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topcat -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/5/2005 8:25:01 AM)

Midear 'Joy-

as with pain, everyone has a different 'threshold of terror'- a place where 'afraid' becomes 'terrified', and, like a pain threshold, it shifts with time and circumstance.

Some are terrified easily- some are not even terrified by death and some can suspend disbelief easily enough that they can reach that edge while still knowing that, at some level, that they are safe.

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1) If the submissive really beleived even for a lil while that the Dominant would really kill the submissive.


I once did, what was for me, a simple, off-the-cuff scene, but, without my realizing it, the woman I was working with realised that this would be, could be, a good place to get rid of a body, and that, despite having taken every precaution, it still could happen.

It was, for her, a great scene- she later described it as one of the hottest she had ever done- and this was a very experianced edge player. I could tell it was working for her- but I didn't realize, even when she mentioned it, that she was really thinking that I might kill her.

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2) If the Dominant took the submissives deepest fears and used those as a mind fuck.


This I have done- 'anything you say can be used against you' <g>. Sometimes, it is no more than the suggestion that I might, in fact, do something like that- or it might be doing fireplay with someone who is really, really scared of fire. Consider this- if he can take you to theat thing you fear most of all, and make it safe, make it OK-

isn't that a wonderful thing?

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3) Using a traumatic eent that the submissie has lived through as a mindfuck.


Now this is very edgey- even by my thinking! But I have done it, and it has been good, and for the same reasons as the above. What if you can go there, and come back, and this time, make it OK?

There are some betrayals that cannot be borne, some tresspasses that will not be forgiven. But saying that a single 'mindfuck' will destroy trust either means that ones trust is a fleeting thing- or very poorly placed.

Stay warm,
Lawrence



liljoy -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/5/2005 10:49:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: topcat

Midear 'Joy-

as with pain, everyone has a different 'threshold of terror'- a place where 'afraid' becomes 'terrified', and, like a pain threshold, it shifts with time and circumstance.

Some are terrified easily- some are not even terrified by death and some can suspend disbelief easily enough that they can reach that edge while still knowing that, at some level, that they are safe.

Well i can't argue this point but i would wonder about anyone that doesn't fear death. We are kinda wired to survive. There have been many many cases of people doing amazing things to survive.

i'd be inclined to worry about someone that would willingly and without fear consent to the possability of being killed by a Dominant. i'd have to ask why? i'd worry about self esteem issues with that submissive.



I once did, what was for me, a simple, off-the-cuff scene, but, without my realizing it, the woman I was working with realised that this would be, could be, a good place to get rid of a body, and that, despite having taken every precaution, it still could happen.

It was, for her, a great scene- she later described it as one of the hottest she had ever done- and this was a very experianced edge player. I could tell it was working for her- but I didn't realize, even when she mentioned it, that she was really thinking that I might kill her.

i think i remember You posting about this. i recall You didn't make the threat. It seemed to me that it was a mindfuck she kinda did to herself lol.



This I have done- 'anything you say can be used against you' <g>. Sometimes, it is no more than the suggestion that I might, in fact, do something like that- or it might be doing fireplay with someone who is really, really scared of fire. Consider this- if he can take you to theat thing you fear most of all, and make it safe, make it OK-

isn't that a wonderful thing?


There is also the risk that she could become more afraid and hate You for the trauma You put her through. It's a caulculated risk like everything we do. It's bigger than most of our risks.



Now this is very edgey- even by my thinking! But I have done it, and it has been good, and for the same reasons as the above. What if you can go there, and come back, and this time, make it OK?

ahh the reason i'e been told that some rape surviors like rape play. Unfortunatly i am unable to wrap my mind around this nor can most other survivors that i've spoken with. Yes this is edgy. i'd put it as edgy as say breathplay.
Sure the submissive could come through it in better shape but she could aslo be more damaged than before.

i trust Master with everything i am. IF He were to take me to the place of fearing that i'd be raped again. i don't think i could ever trust or forgive Him.

Master knows that i almost didn't survive my rape not so much physically but emotionally. i can't imagine that He would take me emotionally to that place again.

If He did i can't imagine anything that He could say to make up for it. It would be so much bigger than i mislayed strike of a whip or flogger.

