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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/21/2006 2:44:23 PM

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An excellent resourse that contribuites to the true christian theology and sayig this can more than likly get me excommunacated from the Holy Catholic Church (the Luthereans would take me lol) are the Gnostic Books. I THINK I recall something about Jesus taking a life only to revive the boy. The Gnostic library is such an awesome collection, having the gospels of Mary (Magdeliane) Thomas, and Judas. Along with other books of lost wisdom. also the Korean covers alot of the life of the Blessed Virgin Mary and hints to the fact Joseph had other sons, if tthey were Mary's sons too we will never know for sure. I have been holding off from talking here but after seeing the suggestion to learn about theology from a peice of fictional tripe, i just had to contribute a resouce that is actually fact.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/22/2006 5:16:11 AM

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I have been holding off from talking here but after seeing the suggestion to learn about theology from a peice of fictional tripe, i just had to contribute a resouce that is actually fact.

Thanks for your view.. but what tells you its tripe, moreover what tells you that your resource is 'actually fact'. That it came from gnostic library?

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/22/2006 5:38:43 AM

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Some would argue that organized religion and its 'positive message' has created more violence, corruption and intolerence in our society today than all the horror movies and heavy metal concerts combined. Whether you believe its a smaller number of christian fantatics or a much wider spectrum, either way it still throws a shadowing blanket over those of us who do claim ourselves as Dom/mes, subs, slaves and switchs. Here is an article I found that suggests that while gays have been 'accepted'. BDSMers may be viewed and monitored in a much darker perspective. And if thats the case I speculate BDSM possibly branching off into different directions and/or different group orientations, perhaps underground..again.

http://www.sdnewsnotes.com/ed/articles/2006/0609no.htm

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/22/2006 7:28:19 AM

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I have been holding off from talking here but after seeing the suggestion to learn about theology from a peice of fictional tripe, i just had to contribute a resouce that is actually fact.

Thanks for your view.. but what tells you its tripe, moreover what tells you that your resource is 'actually fact'. That it came from gnostic library?

the fact it is a fictional movie makes it tripe, sorry but i do not think people can actually learn from movies or any media tthat is not based in FACT. I can not help that I consider first centry texts to be fact, it is the closes thing i have to that time period since i can not be there myself lol yes it is 2nd hand but it is better than fictional opinions, which take fact and twist is and regurgatate it 200x changed..... it's like the game telephone, ya know?

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St. Augustine - Blame Him or Thank Him? - 11/22/2006 8:33:09 AM

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“No book except the Bible itself had a greater influence on the Middle Ages than St. Augustine's The City of God. Saint Augustine was one of the foremost philosopher-theologians of early Christianity and the leading figure in the church of North Africa. He had a profound influence on the subsequent development of Western thought and culture, and shaped the themes and defined the problems that have characterized the Western tradition of Christian theology.”

As with life, history often comes to a “Y” in the road. St. Augustine is a bit of an enigma.
He started his early life as a devout Hedonist, that is, seeker of pure pleasure. Scholars and theologians alike, have used terms such as renegade, maverick, prince of debauchery, along with some other colorful terms to describe him. Before his conversion to Christianity, he lived a completely free spirited life. His interests lied with sex, sexuality, and conquest. Although I cannot quote specific writings regarding any practice of BDSM, it only seems logical that a man of such great zest for life, had to have partook at one time or another. So along the way he merrily went leaving at least one illegitimate child that we know of. One might conclude that he walked around with an erection 24/7.

Now … This dissertation is not about judging or slamming St. Augustine. Actually quite the contrary. He was, at some point, as every day human as you or I. Even after his conversion to Christianity, he recognized that Sex and Sexuality are God given and human, as evidenced by his prayer to God, that is, “Lord give me restraint and wisdom, regarding my sexual needs and desires - But Not Yet, I Am Not Quite Ready!” Ah ..
remember that fork in the road of history? Here we are. Which road do we take? The road that re-assures us that Sex and Sexuality are gifts from God, to be prized and used with wisdom (even or especially D/s). Or The road that tells us Sex and Sexuality are from Satan, that sex is bad, and evil? Sexual feelings should be repressed, guilt is a good thing, sex and sexuality are “Black or White issues”, and most importantly, non conformists must all be punished, or at best ostracized. I realize that the issue of sex and sexuality is a complex issue. Is not the answer as to which fork was taken apparent?

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RE: St. Augustine - Blame Him or Thank Him? - 11/22/2006 2:13:43 PM

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Damm ya mean theres hope for Me yet?? *teasing* lol.. Learn something new everyday. Thanks for sharing that Spanker

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RE: St. Augustine - Blame Him or Thank Him? - 11/22/2006 2:55:59 PM

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A whole bunch of points.

The Bible most of us are familiar with today derives from The Vulgate of St. Jerome which was the first(?) latin Bible. It was compiled around 400AD. Although some books were not considered definitely canon or not for centuries after this point, especially the Apocalypse of John which we now call Revalations.

The King James Bible most of us think of as the "Bible" is actually the 1769 revision of the original 1611 text and leaves out many books and parts of books rejected by the Church of England that are in the Vulgate and other Catholic Bibles.

