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liljoy -> trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 3:37:34 AM)

i'm post this question for a friend that hasn't ever posted her before but will be able to read the responses. How does one over come trust and abandonment issues? she and i have talked about it but as i tend to have the same issues i wasn't really sure what to tell her except to make friends first. she said that she has made Friends with Doms in the past but that when she wasn't willing to play with them they stopped being friends. so what do ya say? help me out all ya good advice givers, please?
lil_joy




bandit25 -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 4:26:50 AM)

At the risk of sounding insensitive, I think "most" doms are looking for someone to play with.  If your friend doesn't want to play with the doms she's met, then they are, most likely, going to move on to someone else who will want to play with them.  I can't really see this as an abandonment issue.  Exactly what is her problem?  Is she looking for a mentor?  A male friend she can talk over specific issues with?  If that's the case, she needs to be completely upfront in the beginning.  "I'm not looking for a play partner, simply someone to....."  At the very least, those who aren't interested in making friends will move on quickly.




liljoy -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 4:29:40 AM)

ahh but how many folks want to play with someone they don't trust? It's a catch 22

quote:

ORIGINAL: bandit25

At the risk of sounding insensitive, I think "most" doms are looking for someone to play with.  If your friend doesn't want to play with the doms she's met, then they are, most likely, going to move on to someone else who will want to play with them.  I can't really see this as an abandonment issue.  They probably weren't friends to begin with.  I wouldn't worry about it.




bandit25 -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 4:35:16 AM)

Perhaps I misunderstood.  I got the impression that she met these Doms with no intention of playing with them.  If that's the case, then I stand by what I said.

If she is looking for a partner (and I don't just mean a play partner), then she's going to find the same thing here that she would if she were looking anywhere.  What I mean is, if she meets a man who is interested in her romantically and she is not interested in him the same way, why would she expect him to hang around and be friends with her?  He may or he may not.  Again, I don't see it as an abandonment issue.  But maybe I am missing something.





RavenMuse -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 5:00:39 AM)

OK I don't know what the munches are like over there but I will take My experiences in the UK scene to stand as the norm unless someone states otherwise.

Munches are just places to meet and chat with like-minded folks, they are not meat markets and are a great place to make aquaintences and maybe even friends with a shared interest in WIITWD.

There are also meets where the main focus is on munch type interaction but where there is the possibility for some play also, but it is there for those who want to indulge, its fine to, as most do, simply observe whilst chatting away to others.

Two excellent places to network and build confidence. Maybe even partake of low level play if your friend spots someone who seems interesting and competent when playing with others. Most also know of people on both sides of the dynamic who are searching even where they themselves are not. You can judge for yourself how much validity to give their judgement that person X or Y maybe someone worth getting to know with potential for something to develop (Also how much validity to give any 'warnings' of people to stay clear of for one reason or another)

As for building trust. That is upto your friend. If there is no move to risk a little, there is nothing on which to build trust. At some point a chance must be taken, just make sure you don't jump in with both feet unless you are pretty damn sure.

Once you have been badly hurt there is always hesitance and worry about taking that risk again, but fortune favours the brave and if you never try again, you never get what you seek.




Pimpernell -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 5:56:27 AM)

There are 2 parts to this.
1. How do you overcome trust and abandonment issues?
2. Expectations and friendship.

For some people trust and abandonment issues are permanent.  Even in a fully committed relationship when the guy is the most wonderful, trustworthy person ever, you will have these feelings from time to time.  You must understand that and also work to deal with it.  The worst thing is to take it out on him as it will make him withdraw and lead to the very behaviour you are worried about.  There are other ways to deal with it than emotionally abusing him.  I'm not trying to be harsh, but I've dealt with it before and it wasn't pleasant being on the receiving end.