There are some betrayals that cannot be borne, some tresspasses that will not be forgiven. But saying that a single 'mindfuck' will destroy trust either means that ones trust is a fleeting thing- or very poorly placed.

Stay warm,
Lawrence



Hmm trying to figure out a way to help You see it as i do.

Ok let's take the elecric play example that started this thread. He said the submissive He wanted to try it on was deathly afraid of electricity. Suppose she was so afraid that she had a heart attack? If she lived through it do You think she would trust Him again?

You see it's not the things You can control that concern me but the things You can't. Sure before doing any kind of scene the Dominant should know the submissie ery well. A fact i think is especially imortant before doing a mindfuck scene. What IF You are wrong though?

What if You do more damage than good? As much as we want to believe that a Dominant is perfect, They are human.
Some mistakes can be fixed by am "I'm sorry" Some i feel cannot.


In a way we are compairing apples and oranges. Your focus is on the what if everything goes right and makes things better?
mine is on but what if it all goes wrong and does damage?


i think both sides are of value and should be looked at. Do You go into any other kind of scene without looking at and planning for things that could go ary? Should this kind of scene be any different?

i think the stakes here are higher because emotional injuries are harder to see and fix than physical ones.

i hold great respect for You and am really not trying to be a pain. i just think that both sides should be looked at. Perhaps not so much for You the Experienced Dominant but for the Newbies.

BTW thanks for this exchange i'm enjoying it.

lil_joy



topcat -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/6/2005 7:55:50 AM)

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Do You go into any other kind of scene without looking at and planning for things that could go ary? Should this kind of scene be any different?


Midear 'Joy,

I really hope that no one thought, from my prior posts on the subject that I go into any scene like this without a lot of forethought, planning, and risk assesment- this is nothing to be cavilier about.

I think the real issue here comes down to trust- I have have created a dynamic where she trusts - as I should- we should be able to go to some scary places, and at the real root level, at the very core of her, no matter how scared she is, she should still know that she is safe with me.

Either I am very good- or very lucky- but I have never destroyed trust by taking someone to the edge. And part of the skillset that a dominant must have is the ability to know how far to go, and one of the skills a submissive must have is to be able to be 'open' enough to be read.

Stay warm,
Lawrence



Darthbetta -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/6/2005 8:01:19 AM)

Either I am very good- or very lucky- but I have never destroyed trust by taking someone to the edge. And part of the skillset that a dominant must have is the ability to know how far to go, and one of the skills a submissive must have is to be able to be 'open' enough to be read. -TOP

THANKYOU !
Took the words right out of my mouth.



ProtagonistLily -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/6/2005 8:22:01 AM)

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Either I am very good- or very lucky- but I have never destroyed trust by taking someone to the edge. And part of the skillset that a dominant must have is the ability to know how far to go, and one of the skills a submissive must have is to be able to be 'open' enough to be read. -TOP

THANKYOU !
Took the words right out of my mouth.


I'm going to pipe in from a 'bottom' perspective here-

My favorite Sadist Top and I built a relationship that included edge play and a lot of mind fuck stuff. Mindfuck can be subtle, or overt. However, if you grow into a play relationship that includes Mind Fucks, and the Top starts to get skittish and they become less frequent and/or intense, that could be the deal breaker more than the edgeplay.

This kind of play won't work between all partners. However, when it does, it does because there's an innate trust that's been established.

My best scenes have been ones that have taken my brain, wrapped it around my ankles and threaded it through the eye of a needle. It is BECAUSE of the trust that a situation like this can manifest itself into safe, and fucking heavenly, delicious, play.

(Note I used the words "built, established, manifest"; these are all words that indicate growth and should be read as just that.)

Lily



MistressDREAD -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/6/2005 8:24:42 AM)

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Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ?


It has been and will always be that which I take great
strides in to perfect and it is a two person stare down.

