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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

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I happen to like them. I also like a real manly man as well. If someone doesn't care for something you are.... it is best to find this out early on, accept it & move on. Why waste a lot of time & energy with someone when your likes & dislikes don't match up.

I read a little bit on this thread & I assume that this is the thread that was brought to my attention the other day & I had a nice long talk with someone about.

All I have to say is that everyone has a different energy about them. If your energy & their energy isn't compatible then you are friction & static when you attempt to blend. This doesn't mean that this person is defective or unacceptable by general standards... it just means they are good for you & you shouldn't attempt to chip away at them to see if you can form a fit.

I have had more genetic men who weren't the least bit femme come across as vain & self absorbed. This isn't a behavior that only a CD would express. Most of the CD's I have met truly act demure & go out of their way to be as polite & lady like as they can be while they are in role. Sure there are some who are flamboyant & completely over the top but if this ain't the energy you want or better yet, if this ain't the energy you know how to deal with... don't attempt to do so. You're only going to frustrate yourself as well as this very high energy person.

I truly wish to express to the trans crowd here that there are MANY places for you to talk with others that are like-minded & respect your expressions of self. I would be happy to pass along info to you about this if you contact me on the other side. It is still good to involve yourself in conversations with others who don't know anything about this segment of society as well as your existence in this "lifestyle". It is much like the gay community sharing with the het... exposure & exchanging ideas helps each understand the other... same thing has to happen when the trans-persons mix with the gay & het crowds... over time stereotypes are proved to be inaccurate & with a little understanding.. acceptance will happen easier.

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ORIGINAL: SubNY278

But you are lumping everyone together, because not all CDs put their favorite fetish ahead of everything else.  I certainly don't, but many times it's hard to even get a chance to get that out because the judge has already issued a verdict.  I am not angry or resentful but I do wish people viewed others as individuals and not just as a duplicate copy of a stereotypical group.

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ORIGINAL: SubNY278

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You're basing your belief on your own prejudice as well as what a couple of authors wrote.  I think that;s hardly representative of all other Dommes, let alone subs. 

That, and most dungeons actually do offer cross dressing as one of the things subs can experience.  At least, the dungeons I know, and there are several of them.

Sorry.. wrong.  I KNOW this person personally, I know his history and helped him in his coming out.    I know the problems it created and the benefits.  He's put his own thoughts into books to help others.  So cr*m the "prejudice" cr*p.  Prejudice is based on a pre-conceived notion.  I'm speaking from reality.  Show the "open-mindedness" that you seek.
 
Are these Pro dungeons you speak of or community clubs?
 
BTW.. what have YOU done to help your brethren?

< Message edited by LotusSong -- 9/22/2006 2:48:33 PM >

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ORIGINAL: MstrssPassion

Have you ever considered that not everyone shares your views?

Your views are no more valid than mine.

Even your whole spelling bee thing was narrow minded.

Your views are you own & you are free to express them but it is not your place to force them upon everyone else on this board.

Why not find a thread that you can contribute to in a positive fashion & feel good about what is being said. Nothing good comes from spreading negativity.

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: SubNY278

But you are lumping everyone together, because not all CDs put their favorite fetish ahead of everything else.  I certainly don't, but many times it's hard to even get a chance to get that out because the judge has already issued a verdict.  I am not angry or resentful but I do wish people viewed others as individuals and not just as a duplicate copy of a stereotypical group.

Have you ever considered that some Dommes find cross-dressing an offensive interpretation of how men characterize women?

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: SubNY278

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You're basing your belief on your own prejudice as well as what a couple of authors wrote.  I think that;s hardly representative of all other Dommes, let alone subs. 

That, and most dungeons actually do offer cross dressing as one of the things subs can experience.  At least, the dungeons I know, and there are several of them.

Sorry.. wrong.  I KNOW this person personally, I know his history and helped him in his coming out.    I know the problems it created and the benefits.  He's put his own thoughts into books to help others.  So cr*m the "prejudice" cr*p.  Prejudice is based on a pre-conceived notion.  I'm speaking from reality.  Show the "open-mindedness" that you seek.
 
Are these Pro dungeons you speak of or community clubs?
 
BTW.. what have YOU done to help your brethren?

OK, and based on one person, you made a judgment that encompasses others?  Reality isn't one experience with one person.  If all individuals were the same there would be no point for sites like these, since every male and every female would be just as good as each other.

And yes, I was talking about pro dungeons, with pro Dommes...many of those including two that I have visited, offered crossdressing, forced fem and all sorts of other related things.

What difference does it make what I've done for my brethren?  I don't see where that fits in to this discussion.


< Message edited by SubNY278 -- 9/22/2006 4:10:56 PM >

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ORIGINAL: SubNY278

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Am I the only one that doesn't really see the connection between D/sBDSM and cross dressing?  I never have.
D=Dominance
S=Submission
B=Bondage
D=Discipline
S=Sadism
M=Masochism
 
Nope.. I don't see "cross dressing" in that Alphabet soup.   This is why I'm so surprised to see them wanting to become involved in it.  A masochistic/dominant or submissive.. I can see.  There is an interest in the activities. But to get upset because we might not wish to relate to the cross-dressing behavior because we enjoy mind control, flogging, needle play or whatever.. is misplaced.  Do you feel the same way about Male Dominants?  There are some that play with CD's also.. but the CD has to have an interest in what the DOM/ME likes also.
 
I think you are genuflecting in the Synagogue.. Right church- wrong pew?
 
Have you tried groups like Tri-S?  (I believe that is how it's spelled)
 
You know what I'M tired of? The "If you are a Domme you have to like EVERYTHING!"  I think most of us have opened out minds to cross-dressers and just not found it to our liking is all.
 
The one transvestite I LOVE is Eddie Izzard.  He's one dapper dresser, but just acts like a regular guy.  THAT'S what is appealing to me.  He's not TRYING to feign a woman's persona. 
 
 

Well I don't see needle play or flogging in the alphabet soup either, but for many Dommes and subs that's acceptable.  So why not crossdressing, for subs and Dommes who genuinely enjoy it?

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ORIGINAL: SubNY278

What I think is unfortunate is that there are so many so-called "subs" out there that do things like sending those e-mails writing "you're hot" and that gives a bad reputation to all subs.  It makes the search even harder for a genuine, serious male submissive when they have to put up with preconceptions which other males are partially responsible for.