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julietsierra -> RE: forced bisexual acts (1/1/2007 6:22:36 AM)

Well, as a female submissive chiming in on this topic (yes, I know it doesn't really pertain to me), I am not attracted to females in a sexual way, and yet, if it's something my Master wants - he gets what he wants.

At the same time, I have a whole host of other things on my list of "hot" topics that I'd love to try, but decidedly lack the courage to engage in them. There are times I wish he'd force the situation but he's more of the mind that on those, either I will get there over time, or I won't. While he likes to set up situation where I am doing things that are difficult for me, he's not interested in "forcing" me to do anything that I have strong feelings against - if those strong feelings come with valid rationales. Personally, I think it's because he gets greater enjoyment watching me say "I won't... no no no" and then chuckling as I find out "I will... please please please" even if it takes a long long time to get there.

Me not being interested in women would not be a valid rationale for him.

Oh, and michael...

I've generally found that a mouth is a mouth is a mouth - with a blindfold on.

juliet




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: forced bisexual acts (1/1/2007 9:10:12 AM)

if i were female...i'd be a devout lesbian




SweetDommes -> RE: forced bisexual acts (1/1/2007 8:19:50 PM)

It's pretty pointless for anyone to discuss this with michael - he comes into every single thread on this type of topic with the same "NO NO NO NO NO I WON'T I WON'T I WON'T" attitude.  He feels the need to spew his own man-hating views at every single opportunity.  He won't even just stay out of it because he isn't interested (which would be what most people do), and he doesn't leave after he states his mind.  He just keeps coming back and coming back with absolutely nothing new to say.

As to the actual topic, it's something that we have talked about, but haven't done.  It is, of course, something that may happen at some point in the future, but as of right now, it won't be any time soon. 




sexykitty -> RE: forced bisexual acts (1/2/2007 3:11:55 PM)

Before I met my guy I had no interest in women. Because I knew it turned him on, I gradually got more interested and curious.




urorlslave -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/18/2007 12:29:54 PM)

I am a heterosexual who wants to try bisexual acts. However, I will never do it on my own. Too many taboos and upbringing. I have never been a sub neither. And why I need a lady to help me fulfill that fantasy, I don't know. However, I do and have not been able to find a lady willing to do this. At a total loss right now about what to do.




knowshisplace08 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/18/2007 1:43:55 PM)

forced is such a bad term....a man who sucks another man's cock is willing to do so..it doesn't just end up there by accident.  i used to use that term when i was unwilling to accept that i am bisexual..took the responsibility out of it for me.  i enjoy being used by a Domme in that way if She receives any sort of pleasure or amusement out of it...but it's definitely not forced:)




Cissykay1999 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/18/2007 3:18:40 PM)

I've read the question, and some of the answers. The one thing I haven't read is what the domme would do for the time she had after forcing a man to give head to another man. My point is, the sub better be the type that is so closeted, he wouldn't do anything about it. IT'S AGAINST THE LAW FOLKS. In all fifty states, and several foreign countries. I'm as open minded as the next guy, but that's a hard limit that will not be broken. I would have the domme arrested, and prosecuted, in a heartbeat. Of course she would know how i feel before she tried it, and be well aware of the consequenses.  I'm not gay, and never will be. Then there is always the issue of the other having real good medical insurance. he wouldn't come back with his dick. Yes, this is a sore spot for me, and one of the few things that scares the hell out of me.




laurell3 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/18/2007 6:41:51 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cissykay1999

I've read the question, and some of the answers. The one thing I haven't read is what the domme would do for the time she had after forcing a man to give head to another man. My point is, the sub better be the type that is so closeted, he wouldn't do anything about it. IT'S AGAINST THE LAW FOLKS. In all fifty states, and several foreign countries. I'm as open minded as the next guy, but that's a hard limit that will not be broken. I would have the domme arrested, and prosecuted, in a heartbeat. Of course she would know how i feel before she tried it, and be well aware of the consequenses.  I'm not gay, and never will be. Then there is always the issue of the other having real good medical insurance. he wouldn't come back with his dick. Yes, this is a sore spot for me, and one of the few things that scares the hell out of me.


Ok but have you not read that "forced" really means consentual we'll act like it's forced?  Most people are not really promoting actual sexual assault, "forced" consent and "forced" bi are anything but "forced".  And by the way,  you do realize that in most states most of wiitwd is AGAINST THE LAW FOLKS right?