I know this sounds simple but actually it is quite hard
and to be able to do such for days with out motion is
next to impossible and quite the mindfuck with a slave
whom is intimadated by You even looking at them much
less having to look back at You in Your eyes when on
the average they are not allowed to even look up from
the floor.
Of course if they fail then its the single dripped
water on the forehead torture for them tied hands and
feet and spread eagle tightly in the air across the
slave pit with a single candle burning under their lower
spine just out of reach by the body but ohhhh how that
drip makes the heat of the candle feel like it is RIGHT
THERE ON THE SKIN! drip........drip.......drip.............oohh.




soulreaver67 -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/6/2005 10:17:08 PM)

I never mindfuck a slave as a joke or in any way that might make them think I violated a limit. I may push them trust-wise beyond where they thought they would go-- but *only* because in making that leap of faith, they get a huge and unexpected reward so they immediately see it was completely worth it.

Trust isn't something you "play" with.

SoulReaver
"You Are My Angel of Death, my SoulReaver."-- The Guardian




ShadeDiva -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/6/2005 10:46:40 PM)

As someone that enjoys mind fucks from both sides of the power equation - I think I can say that you aren't playing with someone's trust.

It's sort of like the love of being scared, the thrill, the rush of danger where there IS no danger at all.

We as humans manifest this thrill-seeking danger-chasing rush when we allow ourselves to get on a really killer roller coaster, when we drive fast, when we allow ourselves to get scared by a scary movie, etc.

We *trust* we will survive the experience. We dabble with the concept that we might not when we allow those kinds of experiences to affect us.

Mindfucks are the same exact thing.

They aren't something that will break trust - because it never is a reality. Thus the reason they are called mindfucks. the submissive suspends belief for a time that their dominant would never ever ever do such a thing, much like when one views a scary movie, we suspend the belief that movies and the subject matter in movies can't harm us. Like the Ring for example. Or like how many of us REALLY believed Jason existed? Did Jason flicks scare us or unnerve us a teeny tad when say you are out in the woods and thinking about having sex? I know it did for me and a LOT of us kids, LOL! But did we REALLY believe ol Jason was out there? No.

Some folks don't like edge play for whatever reasons. And that's okay.

But if you don't understand a type of edge play and don't practice that type of edge play then chances are you are trying to comprehend something on a linear level that in some cases, is just not linear.

The concept that mindfucks that are done between two people that actually trust each other and the dominant has a half bit of a clue what they are doing and the submissive is well grounded - and both have an open communication to the level and exteent that allows such a type of edge play to occur, aren't likely to ever have their trust damaged or *played with* in a neagtive sense of the word.

The REAL danger comes from when someone THINKS they know what the fuck they are doing and what road they are traveling down, and they THINK they have a good foundation of trust built and they THINK they have good communication and good grounding, and they *don't*. Or they simply don't use common sense and aren't paying attention or simply do not give a flying fuck.

There is a world of difference between someone like say Lawrence or Suz doing an elaborate hardcore way-beyond-the-edge mindfuck and someone trying to do the same thing that has little or no real life experience, or simply doesn't have the skill to do so, and hasn't really worked at getting the relationship to a point where such an activity isn't going to have a horrid ending. WORLD of difference.

JMO.

~ShadeDiva



liljoy -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/7/2005 6:54:53 AM)

ShadeDiva,
i'm so glad You popped in here and posted. You have a way of explaining things that makes it easier for me to understand.
NOW i at least kinda understand what Topcat was trying to say. Not to take anything away from Him. i just wasn't getting it

thanks
lil_joy


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ORIGINAL: ShadeDiva

As someone that enjoys mind fucks from both sides of the power equation - I think I can say that you aren't playing with someone's trust.

It's sort of like the love of being scared, the thrill, the rush of danger where there IS no danger at all.

We as humans manifest this thrill-seeking danger-chasing rush when we allow ourselves to get on a really killer roller coaster, when we drive fast, when we allow ourselves to get scared by a scary movie, etc.

We *trust* we will survive the experience. We dabble with the concept that we might not when we allow those kinds of experiences to affect us.

Mindfucks are the same exact thing.

They aren't something that will break trust - because it never is a reality. Thus the reason they are called mindfucks. the submissive suspends belief for a time that their dominant would never ever ever do such a thing, much like when one views a scary movie, we suspend the belief that movies and the subject matter in movies can't harm us. Like the Ring for example. Or like how many of us REALLY believed Jason existed? Did Jason flicks scare us or unnerve us a teeny tad when say you are out in the woods and thinking about having sex? I know it did for me and a LOT of us kids, LOL! But did we REALLY believe ol Jason was out there? No.

