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"No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:09:18 AM

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Fact or fiction? Where does 'no limits' (assuming such exists) stop being simply BDSM, M/s or D/s and become out and out abuse? i am not trying to start a flame war, here... i truly want to know what others think.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:10:01 AM

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Fact or fiction? Where does 'no limits' (assuming such exists) stop being simply BDSM, M/s or D/s and become out and out abuse? i am not trying to start a flame war, here... i truly want to know what others think.

When the owner is abusive.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:15:23 AM

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I am going to answer from the prospectve of an owner.
My girl would most probably tell you that she has no limits when it comes to what she would do for me. However, while she may hold by this, it is not something that I hold to.
My own personal opinion is that everyone has limits; and sooner or later, those limits are going to show themselves.
( limits, in my eyes, do not just cover physical. There are also emotional and mental limits that could be discussed)

Again though, I want to stress that this is ONLY MY opinion.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:16:29 AM

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In my definition, when what's happening ceases to be healthy. I can be beaten till I'm black and blue from head to foot, but if my head is in the right place, it's good. I can be loved and humiliated, but if I am genuinely hurt and begin to internalize the humiliation to the point of it negatively impacting my life, then it's not good.

That's my criteria. Might not be that way for others.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:17:23 AM

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Let's say it isn't fiction... that there are no limit slaves. (Not my opinion, but for the sake of argument)

That means NO LIMITS. Right? So, you and I might think it abuse, but the slave has willingly given themselves over, right? If the slave and dominant don't think it is abuse, does anyone else have the right to override their wishes?

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:19:12 AM

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I am going to answer from the prospectve of an owner.
My girl would most probably tell you that she has no limits when it comes to what she would do for me. However, while she may hold by this, it is not something that I hold to.
My own personal opinion is that everyone has limits; and sooner or later, those limits are going to show themselves.
( limits, in my eyes, do not just cover physical. There are also emotional and mental limits that could be discussed)

Again though, I want to stress that this is ONLY MY opinion.

imo... then she does have limits... she has YOUR limits...

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:19:23 AM

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Well, I think "no limits" is a bit of an invitation, but I think we all have limits one way or the other. If it simply indicates that any activity is acceptable by the "no limits' person, so be it. Clearly, what the Owner/Master chooses to do prescribes the limits in that case. If they want to be abusive (a social/personally derived definition), than HOW they choose to be abusive is again a personal choice. Some people are way more responsible and experienced than others.

I cannot imagine a truly "no llimits" slave being willing to let anyone, especially an inexperienced Master use them. That would just be profoundly foolish.

I have never found a sub or slave with no limits, but maybe I'm just not looking hard enough!

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:20:02 AM

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No.

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If the slave and dominant don't think it is abuse, does anyone else have the right to override their wishes?

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:22:06 AM

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Let's say it isn't fiction... that there are no limit slaves. (Not my opinion, but for the sake of argument)

That means NO LIMITS. Right? So, you and I might think it abuse, but the slave has willingly given themselves over, right? If the slave and dominant don't think it is abuse, does anyone else have the right to override their wishes?

absolutely if they, as a "No Limit" couple want to do damage to me or mine... you bet it's my job... it's my job if i see these "No Limit" couples wanting to do damage to any third arbitrary person or thing...

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:22:17 AM

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When the owner is abusive.

In most cases i'd say it's when the submissive/slave sees it as abuse. There are cases, of course, when what the outside world sees as abusive those in the relationship don't see it as such. I agree that it can also be when certain things actually hurt the psyche of either party. All in all, i think it can be a very fine line couples have to walk, with each partner being responsible for themselves and their partners.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:22:43 AM

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I'd have to believe that someone truly had no limits. I've said it before and will say it again. I don't believe that absolutes exist in human relationships or in human beings. To me its those who sit comfortably in relationships with someone who has the exact limits they have that tend to say they have no limits.

At what point does abuse begin? Its when that person feels abused.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:23:45 AM

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No.

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If the slave and dominant don't think it is abuse, does anyone else have the right to override their wishes?

