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solvr70 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 3:42:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: Unrepentant1

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

If there was ever a great subject to bring back from the archives of the boards, this is it!



I knew you would be happy too see this one back, lol.


Again, My wonderful reputation makes Me predictable.   Muaaah.



one day m'Lady...one day....with any luck....all the stars will align for You to have those deep, dark, craving of mine come alive to please and exite You like no other..........



darchChylde -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 3:48:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: solvr70
one day m'Lady...one day....with any luck....all the stars will align for You to have those deep, dark, craving of mine come alive to please and exite You like no other..........



good thing she doesn't have to wait for some undefined period of time called "one day" and she can just avail herself of the varied services of her clip



bipolarber -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 5:34:59 PM)

darchChyld,

Well, it may be that your conception of what m2m sex is like is a little off base... I assume that by saying "intrusive" you're saying that it's much rougher, possibly even more violent, than it really is.

I can tell you, via experience, I've had slow sensual sex with guys... and I've had rather brutal fuckings at the hands of women. (fisting is about as intrusive as you can get, short of being stabbed. LOL)

But your core point is probably valid: women are more familliar with the physical/emotional/mental sensations of accepting someone else into their bodies. As such, they're a little more careful (in the best sense of the word) in how they go about it.



AFlyInYourWeb -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 6:08:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: knowshisplace08

forced is such a bad term....a man who sucks another man's cock is willing to do so..it doesn't just end up there by accident. 



I prefer "induced" or "seduced" to "forced". 

"To lead or move by persuasion or influence, as to some action or state of mind" sounds more like the Dominas I know and have known.

So does "...to win over; attract; entice."











bipolarber -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 7:36:09 PM)

As Midori says, "BDSM is really about a long, ongoing seduction"... "forcing" someone to do things they hate, or are dangerous, is a major tunoff, illegal, and ethically questionable.

Besides, it's much more fun to watch someone struggle internally with things that their upbringing says is wrong, but that they've fantasized about for years on end... and the only way to get them to struggle, is to give them some kind of choice in the matter... Often not MUCH of a choice, but enough that they COULD get out of it, if they really wanted to.



LadyPact -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/21/2007 7:00:37 AM)

My thanks to you, darchChylde, for being so sweet.

Also, bipolarber, My thanks as well for the very interesting story relating your experiences.  Many times, I wish more males could be as open as you've been. 

I've said this before on other boards, but it's obviously been a while.  I never use the term "forced" for anything.  Usually, I prefer the term "encouraged".  There really is a vast difference between the two.  If you don't believe Me, look them up.

This topic, along with some others, such as strap on play, is very sensative to a lot of people out there.  It's one of those that I put under the 'handle delicately' area.  As big of a fan as I am of it, I realize, being a rational human being, that it's not for every submissive out there.  Some will have it on their absolute hard limit list for all of eternity.  There's nothing wrong with that.  Just like there's nothing wrong with those who don't have it as a hard limit.  Each situation, each person is different.

Where I'm going with this, I suppose, is what ever happened to the males talking with their Dominant about the issue?  Doesn't it really all come down to discussing things before play and the sub responding with yes, no, or maybe?  (Acceptable, hard, or soft limits.)  I can't possibly be the only One out there who still relies on negotiation to know boundries.  If someone is that hard core against it, wouldn't you think the Domme would know?

With all of that said, I still think the topic is a bit unbalanced.  Are W/we really supposed to believe that there is such a higher percentage of bisexual females rather than males solely based on gender?  Perhaps it's something tied up in the X chromozone?  Is the chemistry of the brain so involved in regards to whether a person has a vagina or a penis that it tips the scales somehow?  Have We learned so little about social conditioning in the past fifty years that We can't realize the effect that it has on this discussion? 

It's like anything else.  Some like it.  Some don't.  Those of U/us who do like it, however, can really enjoy it.



Politesub53 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/21/2007 8:27:40 AM)

Hi LadyP..... I think some males prefer the term forced bi, as this doesnt seem as though they are making the choice. Some Dommes would also like the term as it indicates the "Power" aspect.

i could see a situation where a submissive that was totally against it, was about to be "Forced" by his Mistress. He would then have to decide if he was going to carry on, or stop the scene and maybe lose his Mistress..... To me thats not "Forced" but emotional blackmail on Her part.

You are spot on when you say the only right way is to say "Yes, no or maybe" before anything happens. The male could always reconsider at a later date anyhow. 

Nice photo btw... i am glad You learned how to post them to the board [;)] 



stripmymanhood -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/27/2007 2:31:55 PM)

OK...well now that i've actually had sex with a male...i can tell you that if i do it again, it will have to be for the enjoyment of another...the man i was with was fun and all...but it's just not my thing...that said...as a slave, if that's required or wanted by an owner...a slave does what they are told...as i saw on a profile, one's car does not tell it's owner where to go...so neither should one's slave.