Some folks don't like edge play for whatever reasons. And that's okay.

But if you don't understand a type of edge play and don't practice that type of edge play then chances are you are trying to comprehend something on a linear level that in some cases, is just not linear.

The concept that mindfucks that are done between two people that actually trust each other and the dominant has a half bit of a clue what they are doing and the submissive is well grounded - and both have an open communication to the level and exteent that allows such a type of edge play to occur, aren't likely to ever have their trust damaged or *played with* in a neagtive sense of the word.

The REAL danger comes from when someone THINKS they know what the fuck they are doing and what road they are traveling down, and they THINK they have a good foundation of trust built and they THINK they have good communication and good grounding, and they *don't*. Or they simply don't use common sense and aren't paying attention or simply do not give a flying fuck.

There is a world of difference between someone like say Lawrence or Suz doing an elaborate hardcore way-beyond-the-edge mindfuck and someone trying to do the same thing that has little or no real life experience, or simply doesn't have the skill to do so, and hasn't really worked at getting the relationship to a point where such an activity isn't going to have a horrid ending. WORLD of difference.

JMO.

~ShadeDiva




DameDarkness -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/7/2005 9:40:32 AM)

The best mindfuck i have done involved what i call is a freeze tank. Its a big tank that has water and tons of ICE in it. I tie and blindfold the sub/slave at that moment leaving only one hand available to place into the tank as a bit of sadistic torture. I keep the sub/slave nude except for their bondage and blinfold and keep them near the tank and keep telling them how nice it would be to have a sub/slave popcicle. while they are near the tank they can feel how cold it is. I have a tendancy to describe in great detail of how long and how they would look coming out. When i emphasize this with the putting of their hand in the tank they cry out and start begging. OH i tell ya its soo delicious to hear that. Eventually I wear myself out talking about it and make them climb the platform to the tank and i untie a foot and put their foot in for a few seconds and they do the same as if it were their hand. Turns me on a bit i will say. Eventually I do satasfy their curiosity of will i or wont i put them in the tank. Either I put them in or I dont. When I come to one I want to put in the tank i tie them to the dunker aka pulley system and push them in.......... giving them quite a cold shock. ~~Warning this is definately something not to do to someone with health problems. SO get that info ahead of time~~ Anyways I only leave them in there a few second and take them out and throw them into a hot shower to warm them up quickly because of hypothermia. Dont want to kill them ya know. But it is most delicious to see them when they squirm and shriek and beg.


Dame Darkness[sm=kiss.gif]



DameDarkness -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/7/2005 9:40:42 AM)

LMAO sfgrrl............good one!

Dame Darkness[sm=kiss.gif]



Darthbetta -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/7/2005 10:06:31 AM)

I actualy had some fun in the snow lastnight. I had a nice roaring fire going in the fire place, and I tossed my nake sub out inthe snow... well actualy I made her walk out and sit in it. When she came in, I told her to dryherself by the fireplace and not to come to me untill every drop of water was dried off of her. she went to get up after a few minutes, and I said to he... "are you 100 % sure you are dry ?.... she paused, and re "squeegied" herself with her hands. We ate dinner.

After dinner we had a nice fuck infront of the fireplace, and then I told my sub (naked and in "belly" position on the floor) I was going to throw hot ashes on her... she said "no you are not....... you don't do fireplay."

OH YEAH well I decided to change my rules......

so I DID. !
I opened up the fire grate, and ran the shovel around on the stone "gathering " ashes.
She had her back to me, so she could not see what I was doing.... only hear...

she writhed and screamed for me not too. As she lie on the floor..... knowing that there was a good chance of burning embers to land on her from the haphazzard shovelfull .

and I DID ! I threw hot ashes on her !

cept it was a bucket of snow I had brought inside when she wasn't looking...


ooooooo the screams !!!!!

oohhhh the screamsss !!!!!


good thing we were out inthe middle of nowhere housesitting and the closest neighbor was 1/4 mile away LMAO...

she sobbed quietly, but realized it was not ashes, but light fluffy snow after she had seen the few handfulls I had thrown on her back splash on the floor alongside of her.

is it wrong ?

