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nella -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/13/2005 6:10:36 PM)
Oh thanks Mark and beth.

MrThorns -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/13/2005 9:20:32 PM)
Mindfucks...yum. I have read all the posts and have found some very interesting arguments on both sides of the fence. I'm of the school of thought that trust is not built or lost in one occassion. Building trust in a relationship requires time and consistency. Losing trust also requires some consistant behavior, don't you think? I know that we all have some "deal breakers", but keeping those particulars as the exception...would you really leave a relationship simply because you were afraid? That's what a mindfuck is, isn't it? Causing fear? Confusion? Making her watch you sharpen a blade on a strap, then dragging a butterknife across her back...thats fear and confusion. Holding a candle over her as you drip icewater on her nipples...the sensation is contrary to what her other senses are telling her. That sensation produces more confusion and fear. I see those two sensations as just another toy in my arsenal. So again, would you walk away because you were afraid? If the mindfuck went according to plan and you walked away unscathed...(Unless you're playing with car batteries and they happen to explode...) would you leave the relationship? Even though this person promised you that they would not harm you? Were you harmed by this mindfuckery? Or were your simply afraid? I think trust could definately be lost if you are in a relationship that is founded on mindfucks. It's chaotic. You cannot believe anything you are being told. Its hard to try and establish real trust in that kind of environment. The occasional mindfuck, in my opinion, is good for some relationships. Fear is good for the soul. "If a man has no fear...he needs more humility." I won't go so far as to say that those who don't push limits are lesser players, but I will say that I think those limits do need to be nudged from time to time. I think mindfucks are great, but like everything else, there is a time and a place for everything. I know this is a bit scattered...but it's late..and I'm cranky. ~Thorns

willing2serve -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/13/2005 10:10:15 PM)
quote: I'm of the school of thought that trust is not built or lost in one occassion. Building trust in a relationship requires time and consistency. Losing trust also requires some consistant behavior, don't you think? Very wise MrThorns! Respectfully, Willing2serve1

Samizdat -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/14/2005 12:26:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: perverseangelic quote: ORIGINAL: Samizdat Kindly, where would one find here a more serious, and ssc discussion of S&m? Because, my friend, the opening post of this thread is comic book material, not serious practitionership. (just a note, not everyone on here does SSC [:)] ) Oh? I'm flexible... squick

perverseangelic -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/14/2005 9:35:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Samizdat Oh? I'm flexible... squick What's up with the squickyness? There's nothing wrong with choosing not to abide by or use a catch-prhase. I hate the word "sane" and the way SSC seems to be this mindless mantra. The idea behind it is great, but I've seen that people who supposedly use it do just as many crazy or abusive things as individuals who simply share mutual trust and consideration with their partner or partners. The idea of SSC? Well, for the most part I could agree with it. However, the phrase itself doesn't do it for me, and I choose not to ascribe to the connotations that it carries.

Samizdat -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/14/2005 10:13:07 AM)
perverseangelic: "squick" means to have sex with a hole drilled in the skull (mindfuck, get it?). You know, one of those non-ssc practices. See link here for my daily Gorean Journal.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/14/2005 10:23:45 AM)
quote: Losing trust also requires some consistant behavior, don't you think? Mr Thorns - Absolutely NOT. Trust requires consistant behavior. It only takes one instance to lose it. Again - ALL of this is under my personal definition of relationship, and my particular definition of Master / slave. Under those, Trust is mutual, like a weaved blanket, built one thread at a time, it becomes something that you can wrap yourself in; warm, comforting, secure. It only takes one rip, or pull on a loss thread to destroy it. I know it's not politically correct but I don't give people second chances. I used to, quite often. Over time I've come to observe that people ultimately revert to their true selfs. You can pretend for extended periods of time, putting your 'best behavior' on display in order to please another person or group. But it's difficult not to be you. Overtime even the best 'actor' reverts. Often it comes with an excuse like, "I was tired", "I wasn't feeling well", "I was just kidding", or "I didn't mean it." But the reality is, you are seeing reality. And people are usually consistent. Sooner or later another tread is pulled and Trust again is in doubt. Why put yourself through that? You can easily become as jaded and emotionally dead as the poster of the "Article on Power and Relationships". Why let yourself get to that point. Why wonder the rest of your life when the next breach of Trust will occur? Even if it doesn't, I wouldn't want that doubt as part of my relationship. I'd rather end it, instead of evolving into a relationship where two people sit quietly in the dark watching TV wondering what happened to them.