LadyPact -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/27/2007 5:05:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

Hi LadyP..... I think some males prefer the term forced bi, as this doesnt seem as though they are making the choice. Some Dommes would also like the term as it indicates the "Power" aspect.

i could see a situation where a submissive that was totally against it, was about to be "Forced" by his Mistress. He would then have to decide if he was going to carry on, or stop the scene and maybe lose his Mistress..... To me thats not "Forced" but emotional blackmail on Her part.

You are spot on when you say the only right way is to say "Yes, no or maybe" before anything happens. The male could always reconsider at a later date anyhow. 

Nice photo btw... i am glad You learned how to post them to the board [;)] 

Thank you for the compliment on the photo, politesub.  It's nice to hear, especially since I got My first "fat bashing" mail after I put it up. 

I completely see where your line of thinking comes from on the word "forced" and the very reasons that some like it.  There's an extra edgy thrill to it introducing that element for some and that's understandable.  The term itself doesn't bother Me under certain circumstances.  Those being that I am very familiar with the person, and know very well the limits and boundries they have.  If I have to question that the "forced" activity might cause harm, I'll usually do more investigating.



Griswold -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/27/2007 5:15:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: malebitchinatutu

Hello A/all,

i was wondering if the concept of forcing men to suck cock and/or be used by another man has been around for a long time or if this is something that has recently become popular in the BDSM community.

bitch b


It's actually been around since 1973 (August 27 actually)....but thank you for asking.



Reigna -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/27/2007 6:37:58 PM)

Upthread a ways, a MichaelofGeorgia was protesting and protesting that he'll never do homosexual acts. I'm new to the boards, and don't know much about Michael's history. And, while it's true that a person who protests too much often means the opposite of what's stated in the protest, the very discoverer of the unconscious once pointed out that sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I would say that sometimes a protest is just a protest.

Back in the Mesozoic when I was trying to sub because that's what girls do, I had a Dom who was very keen on getting me to play with another woman. I told him from the outset that I wasn't into women, but it was clear to him that I couldn't possibly have meant that because all women are bi, right? He pushed and prodded. I kicked and bucked and protested, which he found incredibly exciting because (1) my strong protests obviously meant that, deep down, I really wanted to be with another woman, and (2) he liked to play on the edge of nonconsensent. One day, while I was kicking and bucking and protesting, he told me that he was going to tie me down and then have one of his bisexual exes come in and do me. I informed him that if he ever pulled that, I would press assault charges against both of them. And I meant it. For whatever reason, he never tried this cute little trick; but he kept up the pressure, pushing and bullying me about accepting another woman. I ended up voting with my feet, realizing at last that he didn't give a shit about my limits.

That wasn't the first time I'd walked away from a relationship that had been made conditional on my making love with a woman. Years earlier, a very close friend decided she was in love with me and that it would be too painful for her to continue the friendship if we weren't lovers. Buh-bye.

So, yeah, I completely get why you'd be suspicious of someone who keeps saying NONONONONO!!! I also get that NONONONONO!!! can mean just that.

Which is all really interesting, to me at least, because my sub is a crossdresser. He has a very masculine side--rides enormous, roaring motorcycles and skis like a maniac down black diamond runs. And I have heavily modified my play with him in order to ensure that I get the masculine goodies I want from him. But it's clear to me that part of why I like him is that it's a way for me to have a femmy creature at my disposal; and I do like this, despite my long history of walking away from what truly would have been forced bisexual scenarios.



Reigna -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/27/2007 7:22:10 PM)

Also upthread, someone asked if it's possible to change someone's sexuality. Not sure that this is "changing" someone's sexuality, but I've seen a number of cases in which a male Dom "forces" a femsub into bisexual acts, whereupon the sub decides she prefers women after all and promptly dumps the Dom to go looking for women. But that's probably not changing sexuality, as it's evident that these ladies' bi or lesbian proclivities already were there or they couldn't have been "forced," let alone converted.



yowza2500 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (1/2/2008 12:37:28 PM)

i sucked my very first cock in the presence of a Mistress who completely surprised me by bringing in another sissy.  She stood "him" in front of me, told him to pull his panties down and masterbate, put a condom on.....Then, She instructed me to lean forward, open my mouth and suck his cock until told to stop.  i was so taken, i couldn't resist or stop and kept sucking until She instructed him to cum in my mouth, which he did. She then rewarded me for sucking my first cock by peeing on my face.



iwearpanties -> RE: forced bisexual acts (1/3/2008 5:44:59 AM)

im a sub male but i havent had any type of sex with anther Male. i will admitt as a submissive the wants and fantays of forced too do it are there also . but as others have posted it doing it on ones own is taboo but the act or playing that its forced could help relax the Male  submissive or slave .As
Yowaz posted her time she went thur i wouild say many subs/ submissves /slave bois would or do have fantays simular to his / her   submisson .



msebonybelle -> RE: forced bisexual acts (1/3/2008 11:25:31 AM)

I don't care how Dominant I am, I will never interfere, jeopardize or otherwise try to alter someone's sexuality. That is just wrong in my strong opinion - wrong and dangerous.