The other issue, is that of "friends".  99.999999% of the time when people start out as friends it won't lead to anything more than that.  Now if the Doms had a busy work schedule, a busy social calendar or lots of friends already, they might not have time for someone who was just going to be friends.  But also making friends is a lot harder than people give credit for.  Making acquaintences is easy and can be easily confused with friendship until the activity that brought you together is no longer there.




meatcleaver -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 6:38:32 AM)

If you are having a relationship based on sexual dynamics, when those dynamics change, someone is going to be dissatisfied. It seems to me at times, a lot of both subs and doms forget the relationship they entered into was based on sexual dynamics and misintepret physical intimacy with emotional intimacy. There is no use complaining about the lack of trust, honesty and integrity, when a relationship is based on something so fickle as sexual desire.

If she can't handle abandonment, she needs to develop a relationship with someone on more solid foundations than just sexual power exchange but the possibility of abandonment is always going to be there. She could consider getting even. Revenge served cold is apparently, a delightful experience.




WhipTheHip -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 6:38:47 AM)

Such wise answers.  What is left for me to say?




amlonging -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 7:35:26 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bandit25

At the risk of sounding insensitive, I think "most" doms are looking for someone to play with.  If your friend doesn't want to play with the doms she's met, then they are, most likely, going to move on to someone else who will want to play with them.  I can't really see this as an abandonment issue.  Exactly what is her problem?  Is she looking for a mentor?  A male friend she can talk over specific issues with?  If that's the case, she needs to be completely upfront in the beginning.  "I'm not looking for a play partner, simply someone to....."  At the very least, those who aren't interested in making friends will move on quickly.


If this is the general consensus...then why the squabble over this  forum        http://www.collarchat.com/m_132954/mpage_1/key_/tm.htm         long ago  DOMS DONT DO RELATIONSHIPS FIRST ?????




LaTigresse -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 7:48:47 AM)

I have never had abandonment fears but I have HUGE trust issues. I don't believe there is anyone I have ever trusted 100% on all levels, at least not since I was a young child.




amlonging -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 7:49:08 AM)


Liljoy, I'd like to answer your question from a personal perspective and give my opinion.Trust and abandonment issues do not arise from a Dom sub introduction and I do not believe arise from the potential to play...remember, my perspective and opinion.... trust and abandonment is an issue that arises way before one is an adult.There is a psychological condition known as "attachment separation" esp when children are adopted or go into foster care... it is based upon abandonment and trust.There are many PTSD's based upon trust and abandonment.  To say it is part of WIITWD and the prospect to play is to belittle the person who has these issues...they can be severe or not so severe.  Your friend and others need to find out the source of these issues and work through those issues.I am NOT one to advocate a public mental health therapist...but I do advocate anyone to find a good therapist that they learn to trust, one that will work with them on finances (if no insurance) and one who specializes in trust and abandonment issues.  Finding the right therapist is like finding the right Dom or sub, but someone who can seriously help an individual get to the core of these issues is vital to good adult development and strong long term relationships.




juliaoceania -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 8:31:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: liljoy

i'm post this question for a friend that hasn't ever posted her before but will be able to read the responses. How does one over come trust and abandonment issues? she and i have talked about it but as i tend to have the same issues i wasn't really sure what to tell her except to make friends first. she said that she has made Friends with Doms in the past but that when she wasn't willing to play with them they stopped being friends. so what do ya say? help me out all ya good advice givers, please?
lil_joy


I have abandonment issues, many people do. I would first let your friend know she isn't alone in that. Also, it is always a good thing when a dom outs himself as someone that isn't that steady of a person by not accepting friendship first. It is not as if she expects them not to date or play with others, so I would think that it shows that she is being bright in making them show whether or not they can be trusted. The right one won't behave like this.

We shouldn't trust anyone too quickly, and people will show their character for what it truly is as time goes by. As someone with these issues it usually takes the right person that understands these feelings and knows that trust must be built to overcome these insecurities. People involved with Ds always spew how important trust is, and then the very doms/subs that rant about this are the same ones that shouldn't be trusted, because all relationships require trust and respect, not just Ds relationships.I often feel that certain doms I have spoken to have this attitude that submissives should trust them, because they are magically more trustworthy because of their "domly" status... this is horseshit, and Ds is no shortcut to developing trust.