NO, it is a form of sadistic play. Now she knows the "FIRE AND ICE" scenario.



panthergoddess -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/7/2005 10:54:30 AM)

I've never really thought about this too much before but I must admit that I would enjoy being mindfucked. the only problem with this is.....welll.......I've never found anyone that can do it effectively. Of course it does not help to not have fear or phobias.

But kudos to those with the actual scenes....I must admit to getting pretty turned on by reading them.



perverseangelic -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/7/2005 11:24:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: liljoy

ShadeDiva,
i'm so glad You popped in here and posted. You have a way of explaining things that makes it easier for me to understand.
NOW i at least kinda understand what Topcat was trying to say. Not to take anything away from Him. i just wasn't getting it

thanks
lil_joy




Seconded. I think I get what people are getting at here. I think I missed the element of "suspended disbelief" and was stuck in the idea that someone would -actually- try to convince their partner that that were breaking "rules" as opposed to both of them opperating within the FICTION of breaking rules.

Kinda like play rape, maybe? You're upholding the illusion of non-consent, or the illusion of "breaking trust"?

That makes sense!!!! :)

It's still do nasty things to me, and I'd still rather it not happen, but I think I understand better now.



ShadeDiva -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/7/2005 5:37:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic
Kinda like play rape, maybe? You're upholding the illusion of non-consent, or the illusion of "breaking trust"?


*Exactly* like that.

There is that rush of adrenaline and relief when you go whew the ride is over! Quite often you want to hop right back on that ride unless it was really physically draining.

Like Darth was saying about the snow and hot ashes thing - if she REALLY thought about it, she'd know he wouldn't really harm her, but when you are in that moment, you tend to be going quickly enough that you get caught up in the scenario - in that illusion.

She cried for a bunch of reasons most likely - relief, releasing all that energy that mindfuck created, and quite often there is something of a drop when it's over, the crying isn't an earmark that it was a bad experience necessarily - just a really intense one for her.

Knowing who you are playing with makes all the difference in the world.

I wouldn't trust many people to mindfuck me - because I don't trust many people to the point that I will allow myself to be that open and vulnerable to. And there is something of a catch 22 here - trusting someone enough to allow yourself to be taken down the darker edges of a mindfuck means either you are really suggestible or that you reaaaaaaally trust that person. This is where the skill comes in.

A skilled top/dominant is capable of getting you to open up to the point where you feel safe enough to suspend the belief they'd never do that - whereas a lesser skilled dominant would most likely not be able to get you to that point. It IS a skill. It is something that not everyone can do with just anyone - and some folks simply do not like it - it gets close to those deeply inset triggers that most of us have.

But some of us like dancing close to those edges - as long as we know we will be back - safe and sound at the end.

And many times it can be very therapeutic, as well as a catalyst. One reason you should really only think of doing this with someone you know well.

The real danger in mindfucks is when someone really new and unskilled views that as a sort of status symbol - thinks that doing heavy mindfucks can be done with anyone - and that ALL the good/badass dominants do them. This is a misconception. NOT doing mindfucks doesn't make someone less of a dominant, is just makes them one that doesn't do them for their own reasons.

But if a new or unskilled person gets it in their head that bad ass dominants fuck with their subs brains - and just hurl themselves at that without thought, consideration, building the foundation of trust, communication, and actually taking the time to really know that person, that's when the ickies can fester and boil over.

But it is no different than a "rape scene" or an "abduction scene" or an "interrogation scene" or "objectification scenarios" when it comes down to the energy it creates and releases and the emotions and dark spaces in us it dabbles with.

Which, if you really think about it, rape/gang rapes, abductions, interrogations, humiliation, etc., really are just various forms of mindfucks presented in different ways.

~ShadeDiva



Alexander -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/8/2005 2:13:05 PM)

My favorite ones are still the visual tricks associated with blindfolds. present an impaling spike, suspend subject over it, blindfold, replace spike with safe object, proceed.

But obviously the very best are the ones made specifically for the girl. Make her tell you her fears and use them weeks later to torment her and sometimes cure her of those fears.



