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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 7:24:41 AM   
MissyRane


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I hadn't one bit of feminine in me until I was um...15 I think..
and like tiger says who's there to judge how one should be?

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 7:32:16 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Lashra

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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Greetings..~smiles~

Has no issue's with Dominant women until the point they cross the line and try to act like Men or compare themselves equally to Men. Females are not equal to Men. Men are not equal to females. Were different for many reasons..the main one that sticks out is survival, and thankfully has carried us this far. That reason doesn't seem as needed these days as it once use to..but if all forget that reason..eventually it will come back to bite us in the ass.

Well Wishes

starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin

I hunt, fish, lift weights, have done martial arts and have had a few physical confrontations with men. I didn't start the fights but I did finish them. Am I bragging? No. I merely stating that not ALL women will back down, most will but not all. Some of us enjoy doing things that men do and feel quite at ease doing it. I know most men are bigger and stronger but not always, its all very individual. 

Most of the men that I've gone hunting or fishing with never had a problem with my gender because it was understood that I could easily take care of myself. Though with that said, they were protective of me and funny thing, I was of them. Its called watching each other's back for the good of the entire group.

Have a good one,
~Lashra



I have to ask, what does any of this have to do with Dominance?

I hunt and fish as well as any man I have ever partnered with. I have lifted weights with the best of them. I can set up a camp faster than most men I know. I can turn a pile of fallen trees into a face cord of wood at the same pace as any man. I can swing a hammer and an axe. If I have to get into a physical confrontation, I would choose to do it with a man over a woman any day. I can support a family. I can hold my own in Corporate America. I can supervise and manage employees of both genders. But none of these things make me a Dominant woman. None of these things make me supreme or superior. They don't imply Dominance....they imply that I'm capable.

I don't understand why conversations regarding Dominant women turn into discussions of abilities and equal rights. I further don't understand how women who talk of equality of the sexes can go on to say how offended they are when they see women in positions of submission....but they have no issue with men in those positions. If you truly believe in equals, doesn't that effectively negate Dominance and submission which is an UNequal dynamic?



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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 7:38:58 AM   
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In my opinion, neither dominance nor submission is or should be gender specific. There are a few dominant men I quite respect and enjoy, a few submissive men I also respect and enjoy. In addition there are a few submissive women and dominant women I also enjoy and respect. It is the person, the individual human being that I am interested in. Regardless of gender, sexuality, or how they identify in WIIWD.
I respect ANYONE that has the courage to be themself while allowing others the same freedom, and not pass judgement on what that is, or should be.


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My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 7:42:52 AM   
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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

And thusly..females are not Equal to Men..Men are not equal to females. The basic fundementals of their physical characteristics has dictated that.

starshine
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starshine, I just have to point out that I personally find it insulting when you are constantly upper casing terms refering to males/men and lower casing terms refering to females/women.

I know this may be how you view the world and how you have set up your own life but I suspect I'm not the only person who when reading this spelling differential starts to tune out almost everything else that you write because I feel a negative vibe in the writing from this odd grammar choice.

I know full well it may be a rule from your master and if so, I suggest you may want to ask him if you may write a different way especially if you are posting in the "Ask a Mistress" forum so we can value your thoughts over this off-putting captialization issue.

I would really like to understand what you are writing but honestly the capitalize is seriously throwing me off. I'd feel the same way about the reverse and have pointedly asked any one writing to me who capitalizes words in relationship to me or my sex/gender that they stop. I'm a human being like any other human being. The assumption of authority or power difference when it has not been agreed upon really offends me personally.

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 7:43:07 AM   
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Men and women are different - they each possess different qualities as a result of their biology. The difference is heightened by cultural models of how each should be. We can easily violate the cultural models nowadays, but the biology remains.

That the Bems research showed that men and women clustered around a central line, albeit on different sides of that line, shows that differences, in healthy individuals, are normal between most men and women.

What the research did not show, was that being on one or other side of the line was good or bad, or better /worse, superior/inferior etc.

Of course men tend to do better in some activities - for biological reasons (size/strength) and for cultural reasons (ie they were brought up to believe they should do x "male activity" and so have practised at x and so achieved better than normal proficiency).

Of course women tend to do better in some activities - for the same reasons. But just as if a man is brought up to believe he should do y "female activity" and has practised it and achieved proficiency, so a woman can achieve proficiency in the male activity x, by the same aspiration and application.

There is no better or worse, superior or inferior in all this. There is no ability or inability in all this. There is only different relative proficiencies brought about by biology and cultural influence.

All in all, we have to move away from this idea that the white, heterosexual male is the natural superior to all, which is what several centuries of a certain culture have left us with.

A relationship as well as greater society can only function at its best, when each person contributes in the way for which he/she is best suited. If both partners in a relationship do this, it is a marriage in the sense of the bringing together of complementary partners whose contributions make up on each side any relative deficiencies in the whole. If all in society do this, then the members each complement and support the others and the whole.

In any machine, what is more important, superior or better I wonder? The nut or the bolt? The answer is easy - they are each a vital part, complementing one another. In the absence of one, the other will fail, but together they work well.

Some people are nuts (well, we knew that maybe) and some people are bolts. What sex we are or what gender we portray does not determine whether we are one or the other.

