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Training - 9/13/2006 7:59:28 AM

Dnomyar

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How much or how long should a submissive or slave go thru training before they are considerd collarable? Velcro collars aside.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:00:55 AM

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Hehehe...i feel LA coming soon with the thread weave on this one...*grin

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:04:06 AM

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All allusions to 'training' aside, what is the definition of collarable? Is it a benchmark? Is it an emotional tie?

And as much as I'm 'guilty' (a bad assessment) of using the word 'training' in my profile, I know what that means to me. But if I see someone that I really wish to be with, then 'collarable' is a very subjective thing. I'm going to do what it takes to make that situation work.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:05:10 AM

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How much or how long should a submissive or slave go thru training before they are considerd collarable?

There is not time table. You have to decide for yourself if you, she and the relationship should take that step. And please be sure to communicate what a collar means to you, there are so many mistakes made when people are not on the same page with the entire collar thing.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:12:05 AM

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It is akin to those who ask "is she wife material?" or "is he husband or daddy material?" same thing... Is she or isn't she sub or slave material for what you seek in a sub/slave, and more importantly, what you seek in another person. Is she/he a person you would like to form a connection with. It depends on what you are looking for. Do you want relationship quality or temporary high mentality. It is the person she/he is in relation to who you are.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:13:40 AM

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To me, committment is a committment regardless of external devices. As with all relationships, it is far easier to begin one than to maintain and/or thrive. Like so many other posts have stated; just spend the time to make sure you are on the same page. Emotions tend to blur realities if not clarified. The rest is up to the individuals who choose to enter a bond. Is it entered with honesty..or are there hidden agendas? There are so many ingrediants we wish manifested in this realm, simply take the time to check the recipe you are about to make.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:15:52 AM

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This will depend on the Master and slave. For my girl, we knew each other for a year. However, I have different collars that have different meanings. Some are rather like trial periods, which, I suppose, could be seen as a velcro kind of collar.

http://geocities.com/master_fire_maam/HouseofFireManual.htm#Collars

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:25:50 AM

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ORIGINAL: raiken
Hehehe...i feel LA coming soon with the thread weave on this one...*grin

LOL I don't know that we've ever had this EXACT question before. We've had questions on how long to be with someone before a collar, but not pinpointing an exact training schedule.

Since most Americans won't collar anyone under 18, they generally have at least 18 years of training under their belt at that point.

For the issue has nothing to do with training since training is a constant and continuous process- as a slave I'd expect to be in training at year 56 as much as I was in year 24. The issue is more whether you feel the training will be fulfilling and towards your purpose.

http://www.collarchat.com/m_248345/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#248345
collar before love

http://www.collarchat.com/m_184946/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#184946
Timeframe for a Collar?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_132702/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#132702
From chat to collar

http://www.collarchat.com/m_124898/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#124898
Wearing training collar in public

http://www.collarchat.com/m_81449/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#81449
What are the collar types/levels please?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_80281/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#80281
When is the right time to collar?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_70392/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#70392
Collars and collaring

http://www.collarchat.com/m_61337/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#61337
Collar conundrum?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_55592/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#55592
Collars when?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_11451/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#11451
Collaring a submissive?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_428/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#428
What is your definition of a training collar?

http://www.collarchat.com/m_402/mpage_1/key_collar/tm.htm#402
Multiple collars or single collar?

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:26:14 AM

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How much or how long should a submissive or slave go thru training before they are considerd collarable?

There are many factors to consider here before this can be answered accurately:

Slave training is very different from submissive training (see the threads about the differences between a submisive and a slave to understand why)
The types of collars you are talking about with the term "collarable" (i.e. training collar, collar of consideration, twue collar)
The training schedule (24/7, part-time or LDR, on-line only, etc)
And the most important factor is your own god-like domliness -- the more of it you have, the less time you need to spend training because the sub will be magically infused with your power and will just know everything without being told

Once you have quantified these factors you just plug the numbers into the standard training formula and you'll have an answer accurate down to the minute.

Hope that helps!

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:29:20 AM

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When the dominant decides. Whether that is after ten minutes of chat online or after ten minutes in person or ten years in real life.