"Where there is no emotion, there is no pain."

MsEbonyBelle



ShaktiSama -> RE: forced bisexual acts (1/3/2008 11:53:50 AM)

I know how you feel, Ms. Ebonybelle, and I would not even be tempted to do something like this if homosexuality was a genuinely hard limit for a man, or if it was something he had tried or thought about and rejected calmly on his own.

On the other hand, I can definitely see how a man who had difficulty expressing even the simplest erotic curiosity about another man's body might find it appealing. Through a "forced bi" scene he can cross the taboo line of homosexuality with a dominant woman there to mediate the event.  If it's about me, and what I want, and I'm a woman--then it isn't gay, and it doesn't force him to re-define himself as a person.  He can simply satisfy his curiosity, do something to please me as a woman, and hop back and forth over the line of Big Scary GAY without getting hurt.

I think that many men who identify as straight sometimes use the women in their lives to mediate their desire to express love for one another.  I've seen a few situations where men who had been close friends for years would end up in a threesome with a woman who was involved with one of them; she was the conduit through which they could reach out to one another.

Strange, I suppose, but I think it's understandable.  We live in a society where any homosexual urge or tendency is associated with violence and death; growing boys learn to anathematize homosexuality very early in life, and being identified as queer becomes one of any straight man's most persistent fears.  Not surprising that submissive men find a way around this as easily as vanilla men do!



janhumil -> RE: forced bisexual acts (3/22/2008 2:08:38 AM)

i was "forced' to cocksuck my Domme's other male sub.
Although i am straight, i did. Why ?

1. orgasm denial via a CB2000.
2. she turned me on a without letting me cum.
3. i know "humiliating me" turns my mistress on.

Each day she tied us in 69 position for half an hour, naked and blindfolded.
"Or you start sucking cock or you don't cum at all."
I can asure you after a week you start sucking cock.

I must admit i'm into humiliation and i like to give my mistress everything she wants.
Some might say this is not "being forced" because the choise to suck or not is mine.
I think you might call it "forced" because there's no alternative.
Being turned on for a week without masturbating, it drives you wilde.
At the end you will do EVERYTHING to get released of your frustration.

PS: And afterwards i didn't become gay at all.



GoddessTeaze -> RE: forced bisexual acts (3/22/2008 3:35:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: malebitchinatutu

Hello A/all,

i was wondering if the concept of forcing men to suck cock and/or be used by another man has been around for a long time or if this is something that has recently become popular in the BDSM community.

It seems like a lot of Dominas really enjoy seeing this done.  i was wondering if the Ladies like the act itself or seeing a man degraded/reduced to a pathetic cocksucker?

Thank Y/you for sharing!

bitch b

Since there are new subs born right this minit, the wheel will be invented over and over again, by people everyday yes.
But there was forced cocksucking ages ago..
So no Wwe arent anything new,
only the called it different back then.

It's hard to be original after 2000 centuries!

have a good one

GoddezzT`



khem -> RE: forced bisexual acts (3/22/2008 7:46:27 AM)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_scale
(link to the Kinsey Scale)

That's what I think of instead of the rigid terms "straight" or "gay"

If I was with someone who was a 0,  it would be geninue forcing and not my thing, even if they did consent.

Anyone who is 1 or higher is not "forced," although they may enjoy the concept of being forced. 

And, yes, it's definitely high up on my list of things that are a huge turn on (having a submissive get "talked into" being with a another man for my viewing pleasure).  Perhaps one day I'll get to actually do this.  (In the meantime, I'll just drool and ponder it)



stop352 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (3/23/2008 12:23:37 AM)

the concept of m-m sex sand wether a sub feels huliated are issues which are based purely on the subs perception. if the issue is not on the subs hard limits and the Domme is a true Domme who respects limits then i think use of bi sex to humliate and prove the domnation of the Domme s justiffied. It is not a matteer wether the sub likes it or not. the sub is there to fulfil the desires of the Domme and for Her pleasure period if this pleases the Domme then the sub must do it to please his Domme.



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