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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 12:58:27 AM   
Tenebrious


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Status: offline 		You can get all sorts of surgeries and bite splints and stuff that costs a crapload of money for TMJD, but the most common cause is grinding or clenching your teeth.  If you don't stop putting that kind of stress on the joint it won't stop getting worse.  The most effective thing I found to actually help it heal was a simple set of jaw exercises that helps retrain you to open and close your jaw properly, since TMJD causes irregular motion that helps cause further deterioration.  Unfortunately, I lost the link to them shortly after, otherwise I'd post it here.

I could elaborate a little, but this post is already a bit long for squeakin' just this side of thread relevant.  If y'all show more interest I'll elaborate on the exercises and try to dig up a link.

Anyway, I had TMJD several years ago, so I pierced my lip (to give me something to fidget with instead of grinding) and did the exercises until my jaw stopped popping and getting stuck and I haven't had a single problem with it since.

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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 1:03:02 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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Have you tried giving him a bj when you've got toothpaste in your mouth?  Gives him lovely tingles!

And if you're having bj difficulties, there's no greater incentive for him to make sure you get help than one teeny accidental bite.  It'd definitely get his attention.


What you seem to be implying is that a submissive can bite her Dominant's penis to indicate to him that she needs help in learning how to give a good blow job, whereas a slave will freely consent to having all her teeth removed to avoid getting teeth marks on her Master's penis.

At last we have solved the conundrum of the difference between a submissive and a slave.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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Um, noooo that wasn't exactly what I was suggesting.  I just thought that if her jaw does lock up during a bj, he'd be ever so keen to make sure her jaw problems are fixed.

As I said in a previous post, it's her responsibility to tell her Master about the problems she's having. 

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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 1:04:10 AM   
becca333


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Status: offline 		.....They make them remove their teeth?

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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 1:57:01 AM   
Tenebrious


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ORIGINAL: becca333
.....They make them remove their teeth?


People do all sorts of unneccessary things for the sake of aesthetics alone, so why not for giving head?

I, on the other hand, would rather add things for more functionality...  Extra arm joints, a second thumb on each hand, even as far as a second set of arms.....stuff like that would be awesome! :)

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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 2:17:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I have labret and fang piercings for similar reasons. I have Tourette's, and compulsively chew the insides of my cheeks to shreds. Having piercings gives me something more benign to do.

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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 6:47:24 AM   
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I've never had this happen so I have to wonder how long it would take before my lips went numb and I couldn't manage any suction at all. Are you sure maybe he doesn't have some issues with retarded ejaculation?

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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 6:53:13 AM   
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i dunno why i havent asked this sooner.  I'm trying to figure out how to work past this issue....   i have notice that after a certian period of time, while im giving head, my jaw starts to ache, im unable to use "suction" and then eventually my lips start to go numb.   Which wouldnt matter other then the fact that i'm still in the process and WELL that makes it so totally impossible to do anything properly.  If i cant add suction.. and my jaw is aching so bad.. and then i cant feel my lips (which means GOD knows where my teeth are)....

Honestly it gets to the point of doing a really shitty job cos my mouth isnt working.  And i know there are millions of other ways to go about it - but those million of other ways arent always wanted, ya know? 

i've tried a million different things.  Like holding my breathe to apply some sort of suction and using the force in my throat..

Anyone run into this problem (obviously i am sure there are some otherwise i wouldnt bother posting the question) and what the heck do you do about it? 



My owner likes it completely without hand and for a long time (I think, I tend to zone out during it because I enjoy doing it but I suspect it can go for a good half an hour easily).  I find by adjusting the muscles I'm actively using that helps and also sometimes doing some licking along the shaft, holding it in between my breasts and just doing stuff with the head it allows me a quick break from actively using my mouth.  Also sometimes instead of suction I'll just rock back and forth on my knees to still have the up and down motion with my head but it'll allow my jaw a little bit of rest.

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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 8:36:32 AM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		Well - i dont think i'll actually be biting him any time soon.  Though i know i have ummm.. scraped my teeth accidently.  Hell when i cant feel my mouth.. it gets to be like the lottery.  Tho i have managed to learn at that point to wrap my lips around my teeth and use my throat instead of my mouth. 

Could also be the time frame.. but then.. it doesnt take long for my jaw to ache.  i think i've given a bj through a whole movie.  i wouldnt be suprised if its been longer then that.  But then, if you think that after the first 20 minutes my jaw is aching - you can properly assume that after 30 minutes my technique is majorly down.

oh yeah and i swtich positions, change hands.. move around.  i do a variety of things to make myself more comfortable.

i dunno - i was talking to a guy ages ago who served a couple and he said he just zone out and when some where else.. but i dunno how to do that.

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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 8:38:22 AM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		oh and as soon as i get to the dentist and confirm that there is SOMETHING wrong with my jaw -  i will of course notify him.  Hell - it'll save me alot of pain LOL

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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 8:42:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Tenebrious

quote:

ORIGINAL: becca333
.....They make them remove their teeth?


People do all sorts of unneccessary things for the sake of aesthetics alone, so why not for giving head?

I, on the other hand, would rather add things for more functionality...  Extra arm joints, a second thumb on each hand, even as far as a second set of arms.....stuff like that would be awesome! :)


I have always thought that it would be meaningful to add a third breast in the middle of a girl's back.  That would make slow dancing ever so much more enjoyable.
 