The first time I had sexual interaction with another woman was at the request of my then Dom.  It wasn't something I would have explored on my own at that time.  I was hesitant, but it in no way was "forced".  Thank God I tried it, for me, I would have been missing out on quite a bit if I hadn't.  This is the type of situation most are referring to when they say  "forced bi".




bipolarber -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/18/2007 7:06:17 PM)

Okay, we were all saying some interesting things until about page seven, then the signal to noise ratio really started to slip into the realm of BS.

Michael, if you really don't want to be pushed into this area, just tell your Domme (should you ever get offline long enough to try real life) that is is an absolute hard limit. (One of among your hundreds) I'm not too fond of testosterone poisoned types myself, but I certainly don't condemn half of humaninty on the basis of a single flipped chromosone. Try to deal with people as individuals, okay? It's a much more rational way to approach life.

Now then, being a male sub, and having been in this situation a few times, I'd like to make a few observations, please. First, even for bisexuals, just because someone is the same sex, does not mean we're automatically attracted to them. Sometimes, this form of play is more about getting over your reluctance to play with a certain person, rather than just their gender. Secondly, the posters who have stated that we subs who obey this sort of order are indeed correct in saying that we are doing it to please our dominant partner. To please them, AND to prove to ourselves that we are up to the challange. Does sucking a cock, under duress, make someone gay? No.  Does it make them bisexual? Not if they don't find themselves enjoying the experience, no.

I DO take exception however to a couple of the posters who have said that they would like a sub to go through this, so that they can then start using the label "cocksucker" as a means of humiliating them. My hope is that they know what they are doing, and can read their subs really well. Because in doing this, you will be possibly inducing a MAJOR identity crisis in someone who hasn't done this before. I just hope they intend to be there with the equivelent aftercare needed, since the effects of their scene will last for a very, very long time after their scene has ended... and perhaps a very, verly long time after you've broken up with that sub, and moved on with your lives.

My first experience with this was with a couple. The wife was someone who absolutely loved watching men have sex. (She had the largest gay video porn collection I'd ever seen...) She also had a "thing" for pushing boundries. I'd been playing with them for several months when she told me at the end of one session that the next week, I'd be putting on a show with her husband for a coffee clatch of other Fem Doms. I would be tied, and her husband would have free reign to use me.

I was absolutely freaked for several days, but I eventually got used to the idea. I made calls to her husband, and we talked about it. He was okay with it, and this was not going to be a first for him. At least as far as playing with another male was concerned. He was having his limit pushed by having to play with me in front of a group of other women. It took me a while to psych myself into it. Sure, I'd fantasized about this kind of thing since I first started masturbating... but aside from spanking a guy at a party, I'd never taken it any farther. I figured, what the hell... here's my chance to try it, with someone I at least knew, and if it didn't work out, I could always tell myself I was bound... so what choice did I have? (Ah! The sub's ally!) In retrospect, letting us know what was coming was both reassuring, and a huge anticipation builder.

That Saturday, I showed up at the appointed time, and I was taken to the basement dungeon, stripped, my hands cuffed behind my back, and blindfolded. Her husband fitted me with an anal plug (to help prepare me) and then left me in the middle of the room to wait. The "crib radio" was on, so if I felt distressed, all I had to do was call out. He went upstairs to act as waiter/servant for the social.

I kept breaking out into a sweat as I listened to the people arriving upstairs, and the muted conversations as they all sat around, having coffee. Finally, a couple of hours later, they came downstairs for the day's "entertainment."

I think the worst moment was when I realized that there were others there than just Dommes. Some of the ladies had brought their submissives, of course. I was going to have to do this in front of other males!

Music started. I can't remember, really. I think this was the first time I'd heard Enigma... Anyway, about the time the dance beat began, I felt her husband's cock feather across my lips. "Suck it." He said. Hesitating, his hand went under my jaw and he pulled me toward him. Her husband was pretty average, frankly, but to me, the first time and blindfolded, he felt huge in my mouth. He sank in slowly, letting me get used to the feeling of him at the back of my throat. (I'd been practicing a few days before, trying to get over my gag reflex.) There was a murmer of appreciation through the audiance, and he began to slowly pump my mouth.

I felt really awkward. I was trying to do several things at once: keep my lips curled over my teeth, try to angle my head so I wouldn't be hitting my gag spot, keep breathing. It took several minutes, but I was able to finally relax into it. The heat of him, the musky scent and the almost silken texture to his cock really took me by surprise! Finally, I was able to start giving something back. A little tounge work, a little swallowing to create a pull on him.

After several minutes, I could feel his tempo increasing. His wife told him, quite firmly, "come in his mouth.... boy, swallow."