As to whether any of the words attributed to Jesus of Nazareth are actual quotes, none of the Gospels were written by first person witnesses of the events and as a matter of fact the best evidence is that the gospels were written at least a century after the purported events. This makes me very strongly doubt that anything in the Gospel of John or the Synoptic Gospels are actual quotations.

On another point, I have seen films made by the US government about STD's that were shown to US troops during WWII. So it is quite clear that STD's flourished before the supposed sexual revolution. As a matter of fact they had to be since these disease organisms can only survive in humans and can only be spread by the most intimate of contact.

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RE: St. Augustine - Blame Him or Thank Him? - 11/22/2006 3:38:24 PM

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Army units used to report std rates, and these reports are available going back to the early 1900s. If the soldiers had std's, who did they get them from, and what happened before they were cured- if their diseases were curable. Some, such as syphillis, were not.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/23/2006 5:11:21 AM

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Ok great, but lets not get off-rail and stay on the OP of how do you view christianity and if and how it effects you as a lifestyler in WIITWD. Thanks

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RE: St. Augustine - Blame Him or Thank Him? - 11/23/2006 12:22:45 PM

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Yup, thanks for sharing Ken

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/23/2006 12:25:23 PM

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Ahh ok.. thanks for reiterating

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/23/2006 12:48:14 PM

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very good point SLT, back to the OP, I feel that embracing the the tenets of being a good christan help me to accept my submissive nature. As I submit to my Lord on this earth, my husband who God placed before me and intended me to serve and adore. Sometimes I must swallow my pride and do as commanded, even if I do not agree with the course of action taken, and support my Lord. The longer i am on this path i feel the Holiness of it and it changes how i interact with the world on a whole. By no means do i mean perfect when i say Holy, they are not one and same at all, I am far far from perfect but everyday I try to obtain that state of grace.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/24/2006 4:48:48 AM

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very good point SLT, back to the OP, I feel that embracing the the tenets of being a good christan help me to accept my submissive nature. As I submit to my Lord on this earth, my husband who God placed before me and intended me to serve and adore. Sometimes I must swallow my pride and do as commanded, even if I do not agree with the course of action taken, and support my Lord. The longer i am on this path i feel the Holiness of it and it changes how i interact with the world on a whole. By no means do i mean perfect when i say Holy, they are not one and same at all, I am far far from perfect but everyday I try to obtain that state of grace.

Granted, none of U/us are perfect. What makes you feel this 'holiness', the fact your married or that you have D/s elements in your union. Although your nic suggests BDSM as a whole.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/24/2006 8:50:20 AM

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no my path to Holiness is encompassed in everything I do, everything, not just the lifestyle choice I have choosen but how I interact with people and my family on a day to day bases. I used the example of my relationship cause this is a BDSM forum and I did not think anyone would be interested in anything outside of that area. lol
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it is the struggle I have within myself, pride, I sometimes have too much pride which makes me defient and obnoxious, when I feel like rebelling from the natural order of our life (D/s) I turn to the bible to remind me of a true mans higher placement over me, which allows me to accept this hierarchy..... did that make sense, i have only had one cup of coffee so far.........

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/24/2006 9:20:42 AM

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How do we actually know that the 'red' written words were in fact of Jesus himself. What concrete proof is there? Da Vinci code?

Speaking for myself.... what religion I have is bound up in the concepts of love and kindness. These are what make up god himself, and we as well, if we let it. Wherever you find love and kindness, you've found god.

Or, as the Dali Lhama said, "My only religion is kindness."

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/24/2006 9:40:52 AM

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Ohhhhhhhhh Yummmmmmm, Level! I do so love how you think!

I love the example of the godliness within us as being as though 'God' were a holigram; fractured...so that (as is true for a holigram) each piece (or person) contains the whole of the original.

For that reason, I try to remember to honor the godliness within every person (though I admit I sometimes fail at this...).

I have not read this entire thread; I think it'd be just too painful. It amazes me how UN-Christlike some 'christians' can be. The actual man was not judgemental and led more by belief, inclusion and example than moralizing, exclusion and snobbery. It's a shame more Christians don't remember the life of the man Jesus.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/24/2006 9:43:14 AM

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Hi bearlee *hugs*....... I like the hologram idea, I do think that god is indeed within us all.

I haven't read the whole thread either lol, though I may give it a shot.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/24/2006 9:51:23 AM

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Thanks Level, Sir...

You might appreciate this little piece of my childhood: My mother used to tell my brothers and me that saying things like "I'm stupid" or "I can't do it" or "I'm no good" were real examples of using God's name in vain. No, we didn't get to swear either (LOL), but I rather liked her thinking on this...

<hugs back...but not too tightly; lordy I'm STILL full!!!>
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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/24/2006 9:52:13 AM

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It amazes me how UN-Christlike some 'christians' can be. The actual man was not judgemental and led more by belief, inclusion and example than moralizing, exclusion and snobbery. It's a shame more Christians don't remember the life of the man Jesus.
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Amen! That is what stopped me from being christan in the first place but I have learned since then that I am not one to judge whether one is christan or not and just focus on the truth within.... as only God can sit in judgement.

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RE: "Christian" BDSM? - 11/24/2006 9:56:00 AM

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I do appreciate that. I think your mom was quite wise by teaching ya'll that.

As for being full......... oh yeah! I sneezed a while ago and was afraid ham or stuffing would come out....

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