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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 1:33:05 PM   
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I don't use actual suction much.  Can't really do that during my bj efforts.  I have enough to concentrate on just working to keep my teeth off of him.  I may have more of a problem than I'd originally thought.  I suspect that part of it is genetic (inherited from my mother) and that part is due to my teeth being misaligned (too many teeth in a small mouth).  I really should get my wisdom teeth out and try to straighten the others with the extra room.  But that'll be expensive, I'm sure.  I also do chew the inside of my cheeks and probably clench my teeth at night.  I know there are some mornings where I wake up with sore molars.
 
Bummer.

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RE: Head - 10/14/2006 2:01:48 PM   
Steelriven


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Status: offline 		Really!? Ok, it doesn't burn? Not to highjack the thread but besides ice, does anyone else know what might substance might feel good while giving a BJ?

As for jaw acheing during a BJ, is there anything else you can do while giving one? Does he have sensitive nipples, or like to be scratched a little? While your mouth is busy, have your hands busy too. Or try having him be excited before you give him one, that way it will take less time, and your mouth will be less sore.


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ORIGINAL: becca333

Have you tried giving him a bj when you've got toothpaste in your mouth?  Gives him lovely tingles!

And if you're having bj difficulties, there's no greater incentive for him to make sure you get help than one teeny accidental bite.  It'd definitely get his attention.


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RE: Head - 10/16/2006 11:33:41 AM   
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RE: Head - 10/16/2006 1:08:45 PM   
Arpig


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then there is always the question of where to put your teeth so that they are out of the way


I suggest the glass of water on the nightstand....traditional? yes, but effective.

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RE: Head - 10/16/2006 4:05:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gee - you all are still going on about head! 

i sugges mints, and toothpaste (but He said not likely)

i suggest snowballing

i suggest tiger balm with a hand job!

jalapeno peppers! 

heck anything minty or spicey or tingly that you can put in your mouth...

i suggest waxing... and icey/hot 

bengay

Disclaimer - Use the suggestions at your own risk


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RE: Head - 10/23/2006 6:36:26 PM   
proto


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Status: offline 		ok, i didn't read every single post in this topic...

but i don't think anyone asked if he just has a giant cock?

as for length of a bj, hours seems excessive for anyone's tolerance, on either end. i don't have any stamina issues, but half hour bj is usually just fine. i can hold out, but i can tell when my sub is getting sore and starting to lose interest. when that happens i take matters into my own hands and quickly bring myself right to the very edge and let/make her finish me off.

maybe i'm insane, but i get bored pretty quickly with most any one activity. i'd say that in any given session we'll run the gamut of perversion, sure there's always somewhat of a focal point or daily mission... but we usually do a little bit of everything.

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RE: Head - 10/24/2006 3:52:03 PM   
TxAllieGrl


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Status: offline 		the first thought I had is that if it's that painful for you, why in the heck is he forcing you to do it? Honestly I'd have thought he'd want to take better care of his girl in a way that doesn't lead to this kind of pain. I say that because it sounds like it's not a "good pain" from an S/m perspective if it's affecting your health.

and I agree with one of the last posters - hours on ends sounds wee bit, oh idunno excessive?

sure it feels good to him. and it sounds like you're doing everything you can to please him, possibly to your own detriment. isn't there a line crossed somewhere?

just my $0.02 worth. freely given..and you get what you pay for.

~allie



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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

Trainer - well its a bdsm topic because its called a "controlled" BJ.  If i had my way, i'd be giving blow jobs in a completely different way.  Plus it has to do with S/m (since i'm in alot of pain) and control (how i do it) and serving (giving the BJ).. oh hell i cant find alot of BDSM on topic info related to blow jobs. 


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RE: Head - 10/25/2006 12:19:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have much of the same problem after about 10 mins or so, and my husband usually takes atleast 30 mins to get off, so he understands that after a while enough is enough and its time for other methods.  It sounds to me like your partner is being a tad bit selfish in not allowing you to take a break, work the blood flow back into your lips, work out the stiff neck etc.  Maybe he doesnt understand how much pain your in and speaking to him about it would help also.  Along with your fear of not giving him the most pleasure possible because of this.

Hope you get it all figured out, and probably the dentist would understand if you simply said "when i give oral to my partner my jaw starts aching horribly after X amount of time, so i went and did some research online, and found some information about TMJ..I was wondering if this could be a cause."  or if thats still to forward for your comfort level, just simply say "during certain activies my jaw aches badly and i hear clicking/rubbing noises in my jaw, did some research and found some information on TMJ, and was wondering if thats what could be causing my problem."...Hopefully he wouldnt question what activies since it could mean chewing, talking, yawning...etc.  Good luck!

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RE: Head - 10/25/2006 12:56:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was going to suggest trying pre-head Altoid use - if all else fails, you could try to simulate it for him with a

http://www.fleshlight.com/main/index.php

and a lot of lube, or if money is no object you could try a

http://www.sybian.com/venusindex.html (some dommes have these and use them on bound subs at a slow torturous rate of speed)

IMO I wouldn't want to cause a sub that kind of nasty, non-fun pain and would be willing to look at suitable alternatives.


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RE: Head - 10/25/2006 3:04:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Head whats that ?? I missed yet again another Memo. but then again it is one of my only complaints

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