It was a rush of fluid, so much, mixed with the runnels of saliva leaking from the corners of my mouth, that I couldn't catch it all.

There was a round of applause, and I was given a short rest. Her husband was able to recover within a half hour, and we finished our "show" with him taking me from behind. (but that's not really on topic...)

If you have the flexability, this sort of scene can be unbelieveably hot, and push your level of submission into another dimention.

To each their own.




LadyPact -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/18/2007 7:06:23 PM)

If there was ever a great subject to bring back from the archives of the boards, this is it!




darchChylde -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/18/2007 7:13:43 PM)

Ma'am may be able to convince me to do anything; She can convince, coerce, sway, persuade, entice, or even guilt me into something... but the moment i actually do it, i am not being forced... if someone is in a consentual relationship, there is not "forced" anything... i may do things that i find disgusting and degrading, or just plain unpleasant; but the moment i am actually "forced" to do anything, it means that She has not kept up to Your end of the deal... i, and any other sub/slave always have a choice, we can say no and accept the consequences, or simply leave

but for me to do anything that She tells me to do, inherently constitutes agreeing to that act

and especially as far as sex acts go, i cannot imagine a "real" dominant wanting to have a sub or slave that they can "force" to do anything that they are so opposed to that the word "force" can be honestly used... such a thing is not a sign of submission or devotion to a dominant, but of a total lack of self-respect within themselves

*steps down from soapbox and sweeps it off for the next person*




Cissykay1999 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/18/2007 7:34:35 PM)

Bipolarber, I have one question. I think I already know the answer, but I'd like to see if I'm right. It seems that by telling you of her plans a week before the party, she was giving you the opportunity to voice your opinion of a scene that hadn't been tried before in her presence. My question is: If you said absoloutely not when she informed you of the planned scene, would she have honored your decision?




bipolarber -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/18/2007 8:56:28 PM)

Good question Cissy... I got on a roll, there, remembering how it all went down, and I kinda drifted from the essentials of the post: I wasn't so much "forced" into doing this scene as... coerced (sp?) The important bit that I left out of it was, that if I decided not to do it, I would be let go, and they wouldn't play with me again in the future. (and I was pretty damed infatuated with her by that point... I didn't even want to think about being put out the door.)

So the choice was simple... I could do as she wanted, and really push my own envelope (but not be in any real danger) or I could go find someone else to belong to. She made it quite plain that she expected her subs to be able to do anything she herself was willing to do...

I found it pretty facinating that many of the female posters on this thread don't seem to have the kind of resistence to same sex contact the way guys do. I guess it's the stigma that we associate with m2m sex that really makes this form of play "forbidden," edgy, and thus so hot.

Personally, I was glad it happened. It opened a whole new door to who I was, and what I had always suspected about myself, but had such a hard time accepting. I still prefer women over men...(vastly!) but there are the occasional times when I just get into a mindset... a rut, if you will, for a guy. There's an aggressiveness and a sense of ... I don't know... sympatico... that I get with my own sex that I find pretty satisfying. Still, to lose my "bi virginity" with a round of applause from a small group of women and their subs... how could you ask for better support?




Cissykay1999 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/18/2007 10:20:31 PM)

No Laurell, forced, for the definition of this thread, means forced. Please don't equate this with the adage that No means yes when it comes to a woman consenting. For all intent and purposes, no means no with either men or women. Rape is rape, and a blowjob is a blowjob in the eyes of the law. At some point, the topic of the man going to have the woman arrested will undoubtedly come up. Although I have no examples to give (there probably are many) I can see a man commiting suicide after being forced to suck a man;s cock if he is totally straight. I have three male friends that I consider my best male friends in the world, and one is gay. The subject has come up at a party that he and his wife (female) threw and I was invited. Most all of the guests were gay, but since I was a close family friend, and I knew several of the men, I was extended the invitation. There is alot of chat about the gay lifestyle at functions like this.
I don't know if a domme would get the same thrill out of it, but I wonder how many women would go through the scene, and have her sub suck a strap-on. Although I haven't done it, if I was given the same time to mull it over, I just might do that if it were being worn by a domme. But  a real dick. That ain't gonna happen. I would hope I'm smart enough to find a domme that I trust enough to KNOW she would never put me in that position.




solvr70 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 6:33:10 AM)

i've tried to put this into words before. But it always seems that those that understand, understand. it's not a hard limit like a branding iron or something that would have me RUNNING out the door, not do i have an attraction to other males (it's the female form that is a work of art and does incredible things to me).     however......if me taking cock would excite a Dominant Woman (much like girl-girl play excites just about every guy alive), with some strong encouragement, and insistance (notice the lack of the word "forced"), it would be an extreemly hot scene to me, and a first as well.