In the final analysis, I would let your friend know that when the right person comes along that understands her and cares for her and is willing and able to take the time for her, she will know. It won't be that she will never have a doubt about this person, or that all her trust issues will magically disappear, but she will feel free to talk about it in an open way and to address it in an open way...

I wish your friend luck




behindmirrors -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 9:01:18 AM)

I agree a lot with what has been said- especially that usually trust and abandonment issues begin well before adulthood. I've had them, I've dealt with them, and it's not always easy.

In my experience, it took me years to feel ready to get into even a serious vanilla relationship. When I did, I warmed up to him slowly, and have ended up being able to trust him as my Dom in the end (I got lucky, finding a kinky guy who I thought was vanilla, haha- when I told him my kink fantasies, he was all too happy to oblidge!). I sought therapy for a few years prior, and it did do some good- at least I would give someone the chance. May not be a bad idea to work through some of those issues ahead of time on your own before you jump into something as demanding of trust as being submissive to someone, as I see it.

Good luck to your friend. I hope she finds someone she can trust and have some kinky fun with!




JessieMe -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 9:10:15 AM)

I dont know if this fits here but I received this website on another email list group and thought I would share. Perhaps it will help you and your friend with things to think about / discuss.

http://www.aslavesheart.com/subscorner/acidtest.html




AShadowsEmbrace -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 10:21:02 AM)

I think we all have abandonment issues in one form or another. But, I also think (now don't beat me up on this, k?, lol) I think that many confuse bdsm play with D/s (ducking).  It comes down to really having a good understanding of what it is that you want and need and not settling for less. I remember that when I was new, I was so excited and happy to finally have a name for what i was and to be meeting folks with similar interests that I was very tempted to enter into "play" just for the experience. But thankfully, I knew myself better and knew that a casual encounter would not make me happy or meet my needs. I mean after all, If i have a deep need to serve and please, I could hardly satisfy that need with a string of play dates.  Don't get me wrong, I am not judging those who enjoy casual play at all. But if one seeks the close bond of a D/s relationship (which to me makes the kink oh so much better), then they should wait until someone comes along that has the same mindset. Anywho, that's my story....  :)**




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 10:26:04 AM)

http://www.collarchat.com/m_48957/mpage_1/key_trust/tm.htm#48957
trust betrayed by master

http://www.collarchat.com/m_96129/mpage_1/key_trust/tm.htm#96129
will I ever trust a man again

http://www.collarchat.com/m_329482/mpage_1/key_trust/tm.htm#329482
learning to trust again after being hurt

http://www.collarchat.com/m_346651/mpage_1/key_trust/tm.htm#346651
how do you deal with broken trust?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_398537/mpage_1/key_trust/tm.htm#398537
trust...how to mend when it is broken





Noah -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 11:19:16 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: WhipTheHip

Such wise answers.  What is left for me to say?



You'll think of something.




AnAtlantaDom -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 11:21:48 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: JessieMe

I dont know if this fits here but I received this website on another email list group and thought I would share. Perhaps it will help you and your friend with things to think about / discuss.

http://www.aslavesheart.com/subscorner/acidtest.html


Damn Jessie, you stole my thunder <W>  I think that is an excellent web site in general!!