stef -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/14/2005 11:01:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Samizdat perverseangelic: "squick" means to have sex with a hole drilled in the skull (mindfuck, get it?). Not quite. The term was originally coined in the usenet newsgroup alt.sex.bondage, long before it turned into spamland. From STella, the individual that is reponsible for unleashing this word on the usenet masses: "'Squick' is the sound a kitten makes when it nurses on your armpit hair. I wanted a word that meant 'something that pushes a button you didn't know was there... And a friend told me of waking up screaming 'The kittens are SQUICKING me!' and so it goes." The brilliant minds in alt.tasteless came up with the 'brain fucking' definition after arguing for several days over what the intended meaning of the word was. Aparrently the original meaning wasn't, well, tasteless enough for them. ~stef

perverseangelic -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/14/2005 11:18:26 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Samizdat perverseangelic: "squick" means to have sex with a hole drilled in the skull (mindfuck, get it?). You know, one of those non-ssc practices. See link here for my daily Gorean Journal. In modern internet parlance it also means "to be made uncomfortable by something." As in "the idea of having sex with Tommy really squicks me." EDIT: And yeah, what Stef said. Thanks for doing the research! I was too lazy to cite what I was saying. :)

Samizdat -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/14/2005 11:24:04 AM)
sfgrrl: Thanks for clarification. Tastefulness, though, is a very subjective critter. perverseangelic: Thank you also for input; I came in late with this edit. Know any good forensic sculptors? I'd pay good money to have a near-perfect bust of my slave, that I might "have my way" with as she looked on, preferably while completely restrained and with the heat and smell of the drill motor nearby. Link here for my Gorean Journal. Today's topic: creating a distinct, complete Gorean language to supplant English.

stef -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/14/2005 11:30:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Samizdat sfgrrl: Thanks for clarification. Tastefulness, though, is a very subjective critter. It certainly is, and you're welcome. quote: Know any good forensic sculptors? I'd pay good money to have a near-perfect bust of my slave, that I might "have my way" with as she looked on, preferably while completely restrained and with the heat and smell of the drill motor nearby. Depending on what material you're looking for, the folks at realdoll might be willing to help you out. I imagine that it would be quite an expensive endeavor. ~stef

Samizdat -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/14/2005 11:40:24 AM)
Yes, thanks for the realdoll link, I've seen a piece on TV about them. Disturbingly life-like things. The one pictured on their home page has such big hair, I could ruin her, and she'd look none the worse for it! >;} Link here for my Gorean Journal. Today's topic: creating a distinct and complete Gorean language to supplant English.

MrThorns -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/16/2005 8:50:47 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: Losing trust also requires some consistant behavior, don't you think? Mr Thorns - Absolutely NOT. Trust requires consistant behavior. It only takes one instance to lose it. Mercnbeth- I agree with this statement when it comes down to deal-breakers, hard limits, etc.. but if one mistake, one error in judgement, one misaimed stroke of a flogger, or one mindfuck is enough to destroy all trust in a relationship, how stable was that relationship in the first place? I'm sure there are dominants out there who forgot to have a flashlight nearby when the power went out during a scene. I'm sure that someone has lost a handcuff key. I'm sure that someone made a knot too tight and had to wrestle with the knot for a few uncomfortable moments to loosen it. These events, as I see them...are common errors that can happen. One of these instances may cause some uncertainty, but it would probably take a consistent display of ineptitude for trust to be completely lost. ~Thorns

Mercnbeth -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/16/2005 9:59:08 AM)
quote: if one mistake, one error in judgement, one misaimed stroke of a flogger, or one mindfuck is enough to destroy all trust in a relationship, how stable was that relationship in the first place? Thorns, Very stable, until it wasn't. I don't equate a lost flashlight or a poorly aimed flogger stoke in the lost trust category, but I will say that beth would trust me to say "oops!" and maybe even "sorry!".

ProtagonistLily -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/16/2005 11:09:24 AM)
quote: I think that for me, if someone pushed my limits I could never trust them again. If someone didn't push my limits (when I was bottoming) I wouldn't respect them. But maybe that's just me. I bottomed to a particularly sadisitic Top who I grew to crave because he pushed me....by the time we'd started to play regularly, our negotiation process was very minimal. He knew what my hard limits were and never crossed them. But he certainly danced on the edges that's for damned sure. If you haven't experienced the head rush of a true mind fuck, then you may be losing out on a very delicious part of BDSM I was fortunate enough to be exposed to. That exposure has made me a better Top, and for that I'm greatful. And so are the submissives I play with. Lily

pandoravampire -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/19/2005 10:08:18 AM)
I am saddened by the judging of others kinks displayed in this thread. Trust is a subjective, unmeasurable element between two or more people. The rate at which it grows or lessens, is also subjective. People are free to have opinions, but as this thread was explicit "Your best mindfuck as a scene is?" why are those who have no or little experience, chipping in here? You do not have a 'best' mind fuck, as for you, this is not a form of play you wish to experience. If a mindfuck does not get you off, that is perfectly fine. If a mindfuck does it for you, that is perfectly fine. Judging others by your own subjective opinions, is not exactly acceptance of others kinks is it? live and let live. this thread seems to display disrespect for others in many of the posts. I enjoy reading boards like this, it is a place id expect not to be judged. A place i can educate myself on what bdsm has to offer me personally. Now, how likely is someone to post a edgy mind fuck, knowing the reception that awaits here? Not very i should imagine - So im going to dip out on all the delightful tips i may of gathered. How can others, outside of my head, truly say what is ok or not ok for me to consentually practice? I prefer to make my own decisions, based on fact, not anecdotal subjective opinions of people who have little or no experience of the delights of mindfucking. If we all listened to misinformed opinions, we would not have a bdsm lifestyle to seek others within. The hypocrisy alone makes me gag. The difference between bdsm and abuse, is consent. Perhaps the people involved had consented to this? just maybe? did anyone think to enquire before judgement was made? live and let live, each to his/her own and stuff.