Echoes....echoes....echoes...echoes...

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:24:13 AM

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Another possibility is that the slave has heard from his/her Master/Mistress what 'their' limits are, what boundaries 'they' won't cross, and agrees.

In the case of SM (painplay), then they do need to be prepared for some potential unpleasantness (more than they think they can handle), but in either an M/s and/or SM context their trust factor for their Master/Mistress allows for such.

I think this type of person (no limits slave) is such because they are already so 'in tune' with their partner. More to the point, the Master/Mistress is so in tune with the slave.

Can things change? After a fashion. Their tolerances can expand, because their internal thought process and 'rules' (I will not break) predicate that there is no 'out'.

Just my take,
Jeff

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:25:17 AM

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think of the most extreme thing you can possibly think of (whether you would actually do it or ask it to be done)..... if it is inconceivable to you... it is a limit..

~sigh~ i hope i am making sense here...

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:25:28 AM

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Fact or fiction? Where does 'no limits' (assuming such exists) stop being simply BDSM, M/s or D/s and become out and out abuse? i am not trying to start a flame war, here... i truly want to know what others think.

When the Well-being of the person is less than what it was when it began.

I believe an intimate relationship between two or more should be a growing and enhancing relationship and that one's personal power and Well-being will increase not decrease.

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:25:45 AM

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That's not what he was asking.

Why do so many people see "no-limits" couples as a threat to THEMSELVES? It's bizarre.

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absolutely if they, as a "No Limit" couple want to do damage to me or mine... you bet it's my job... it's my job if i see these "No Limit" couples wanting to do damage to any third arbitrary person or thing...

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:27:30 AM

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My boy has a few limits that are temporary. While we are still in the initial stages of our relationship, but as we grow togther he has already told me tey wont be permanent. After he is collared and moved in, I wil set his limits. But he will stil HAVE limits. I dont consider it possible to be a no limits slave. I do believe tat you can theoreticaly not know what your limits are, but there is a point where everyone has something. The thing is whetehr or not you are wiling to tel your owner that you have reached one, or if you are willing to ignore your own limits in order not to disturb the relationship. I do know that initialy, my boy was not thriled about having to come out and tel me about his limits becasue he thought I would take him less seriously as a slave for them.
So theres the question. How many slaves try and "sell" themselves as no limit becasue they think thats what wil get them their sought after positions even if they do not truly believe they are no limit. Also, when you have little to no realtime experience, how exactly do you know what limits you do and dont have if youve never tried things?
DV

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:27:47 AM

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Let's say it isn't fiction... that there are no limit slaves. (Not my opinion, but for the sake of argument)

That means NO LIMITS. Right? So, you and I might think it abuse, but the slave has willingly given themselves over, right? If the slave and dominant don't think it is abuse, does anyone else have the right to override their wishes?

absolutely if they, as a "No Limit" couple want to do damage to me or mine... you bet it's my job... it's my job if i see these "No Limit" couples wanting to do damage to any third arbitrary person or thing...

I didn't mean anything about a third party, though. Master and slave, period.

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Fake the heat and scratch the itch
Skinned up knees and salty lips
Let go it's harder holding on
One more trip and I'll be gone

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:28:51 AM

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No.

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If the slave and dominant don't think it is abuse, does anyone else have the right to override their wishes?

Echoes....echoes....echoes...echoes...

LOL owned

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Fake the heat and scratch the itch
Skinned up knees and salty lips
Let go it's harder holding on
One more trip and I'll be gone

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RE: "No Limits Slave" - 9/4/2006 11:30:23 AM

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This is usually a circular argument, cultivated by paraniod personalities over things they have no business with interfering in. I really don't care all that much what other individuals care to do with each other. I mind my own shop, that is my area of control and expertise.

If they stay it is a choice, if they want out, that's another.

The ultimate limit is death. And none of us will escape it.

To say that ANY human being is "limitless", in light of this morbid fact is simply ludicrous.

< Message edited by Homestead -- 9/4/2006 11:32:40 AM >

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