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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 10:32:51 AM

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" I have made the argument several times in my life that "facts" don't exist, at all, either.
But they are sometimes an interesting starting point for discussion. "

...in my opinion, it is hard to disagree with the sentiment implicit and explicit in this quote. Given that all surveys must be viewed with due reference to the weakness of such things, map/territory errors, these fora have a clear meta-purpose of generating interesting discussions that diverge from the OP ...
Sometimes i find these things illuminating and they can change my opinion. An example of this is when i engaged in a gun control debate some years ago, elsewhere. A well-constructed and honestly expressed argument changed my position on the subject. Sometimes these fora become much more ideological....usually along partisan lines, but sometimes along more esoteric lines. In such areas we inevitably become more entrenched, as it is usually these areas which we feel most closely define ourselves.
....back to the OP......maybe it's because conservatives would express the idea from the original quote of this post in the first person (I have made the argument several times.....) and liberals, with their scrupulousl academic background would phrase it in the third (It has been argued by several authorities....). Thus creating in conservatives a more self satisfied view of the universe..........

It's as good an explanation of the poll results as anything else.....in my opinion.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 10:36:52 AM

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So what you are basically saying is that we should be sneakier with our snarks and disguise them in ways like "I find your post to be juvenile and immature" and then we are not violating the TOS, and others could couch their post to you as "I think you are a hypocritical SOB, but that is just my opinion based upon the words in your post" and then they are within the lines of the TOS... I see how it works, as long as one is stealth, their A-OK.. got it!

*laughs* I think you got it a long time ago, Julia.

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I repeat... I find your posts juvenile...

and

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Hmmmm, I do not find you mature, I find you snarky.

But that is just my opinion...

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 10:50:56 AM

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...in my opinion, it is hard to disagree with the sentiment implicit and explicit in this quote. Given that all surveys must be viewed with due reference to the weakness of such things, map/territory errors, these fora have a clear meta-purpose of generating interesting discussions that diverge from the OP ...
Sometimes i find these things illuminating and they can change my opinion. An example of this is when i engaged in a gun control debate some years ago, elsewhere. A well-constructed and honestly expressed argument changed my position on the subject. Sometimes these fora become much more ideological....usually along partisan lines, but sometimes along more esoteric lines. In such areas we inevitably become more entrenched, as it is usually these areas which we feel most closely define ourselves.

Excellent point, philosophy. The last comment is especially important.

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....back to the OP......maybe it's because conservatives would express the idea from the original quote of this post in the first person (I have made the argument several times.....) and liberals, with their scrupulousl academic background would phrase it in the third (It has been argued by several authorities....). Thus creating in conservatives a more self satisfied view of the universe..........

Some of my training in younger days was in the academic environment, and I can see what you are saying, but I was later exposed to a couple of ideas that I have found that generally make for more effective communications.

One is to "take ownership" of something you are expressing as an opinion, rather than attributing it to "authorities". The "authorities" become supporting data in your argument. This makes it somewhat easier to avoid the "appeal to authority fallacy".

A second is to never use the passive voice if you can eliminate it. It makes for a more straight forward presentation.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 10:54:06 AM

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I also think that liberals aren't as happy as conservatives because they tend to worry about things over which they have no control.
Fill in the blanks.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 11:06:43 AM

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They give good head, you know.

No, dahling - it's the CONSERVATIVES who will swallow anything!

Oh? And look at the LIBERALS and "Global-Warming."
They just can't recognise a "U.N." money scam when it slaps them in the face.
And, we've poured in hundreds of billions into Africa over the last 40 years at the prodding of guilt ridden Liberals and to what result?

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 11:18:40 AM

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And, we've poured in hundreds of billions into Africa over the last 40 years at the prodding of guilt ridden Liberals and to what result?

I consider myself fairly liberal, and you don't need anyone anywhere to inform you that I am not the least bid guilt ridden about anything.

These type of things are not as all-encompassing a conclusion as they never appear to be.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 11:20:41 AM

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The respect of posters such as yourself doesn't interest me in the least. It's a cheap commodity, easily purchased, and just as easily lost.

You're completely wrong here (since you are addressing posters like me) -- respect is very difficult to gain and it only comes after showing you deserve it over a period of time; once gained it isn't easily lost because it was so hard to earn. On the other hand, it is easy for a fool to prove that he doesn't deserve it. Perhaps you are projecting your own opinions about respect onto me; regardless, you shouldn't try to read my mind again if you can't do any better than that.

Perhaps the quoted part deserves a few style points because it sounded nice, but unfortunately like so many of your facts and opinions there is more style than substance to it.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 11:24:03 AM

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Oh, you forgot your original posts on the same thread, but that is the way you both do things, insult people for what you do, and they call that (fill in blank)________.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 11:28:20 AM

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And, we've poured in hundreds of billions into Africa over the last 40 years at the prodding of guilt ridden Liberals and to what result?

So the conservative money men via the IMF, WTO, World Bank and the various American "aid" contractors can suck 90% of it right back, after kicking a healthy portion to their local bag men.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 11:35:42 AM

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The respect of posters such as yourself doesn't interest me in the least. It's a cheap commodity, easily purchased, and just as easily lost.

You're completely wrong here (since you are addressing posters like me) -- respect is very difficult to gain and it only comes after showing you deserve it over a period of time; once gained it isn't easily lost because it was so hard to earn. On the other hand, it is easy for a fool to prove that he doesn't deserve it. Perhaps you are projecting your own opinions about respect onto me; regardless, you shouldn't try to read my mind again if you can't do any better than that.