ProtagonistLily -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/19/2005 10:23:40 AM)
quote: I'm sure there are dominants out there who forgot to have a flashlight nearby when the power went out during a scene. I'm sure that someone has lost a handcuff key. I'm sure that someone made a knot too tight and had to wrestle with the knot for a few uncomfortable moments to loosen it. These events, as I see them...are common errors that can happen. One of these instances may cause some uncertainty, but it would probably take a consistent display of ineptitude for trust to be completely lost. I totally agree with Thorns here. As technically I am a switch, I some pretty significant experience bottoming to a fairly sadistic local Top. And kids, shit happens....we are all Human...and humans make errors. Once, during a knife scene, he cut me, and it was a pretty good cut. I knew, it was not his intension to cut me like he did, because I knew this man. He was someone I trusted, and too, because of the humility with which he reacted to the mistake, I knew it was not his intention to cut me the way he did. Knifves slip, rope gets moist....errors just happen. Did I play with this Top again? Hell yes, because we had a relationship going into this 'botched scene' that was based on trust, communication and time. One of the things I have learned in my time in the scene is, there are very few absolutes. Those things that are hard limits are one of them. But if I've concented to a scene with a particular Top (and vice versa if I am Topping) I go into it fully aware that everyone concerned is a living, breathing, human being. And sometimes, we just make a mistake. Lily

proudsub -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/19/2005 10:42:10 AM)
quote: why are those who have no or little experience, chipping in here? Because they have an opinion or comment on someone's post. I see nothing wrong with that.[:)]

perverseangelic -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/19/2005 2:22:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pandoravampire I am saddened by the judging of others kinks displayed in this thread. Trust is a subjective, unmeasurable element between two or more people. The rate at which it grows or lessens, is also subjective. People are free to have opinions, but as this thread was explicit "Your best mindfuck as a scene is?" why are those who have no or little experience, chipping in here? You do not have a 'best' mind fuck, as for you, this is not a form of play you wish to experience. I judge others based on how that dynamic or action would relate -to me-. For all but a few acts which I believe to be morally wrong, I state that "this would not work for me becasue" or "this would destroy my trust because" I don't see that that's a problem at all. I am not saying "this act is wrong and you are horrid for doing it." Instead, I am saying "this act would make me feel bad, and I were it done on my my partner and I would have some serious talking to do." Judgements are a natural part of being human. It's how we render those judgemetns that makes it offenseive, IMHO.

Darthbetta -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (1/25/2005 7:07:44 AM)
A story told by a local member at a Munch in a group I belong to: My partner was tied, blindfolded, and had a plastic bag over her head, duct taped to close the neck opening, and 6 inch rubber tube in her mouth for some breath play. Various elements and aspects of spanking, wax, flogging, and other sort of touching went on then I decided I was going to "Cum" and pour it down her tube. Mind you she dislikes the taste of cum, and totaly HATES swallowing. So I Started telling her "Oh.. yea.... I'm going to cum and it is all going to go right in your mouth.. !" She immediately started convulsing and pleading with me, and shaking her head. So I fired her fear up a bit more stroking myself off, and being loud about it with an excessive amount of some lubricant. I groaned and "came" in a dixie cup. I told her I was done and here it comes !... she screamed though her breathing tube and said she was going to spit it back up if I did....... so I told her she better not !... considering it would be all over the inside of the plastic bag on her face. So I said Here it comes ! and i proceeded to pour 2 ounces in her tube. It took all of a second before she Shot the fluid out the breath tube and allover the inside of her face (in the bag mask) like a Whale and exhaling through it's blowhole. A few seconds later, she licked her lips and said .... "eith tashte leik miulk". I bust a gut laughing, and tore the plastic bag mask off her, pulled the tube from her mouth, kissed her, and she started crying with tears of uncontrollable laughter mixxed in. Instead of Semen, I had poured a bit of 2 % milk down the tube, and we both had a huge laugh about it. The final realization that she had ben " HAD" was enough for her to cry with tears of happyness, and laughter, and to realize that her telling me " There is no way you can get me to cry with-out pain" was just realized in her mind as being "bested". TWUE STORY, and there is about 45 people who can all attest to it's validity. The couple who told the story have been together for 18 + years, and are married now.

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