KnightofMists -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 12:43:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: liljoy

i'm post this question for a friend that hasn't ever posted her before but will be able to read the responses. How does one over come trust and abandonment issues? she and i have talked about it but as i tend to have the same issues i wasn't really sure what to tell her except to make friends first. she said that she has made Friends with Doms in the past but that when she wasn't willing to play with them they stopped being friends. so what do ya say? help me out all ya good advice givers, please?
lil_joy


I think it is important to accept and appreciate that there is an inherent risk in a relationships.  It takes two to make a choice to continue and grow a relationship but it only takes one individual to choose to end a relationship.  Abandoment issues are largely rooted in this inherent risk that where realized for individuals in their past.  These abandoment issues will also be increased by weak self-esteem and confidence issues.  These same weak self-esteem and confidence issues make the inherent risk of relationship to be maginified and increase the abandoment concerns.  We can not just take the risk out of relationships, but we can minimize that risk.  We can minimize it to a point that the risk doesn't push bottoms to ones abandoment concerns.

In order to avoid increasing the aniexty and abandoment concerns, one should invest emotionally and physically at a pace that is comfortable for them.  Don't invest more that you can afford to lose.  This is where "Trust" comes into the equation.  Trust is that gut instinct that you get within you.  It is the conscious choice you make towards anothers intentions as well as the risk you are putting yourself in by being in a relationship with them.  You will either feel a state of trust and accept the risk or you will feel nervous and concern with increased aniexty and issues of abandonment. 

It will take time and a pace that is comfortable for yourself and The relationship.  Each person in the relationship has a desired pace in building that trust.  To slow or To fast is not going to be good for the relationship or oneself.  Therefore, finding compatiable partner(s) is a rather important aspect in minimizing the inherent risks associate with a relationship.  Not only compatiable partners but realistic expectations of each other and oneself.  You need to be on that same page together as you build that relationship and invest in it.




DoctorDubious -> RE: trust and abandonment issues (8/13/2006 2:11:19 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: liljoy

i'm post this question for a friend that hasn't ever posted her before but will be able to read the responses.

How does one over come trust and abandonment issues?

she and i have talked about it but as i tend to have the same issues i wasn't really sure what to tell her except to make friends first.

she said that she has made Friends with Doms in the past but that when she wasn't willing to play with them they stopped being friends. so what do ya say? help me out all ya good advice givers, please?
lil_joy



Hey liljoy... and all


>>How does one over come trust and abandonment issues?

There is a very real danger in
emphasizing personal history, and past traumas,
when we are trying to change, heal, grow, and develop as humans.

Thats where so many the-rapists get it so very wrong.
Have you noticed all the comments, both kind and rude,
that put the "blame" on shit because of a past event.... right in this forum?
MyGawd, sometimes it feels like www.solicitious-social-worker-central.com.

When our emphasis is on the past,
trusting and mis-trusting souls both miss the only place
where growth and change occur, which is to say, present actions.

The only place ....

And, behaviour ... the stuff you actually do...
gets misinterpreted  as less relevant than our feelings.

************************

>>she and i have talked about it

Our feelings and emotions will ebb and flow and change,
and are virtually immune to "willing" them to change,
or "talking" them into submission....

Have the feelings, acknowledge em,
and then just do what has to be done.... ya know..
It's not what ya feel that makes relationships work, it's what ya do.

And, it's not what ya feel that makes relationships appear in your life...
.... that too... is what you do.

Act differently in the world,
regardless of the feelings.....
and the world will be a little... just a little ... different.

DD....
PS... I'm NOT sayin' that it's easy, just that it works.
The Journey

One day you finally knew
what you had to do, and began,
though the voices around you
kept shouting
their bad advice--
though the whole house
began to tremble
and you felt the old tug
at your ankles.
"Mend my life!"
each voice cried.

But you didn't stop.
You knew what you had to do,
though the wind pried
with its stiff fingers
at the very foundations,
though their melancholy
was terrible.

It was already late
enough, and a wild night,
and the road full of fallen
branches and stones.

But little by little,
as you left their voices behind,
the stars began to burn
through the sheets of clouds,
and there was a new voice
which you slowly
recognized as your own,
that kept you company
as you strode deeper and deeper
into the world,
determined to do
the only thing you could do--
determined to save
the only life you could save.
 




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