Depends on the two individuals. You'd hope there weren't velcro collars but we also live in reality where the internet birth's then every five minutes.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:33:44 AM

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Ok let's say a true collar. I will have to be more careful on my post. I know it depends on the individual but it dosent happen overnight.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 10:52:00 AM

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Dear Dnomyar, Ladies and Gentlemen;

"True" is as 'true' is it to you, as it won't be for another. The same thing with training. Some are not into rituals, ceremonies, protocols and the like and some love it, need it, thrive on it and maintain it.

Trainable is also subjected to vague standards, as we're dealing with individual relationships instead of a uniformed Corp of individuals; which have a totally different make up, than a cluster of individuals if it is poly or a couple.

Training is 'unfinished' work--whereas, Trained is finished works. I find it interesting when I interact with slaves that claim to be trained. They may have indeed been trained by one person but, the training may not be pleasing to me.

Unless a slave is just as excited about your dreams, goals and relationship, the suitable canidate cannot be expected to stay if they are not as well as understanding 'your' meaning as to what training is.

The best thing is look inward, as to see how your household best pleases you. Advice is fine; opinions are fine but--`tis the Master/Mistress of the house who must be pleased.

As far as collars go, it has been misused and abused in the past. Collars are earned in my time, not purchased on a rack and worn as a style or fetish. To have meaning associated with a collar, it must have meaningful foundations and it must be real and not shallow commitments. Slaves invest in their Masters/Mistresses as much as the investment is from Mistresses/Masters into their slaves. This is a important factor to which, stripping the emotions aside--see what there is worth investing in on both sides.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 11:09:53 AM

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How much or how long should a submissive or slave go thru training before they are considerd collarable? Velcro collars aside.

Just my opinion and method on the matter, but their level of training is not something I particularly consider in deciding about whether to collar. Formal training does not begin until they are collared, informal training usually starts well before that (in the form of them learning little things about me, things that please me, basic do's and don'ts, etc.) as we get to know each other.

Put another way, my decision about whether to collar is based primarily on my estimation of their potential, their commitment, how much I like them as a person, physical attraction, etc. I only consider training in that decision in the form of what previous training they may have had that will be helpful or problematic and also how willing they are to be trained to my preferences.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 1:26:15 PM

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Never worn a collar in my life. But I have had extremely long term relationships. We just didn't need the symbol of a collar to know we were committed to each other.
Of course.. that doesn't mean things ended because I didn't wear a collar.
This is just like nilla. People part when they part. Collars or not, it is a people thing.

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How much or how long should a submissive or slave go thru training before they are considerd collarable? Velcro collars aside.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 2:10:35 PM

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Since we never stop learning, are we ever completely trained? Or when are we trained enough?

I find the more I learn the more I understand how little I really know. So when would we be trained enough? What would be considered a expert to one, may be only a journeyman to another.

A collar is given when she or he is acceptably trained enough for you.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 3:39:41 PM

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OR a collar is given as a symbol that you believe they are acceptably trained by you. Not everyone needs that symbol to feel committed.
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A collar is given when she or he is acceptably trained enough for you.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 4:10:43 PM

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Historically slaves that were trained did not have to wear collars; as they were 'trained' and were not apt to try and run away. Collars were worn during training or punishment.

But, since the advent of the internet Doms/subs - that has changed. So...........if a slave is going to accept a 'collar', then one would suggest not accepting it till you know the Dominant well and have spent significant real time with Him/Her.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 5:52:09 PM

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How much or how long should a submissive or slave go thru training before they are considerd collarable? Velcro collars aside.

When they can balance a ball on the end of their nose and clap their flippers together!

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 5:57:53 PM

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I would say that they are collarable when their training has reached the point where they have enough information to give informed consent. When they know enough about both themselves and the person who's collar they are seeking, and the expectations of the relationship.

Not just the casual knowing the expectations either but rather the internalized knowing in the mind and heart.

When the training has given them that level of knowing then they are ready for that collar. The next relationship will require that they reach that same level of knowledge for that specific relationship, before they are ready for that collar.

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RE: Training - 9/13/2006 8:58:36 PM

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