E

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 7:47:20 AM   
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Yaaaaa knowwwww.......since my "gelded" male horse is bigger and stronger than any man I have ever met, hell, alot of times he shows more common sense, and can let himself out of any barn or gate.....do you think that makes him superiour to all human men?

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My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:00:37 AM   
LadyEllen


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quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

Yaaaaa knowwwww.......since my "gelded" male horse is bigger and stronger than any man I have ever met, hell, alot of times he shows more common sense, and can let himself out of any barn or gate.....do you think that makes him superiour to all human men?


Yes. Let us all be ruled by said gelding - clearly superior!

If gelding makes one superior, then I'd be happy with that - for some reason LOL!



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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:07:50 AM   
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In any machine, what is more important, superior or better I wonder? The nut or the bolt? The answer is easy - they are each a vital part, complementing one another. In the absence of one, the other will fail, but together they work well.


Thats got to be the best example so far out of all this. A nut can not be a bolt and do a bolts job..but the job that the nut has is just as important to produce result. When that nut starts to deny it's a nut and spends it's time trying to act like a bolt..poof.

Well Wishes

starshine
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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:10:30 AM   
LadyEllen


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quote:

ORIGINAL: starshineowned

quote:

In any machine, what is more important, superior or better I wonder? The nut or the bolt? The answer is easy - they are each a vital part, complementing one another. In the absence of one, the other will fail, but together they work well.


Thats got to be the best example so far out of all this. A nut can not be a bolt and do a bolts job..but the job that the nut has is just as important to produce result. When that nut starts to deny it's a nut and spends it's time trying to act like a bolt..poof.

Well Wishes

starshine
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Yes, taken out of context.

The next bit says that whether we are nuts or bolts is not sex or gender related.

E

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:21:41 AM   
LaTigresse


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Well here is my nut and bolt thought.......I am a nut, I prefer nuts...........I can buy a good facsimile of a bolt!

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Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:22:07 AM   
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Not really..because the point was what ever they were born to be naturally..they aren't spending their time trying to be something else.

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  Some people are nuts (well, we knew that maybe) and some people are bolts. What sex we are or what gender we portray does not determine whether we are one or the other
This aspect relayed from how this girl read it as more specific to dominance or submissive traits and therefore wasn't part of what am speaking about.

Going to end with this now on here because like said before..we all seem to have issues with something or how persons see or view things as it relates to us or is personal to us. Not going to change this girl nor is this girl trying to change others. It's that simple as it should be.

More than willing to try and exbound more in private if any feel the need but responded to the thread as how see's it, and really not here to argue upon it.

Well Wishes

starshine
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< Message edited by starshineowned -- 10/11/2006 8:25:26 AM >

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:27:47 AM   
LadyEllen


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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Not really..because the point was what ever they were born to be naturally..they aren't spending their time trying to be something else.

quote:

  Some people are nuts (well, we knew that maybe) and some people are bolts. What sex we are or what gender we portray does not determine whether we are one or the other
This aspect relayed from how this girl read it as more specific to dominance or submissive traits and therefore wasn't part of what am speaking about.

Well Wishes

starshine
Happy slave of Master Delvin


Understood then. Just as long as we're not making an analogy that a bolt is male and a nut is female etc.

I see that we are nuts or bolts in whatever quality one could mention.

The point is that we are complementary in quality, not one superior to the other.
E


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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:32:05 AM   
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I don't know about men being bolts,  but I double-goddam guarentee you that all women are nuts...............


Ron (smiles shyly....)

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:34:49 AM   
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Yep...as much as I'd like to disagree...just can't LOL

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:42:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: feylin
I, for the most part, do not like dominant women. 

Well pardon me for questioning the obvious -- why do you come here to the Mistress boards then?

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:42:34 AM   
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LOL,

I thought I might suffer some shit-kicking from those with a more conservative sense of propriety..............

Thanks


Ron

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:43:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: dicipline2

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ORIGINAL: MisPandora

Perhaps you wouldn't be so disturbed if you understood that the premise comes from a fictional book series.  If you'd have ever read the books, you'd really understand it.  It'd be hard to live life as a Star Trek character and espouse that "culture" if you didn't get sci-fi or had never seen Star Trek, wouldn't it?


you assume I have never read them? I have read them.... I just dont agree with its ideology.


You crack me up.  I could swear just a few weeks ago, you were asking what this Gor thing was.  You read 26 books in that amount of time?  Wow.

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:47:06 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

LOL,

I thought I might suffer some shit-kicking from those with a more conservative sense of propriety..............

Thanks


Ron


Ron, no problem here. I had to laugh cuz like Kat I pretty much agree. Ima nut, just cover me in dark chocolate.


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My twisted, self deprecating, sense of humour, finds alot to laugh about, in your lack of one!

Just because you are well educated, articulate, and can use big, fancy words, properly........does not mean you are right!

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:52:19 AM   
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chocolate??oo Can I do the licking?? I promise to be gentle

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RE: Women Who Dislike Dominant Women - 10/11/2006 8:54:14 AM   
LaTigresse


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ORIGINAL: MissyRane

chocolate??oo Can I do the licking?? I promise to be gentle


But of course!


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