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. However the attitude you present (Note AN attitude and reacted to as 'IF a girl of Mine had that attitude', not a statement of "You are a bad sub" or "You HAVE that attutude") is one of looking for ways to manipulate and undermine the control. Turning it into some kind of silly game, a contest, a battle of wills, not a relationship with both partys building toward the same goal.
That attitude I present? Is that not making assumptions about me? Its one of "looking for ways to maniupulate".???? Did you not just make a statement about my personal attitude? Based on something I said???? The problem is you are talking about an attitude but you are using my sentence to represent this attitude that you speak of, and your interpretation is incorrect. Yet you still continue to use words like "deceit" in response to my statement that youre supposedly not talking about. I tried to suggest maybe asking me what I mean before using my comment as the stepping stone for your own soapbox, but you just continue to blindly grind your heels in. Now, I know you dont care because you already stated that, but just on the off chance that you respond for a fourth time to something you dont care about , I'll explain myself.
First of all, I spoke figuratively, which sometimes is a bad idea, because everyone's visuals vary. Your hair line crack is "weakness", my hairline crack is "softness". I do not equate the two. Secondly, the word "manipulation". I notice that you use the word manipulation as if it's a bad word. In my world, manipulation is only bad if deceit, and mal-intent are involved. Manipulation is just a word for cause and effect as far as I see it. If I want my dominant to be proud of me, and I do something or act a certain way that will cause him to feel that way, is that manipulation? In my mind, it is. Is it wrong? No. Its inadvertant maybe, or done sometimes instinctively, but its still manipulation.. If I were to manipulate a reaction by behaving in a disingenous way, it would still be manipulation of course, but then it would be a manipulation of a dishonorable kind. I think anytime we do something to cause another person to feel or react a certain way (good or bad ) we have become successful manipulators on one level or another. Its all about whether or not we acted with honor or with deceit that shows a person's character. The problem here is that Raven and Passion have taken a single sentence which strikes a chord inside them because of what there own experiences have been, they separated it from my train of thought and from the context of the OP, and then they took it to their own personal heights all by themselves. And from that one sentence two complete strangers think theyre familiar with me and/or my submission. So much so that they each quote my statement and speak to me about what a shit I am and how "id be out the door". Dude, I wouldnt be in your door to begin with. (Though I tried to just be humorous, rather than argue it) Aileen, in her OP, did not ask for anyone's relationship motto. My line was not some 'rule' I live by in a relationship, as you have assumed it was. Aileen spoke to a specific type; one who wont hear anything or wont 'sway' as she put it.....
Perhaps her post was coming from a different place. But when I read what she wrote this was where it took me. ....as far as my comment...... A hairline crack to me is not "weakness". I dont seek out the weak and I certainly would not surround myself with someone that I consider to be weak, especially not a dominant. The 'hairline crack' is the place where I can touch an otherwise stringent person. I am exclusively drawn to harsh motherfuckers. I like cold men. I like the challenge they present. I like dancing around their perimeters and tip toeing around the edges of the ice, and looking for a "hairline crack", which to me is the tiny little place that I find, and struggle to get to, where I can slightly warm the otherwise coldness that I so cherish. Its my way of knowing that I have an effect on this person that I have chosen to set my attention on. If you recall I spoke about 'stubborn' men right before I made the 'hairline' crack comment. And yes, I like to find that spot inside them; that point at which I can "wiggle in" and get a laugh, or break through the hard exterior. Its that place where I can reach someone who isnt easily reached, if only momentarily. Whether it means looking at them in a way that makes them respond, or speaking to them a certain way, changing to a certain tone, finding out what touches them or makes them laugh, throwing myself at their feet a certain way, or whatever, its like figuring out the way inside. I have never not succeeded. hence the "they all have it" part of my sentence. I do not harbor this as something deceptive. I do not see this as "game playing". It feels like something very special to me. I love to work for it, crawl for it and struggle for it and finally reach it. I am not a liar, I do not seek to undermine a dominant that I am in submission to. I dont look for a weakness and "take advantage" of it. I am not a "game player". I am not "bratty". I am not 'deceitful'. Those were all your (Raven and Passions) assumptions and accusations. I can understand that stuff crossing someone's mind when they read the comment. But I cant understand coming down on a person without first clarifying my meaning and running on and on with it, as if you know who I am or what my 'attitude' is.
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