MidnightWriter -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/8/2005 9:02:39 PM)

Probably my best mindfuck was a blindfolded knifeplay scene - I was using my favorite boot knife, which she knows is honed to "will shave hair" sharpness.

After running the edge and pointy tip all over her body, she feels it entering her vagina. She knows that if she cums, the muscle spasms will slice her to shreds. She knows I won't damage her. She knows that this is so damn exciting she wants to cum - but she's too afraid to. She hangs on the edge, too excited to back down, too terrified to orgasm, for almost 10 minutes - at which point, I pull the knife out and try to keep her from bucking entirely off of the bed as she orgasms.

The mindfuck part? Well, a buddy of mine had found one of those plastic "hideaway" blades - fair as a thrust weapon, and will not be found with a scanner, but not exactly sharp - in the same blade shape as my boot dagger. She knew my collection, knew I had nothing of the sort - but I'd managed to borrow it. [:D]



MidnightWriter -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/8/2005 9:03:49 PM)

Oh - playing on thier fears is chancey. Playing on thier desires is HOT.



GrandpaLash -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/9/2005 2:36:13 AM)

I'll avoid the controversy, I think, and just share.

I bought a cutthroat razor not so long back (on E-bay LOL), and used iot to replace the boning knife I had been using for knife play. Mostly, at that time, shaving the dried wax of the appropriate bits of the sub, or running it around sensitive areas. This is with subs who trust me implicitly.

It was a big hit, and with 2 subs, at various times, I experimented with a little bit of minor cutting (discussed), usually a little fleur de lis pattern on the breast, where she could see me cut, feel it, but it was done so lightly that it took 30 seconds or so for the little beads of blood to begin appearing.

Then I bought a Wartemburg wheel - for those not familiar with it, a tool used by neurologists to test nerve function, a moving metal wheel with dozens of sharp little spikes on it that you run down a reflex point or whatever to see if the patient reacts.

The first time I used this on each of those subs, I first introduced the razor in the middle of a flogging, as I often did, did some scary throat-cutting pantomime, then cut the fleur de lis on their breast. Back to the flogging, next toy, then picked up the razor where they could see me, slowly walked around them going 'Hmmmm' ... , got right behind them (and it's so funny watching their heads try to spin around backwards) , and ran the wheel, which I had sitting in warm water, firmly down their backs, both sides of the spine. The warm water dribbled down their backs, and the screams were lots of fun.

Then I took a cloth and wiped down their backs, and went on with the flogging. Didn't tell them till we were in afterplay what I had done.

Funny thing is, they both continued to react to the wheel for months after, even knowing what I was doing. But that's mind fuck for you.

Grandpa



MsCameron -> RE: Your BEST "mindfuck" as a scene is ? (2/9/2005 7:59:17 AM)

I think I may have posted about this one a year ago under another profile. It was called removing hearing, I think.

Anyway, 3 Domme friends and I had made plans to abduct our own submissives. We had everything arranged to use a friends Pro studio.

None of them were told anything, just to get in the car at a specific time.

As we all came from different parts of Ontario, some had an hours drive, some more.

One sub arrived in the trunk, one naked in the back of the car but all had ear plugs, foam rubber over their ears, blindfolded and had their heads completely vet wrapped. They were all bound too.

My drive was really only 15 minutes but I went on the highway and then back through the city again and back on the highway. Even went through a Tim Hortons drive through when I made a wrong turn. Ended up driving for almost an hour :)

When we all arrived at the studio, we let them sit in the cars for 15 minutes as we went in and chatted. Then one by one, they were yanked out of each car and dragged inside. We threw them down on the floor and all of us put our hands all over them. In all there were 5 Dommes and 1 male Dom but 6 pairs of hands can feel like 12 when you're disoriented.

We gave them all a good going over :) All of it.. whipping, paddling, cbt, caning, sexual teasing..whatever we could come up with. As they couldn't hear or see, they had no idea who was there ar how many. All of us made sure we didn't spend too much time with our own because it would seem familiar.

The male Dom left before the blindfolds were removed and I didn't tell my submissive that a male was there until 6 months later. Since then he has been trying to figure out exactly what the male did... and who the hell he was.

Still chuckling :)
MsC




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