my attempt at explaining it all.




laurell3 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 10:24:33 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Cissykay1999

No Laurell, forced, for the definition of this thread, means forced. Please don't equate this with the adage that No means yes when it comes to a woman consenting. For all intent and purposes, no means no with either men or women. Rape is rape, and a blowjob is a blowjob in the eyes of the law. At some point, the topic of the man going to have the woman arrested will undoubtedly come up. Although I have no examples to give (there probably are many) I can see a man commiting suicide after being forced to suck a man;s cock if he is totally straight. I have three male friends that I consider my best male friends in the world, and one is gay. The subject has come up at a party that he and his wife (female) threw and I was invited. Most all of the guests were gay, but since I was a close family friend, and I knew several of the men, I was extended the invitation. There is alot of chat about the gay lifestyle at functions like this.
I don't know if a domme would get the same thrill out of it, but I wonder how many women would go through the scene, and have her sub suck a strap-on. Although I haven't done it, if I was given the same time to mull it over, I just might do that if it were being worn by a domme. But  a real dick. That ain't gonna happen. I would hope I'm smart enough to find a domme that I trust enough to KNOW she would never put me in that position.


Well actually no, the OP is:
"Hello A/all,

i was wondering if the concept of forcing men to suck cock and/or be used by another man has been around for a long time or if this is something that has recently become popular in the BDSM community.


It seems like a lot of Dominas really enjoy seeing this done.  i was wondering if the Ladies like the act itself or seeing a man degraded/reduced to a pathetic cocksucker?

Thank Y/you for sharing!"



There is no mention of rape and the common meaning of "forced bi" is in fact consentual bi acts that may not be something the sub/slave has an individual interest in but does at the request of their D type.  I'm certainly not equating it to no means yes, but consenting to an act that is called "forced" but isn't in fact forced is not rape.

Having been sexually assaulted at a young age, I don't personally engage in any type of rape play and for me no always means no.  Anyone I am with is quite aware of this fact.  However, using legal standards as a measuring stick for wiitwd is never a good one as the majority of bdsm activites are in fact illegal.  That was my point.

You have a strong aversion to bi acts.  Don't do them.  I'm in no way suggesting you should ever do anything that has psychologically harmful effects of a longterm nature for you.  I don't and never will.




solvr70 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 10:58:24 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: laurell3

Well actually no, the OP is:
"Hello A/all,

i was wondering if the concept of forcing men to suck cock and/or be used by another man has been around for a long time or if this is something that has recently become popular in the BDSM community.


It seems like a lot of Dominas really enjoy seeing this done.  i was wondering if the Ladies like the act itself or seeing a man degraded/reduced to a pathetic cocksucker?

Thank Y/you for sharing!"

There is no mention of rape and the common meaning of "forced bi" is in fact consentual bi acts that may not be something the sub/slave has an individual interest in but does at the request of their D type.  I'm certainly not equating it to no means yes, but consenting to an act that is called "forced" but isn't in fact forced is not rape.

Having been sexually assaulted at a young age, I don't personally engage in any type of rape play and for me no always means no.  Anyone I am with is quite aware of this fact.  However, using legal standards as a measuring stick for wiitwd is never a good one as the majority of bdsm activites are in fact illegal.  That was my point.

You have a strong aversion to bi acts.  Don't do them.  I'm in no way suggesting you should ever do anything that has psychologically harmful effects of a longterm nature for you.  I don't and never will.


Yea, what you said about what is actually meant in this context.

soooo sorry to have heard about your assault when you were young. Lock people up that do that and throw away the key are my feelings on that.




darchChylde -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 11:08:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: bipolarber
I found it pretty facinating that many of the female posters on this thread don't seem to have the kind of resistence to same sex contact the way guys do.


oh geez...  maybe it could be that m2m sex is, by it's nature, much more invasive than most hetero guys will generally experience; short of a single well oiled finger from their doctor

while f2f sex is generally not invasive, and if it is; most women have experience with insertion of some sort




Unrepentant1 -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 12:22:49 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

If there was ever a great subject to bring back from the archives of the boards, this is it!



I knew you would be happy too see this one back, lol.




LadyPact -> RE: forced bisexual acts (12/19/2007 3:31:57 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Unrepentant1

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

If there was ever a great subject to bring back from the archives of the boards, this is it!



I knew you would be happy too see this one back, lol.


Again, My wonderful reputation makes Me predictable.   Muaaah.




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