Perhaps the quoted part deserves a few style points because it sounded nice, but unfortunately like so many of your facts and opinions there is more style than substance to it.

happy, you're just a hoot.

Let me 'splain it to ya ....

I have no interest in the "respect" of people such as yourself i.e. people who I have little respect for myself.

If I wanted your respect, the formula is pretty easy: Come into a couple of threads, make disparaging and slightly humorous remarks about anyone or any idea that can be labelled "conservative", and that shows that you buy into all the "liberal" ideas, no matter how far-fetched.

If you are funny, and good with words, and can do it with belittling sarcasm your in posts, you become a member of the "liberal majority".

Double points if you can successfully bait a "conservative" and get them frothing at the mouth.

Triple points if you can think up a new and unique way to insult the president.

Actual thought and deep reflection not usually required.

To lose that "respect", all you have to do is disagree with the "in crowd" of yes men (and women), hangers-on, and one shot, drive-by posters.

As I said, a cheap commodity. Easy to purchase. Easy to lose.

Without much value in my book.

YMMV, of course.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 11:46:18 AM

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This is silly....when it comes to foreign policy (I see the stampede coming), both Liberals and Conservatives (in this case to simplify matters we will bluntly say Democrats and Republicans disregarding the shades of grey and the relative meaning of these terms so loosely defined) are guilty of wars and useless foreign involvement...while true tha Liberals threw money at Africa, they somehow failed to realize they were propping up tyrants and dictatorships like Mobutu Sesse Seko in the Congo (ex-Zaire) among others like Mugabe in Zimbabwe (not anymore it seems thank God), and a long etc...Clinton bombed one of the few if not the only industrial complex in Sudan (a pharmaceutical company) and random bombings in the Afghan border regions killing mostly civilians...in response to the bombings of the American embassies in Nairobi (Kenya) and Dar-es-Salaam (Tanzania)...not to mention what democrats did in the past in terms of interventions around the world, really to many to state. The Republicans are not far behind in promoting coups in foreign lands, supporting dictatorships when it suited them as well, and recently by thinking that they could get in and out of Iraq, "imposing" democracy on a people that don't understand a democratic system nor know how to work it without vices...this would take several decades. At least the Democrats never had such high lofty ideas as imposing a democracy on other sovereign states....

As to answer the original question....if we equate (wrongly in my opinion) "conservative" as being equal to "republican" then they are happier because they live in bliss thinking that the war has been won in Iraq, that an "evil tyrant worst than Hitler" has been brought down and that Iraqis should be grateful...they fail to see even now the quagmire with no end in sight they walked in, the failure it has brought to Iraq (even a worse situation) and senseless chaos and killings it has brought to American troops there and Iraqi civilians. If we equate (wrongly again in my opinion) liberal being equal to democrat, well at least they finally woke up to reality and see that Bush was wrong all along....(true with some very minor exceptions here and there).

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 12:13:54 PM

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Perhaps another reason is that liberals sometimes seem so emotional. Their policies are often based on emotion, rather than logic. Sometimes they remind me of Reverend Love Joy's wife...wringing their hands and shouting, "But what about the children?!"

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 12:15:57 PM

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"liberals sometimes seem so emotional. Their policies are often based on emotion, rather than logic. Sometimes they remind me of Reverend Love Joy's wife...wringing their hands and shouting, "But what about the children?!"

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...sometimes the opposite of liberals remind me of sociopaths, laughing into their sleeves and sniggering, "sod all the children".......it's all a matter of perspective.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 12:19:50 PM

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...sometimes the opposite of liberals remind me of sociopaths, laughing into their sleeves and sniggering, "sod all the children".......it's all a matter of perspective.

Well, that's an interesting "perspective" you have. My "perspective" is that the other side has done more damage than good for children.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 12:21:47 PM

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Well, that's an interesting "perspective" you have. My "perspective" is that the other side has done more damage than good for children.

Facts and citations!!!!

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 12:48:53 PM

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Ignorance is bliss.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 12:52:49 PM

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"liberals sometimes seem so emotional. Their policies are often based on emotion, rather than logic. Sometimes they remind me of Reverend Love Joy's wife...wringing their hands and shouting, "But what about the children?!" "

...sometimes the opposite of liberals remind me of sociopaths, laughing into their sleeves and sniggering, "sod all the children".......it's all a matter of perspective.

Now, see philosophy, this is typical of why I have such a hard time reaching people like you.

saskslave made a comment, stated an opinion, and the worst you could say was that he called "your side" emotional.

Your reaction? You call "his side" sociopathic.

And this contributes to an orderly, friendly and interesting discussion ... how, exactly?

Seems a little overblown and insulting, doesn't it?

Not to mention ... emotional?

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 1:07:42 PM

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Ok folks, that's just about enough. Please get back to the discussion at hand and stop playing "who can dance closest to the line before the mods get sick of this and take action". No one wins at that game.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 1:19:41 PM

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This may be wrong ... but my observation is that the moderators give us a bit more leeway in this section.

I'm thankful for it. By it's very nature, most of the subject matter discussed here will polarize people relatively quickly.

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RE: Why are conservatives happier than liberals? - 11/14/2006 1:25:37 PM

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Caitlyn, yes, I believe in the First Amendment.
Oh, and all the other ones too!

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