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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 9:05:20 AM

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i did not think it was.....glad you cleared that up mod11

MisstressSevanna, i am reallly impressed at the time care and even-temperedness that you are displaying with each post....you are being baited but not taking the bait ...that is rare....good luck with your efforts...its so weird that it is so threatening to folks.

but then maybe i am missing something...

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 9:11:42 AM

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Maybe its because its Sunday and I'm grumpy but it seems to me that the OP has decided that we are:

All in need of education
Probably aren't qualified to be doing bdsm (and I wonder who gets to make that decision?)
Are largely dense and really need to understand that probably "the Core" are the only ones doing WIITWD the right way.
We are people who can't figure out that most online sites don't care about the people that come there

And the list goes on. What the OP seems to fail to realize is that this site is full of people who have a number of years of experience in this, (as well as those who don't) and can decide for themselves where to go online or offline and are content to exchange ideas about WIITWD without feeling compelled to promote their own particular version of that.

Maybe it would have gone over better to get acquainted a bit first.

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 10:00:03 AM

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yeah maybe you are right on some levels, there is a bit of boldness and urgency to her posts...but that is the way of passionate people...these are the people in this life that care about something and then live it....honestly i wish i had that passion....

we all have laughed at the crocodile hunter, but who amoung us can say we lived/loved life as fully?

i personally dont think she was saying none of us know anything about bdsm and that only her group does, i think she was adressing what she and her freinds see as a need in the communinty and telling folks about it.

i dont think she eversaid we were not qualified to do BDSM its just that some folks did not qualify for her group...i dont qualify for professional football but it is not something i am angry about...and i can still enjoy football in my yard with my friends...

what i dont understand is that her post was about two things...the lack of community and responsibility at alt...which is a community hub, one of the biggest kink sites on the web, and they do not take any kind of role in the lifestyle but they do take our money....

and...that her group sees a need for education for new folks...who can argue that?...if you dont need eduacation...thats awesome! but there are some that would use a safe call hotline if there was one ....so if it saves one person from damage...that is cool no?

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 10:21:34 AM

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Well at least fitznicely was nice enough to fit into her group and join the TIC community. Shes got a new memeber!
Listen, hats off to anyone who would start their own group like savanna has. It cant be an easy road to travel.

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 10:22:13 AM

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My problem, Crouching, is that, unlike professional football, there are no formal qualifications in BDSM. Therefore, anyone who sets themselves up as defacto Guardians first and foremost has a duty to proclaim their own worthiness and criteria.

One does not simply ride into town and declare oneself sherriff without expecting to prove one's worth.

How do any of us know whether they'll declare us all unworthy and descend on all future threads with holier-than-thou, dictatorial edicts?

It's far more likely she'll just fade into the background as most others do, but when someone introduces themselves that stridently, they do have to expect some kind of negative response.

If you have a look around at her website and what's left of her community on Alt, you do get the distinct impression that it's a bit "Cult of Savanna" - she signs herself "goddess" for a start (OK, a lot of Dommes do, but they don't all go around declaring themselves "Defenders of Freedom and Guardians of Life" - I hope)

Also, it's been my experience that those with authority and experience rarely feel the need to talk about it. More often than not, it's the people they've helped and inspired that spread the word.

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 10:28:39 AM

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Very nicely put Sharainks, thats exactly how the post read to me too.

But doesn't the 'core' sound soooo exciting, all those 'Guardians' running about with their cyberguns protecting the world ....... oooh im impressed....reminded me of the Matrix....... then I looked at their website - think I prefer Ebay

But, good luck with your site Savanna..... if it makes you tick, then good for you!

*goes back to her favourite site to look for one of those cyberguns

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 10:31:00 AM

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Obviously you haven't been watching the Detroit Lions.

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My problem, Crouching, is that, unlike professional football, there are no formal qualifications in BDSM.

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 10:35:49 AM

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You're absolutely right there, LAM

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 10:40:13 AM

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ORIGINAL: gooddogbenji

Colour me cynical, but no one does anything of its intrinsical goodness. They do it because it is right, which makes them feel good, or because its a good cause, which makes them feel good, or anything else that makes them happy.

Nothing wrong with that, just think we should look that fact in the eye.

Now, we have a poster here who vows to bring another site down, because they are perceived as evil. Now, this same person has a

quote:

DISDAIN FOR ANYONE WHO CAPITALIZES ON THE MISFORTUNE OF OTHERS

If we assume my original statement to be true, that would make it seem that this poster was trying to gain personal satisfaction out of destroying someone else's work.

Nothing wrong with any of this, unless we dislike double standards (I have nothing against them, I think we all have them)

Just food for thought.

Yours,

Buddha Benji

Yup. It sounds to me like someone trying to convince others to drink their KoolAid rather than the brand being offered on the other site....

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 10:47:28 AM

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The only thing that bothers me Savannah is when you say, "I post here, ..as a personal vendetta,". Thats just not right. And while I understand completely what it is to be personally damaged by outside forces, I wish that you had said you post here for another reason.

And if that's not a compelling reason NOT to get involved with an individual or their group because of their ethics....I don't know what is. *hands Sophia the Golden Hammer Award for hitting it right on.*

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 10:53:29 AM

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MistressSavanna can hold her own. I love it! I agree that she sure isn't taking the bait.

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 10:56:38 AM

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Opps where's my popcorn?

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 11:00:41 AM

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As in all things, time will tell.

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 11:15:56 AM

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MistressSavanna can hold her own. I love it! I agree that she sure isn't taking the bait.

Stacy, she is the bait.

~stef

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 11:40:29 AM

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Dear Tigress,

No, I have not tried Craig's list, and that is an interesting possibility.
I live in New York, which is the unofficial BDSM capitol of The United States.

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! Don't let Phoenix, AZ hear that! Their disillusionment will be catastrophic!!

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 12:17:45 PM

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The International Core is not for everyone. It is a group of individuals that observe the protocol of traditional lifestyle values, in addition to upholding the personal values of honor and integrity.

Out of curiosity... what exactly ARE the "protocol of traditional lifestyle values", where do they come from, and what is your source for this information?

John

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 12:34:50 PM

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And while I commend you for looking out for those who you feel are unable to do so themselves; this post of yours sounds more like an advertisement than anything else.

Amen, kalira.

Alt.com is a business. Big deal. If you don't like the way they do business, don't spend your money there. What I'm reading here is a lot of self-promotion, and a lot of "let's get revenge on those bastards because they canceled my account." Who the heck is Core International and how does someone get to be president? Were there public elections? Did they use Diebold voting machines? (couldn't resist taking a dig there, everyone who has HBO, go watch the documentary "Hacking Democracy." It's amazing and a bit alarming as well.)

Back to your regular programming. I'm sure the original poster has some good intentions. Problem is, her methods turn me off, and I have hard time taking anyone seriously or supporting their cause when I feel like they're trying to hard to "sell" something. In this case, she's selling her own reputation, trying to elevate herself in my eyes by making herself look important. Maybe she IS important. But she's way too full of herself for my taste. I'd flush her importance right down the toilet if I had the chance.

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 12:36:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: mistresssavanna

I remain on ALT, not as a paid member and not to solicit for potential partners but to maintain a presence that many have come to rely on. The blogs are viewable without joining the site, so I encourage all to read them.

This is the part I don't understand. Why remain somewhere which is the polar opposite of your own core value? It seems as though you remain for others at the expense of your own integrity.

quote:

I agree with you about the integrity of ALT.

I don't believe I voiced any opinion about the integrity of ALT, just your own in relation to how you view it.

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The International Core is not for everyone. It is a group of individuals that observe the protocol of traditional lifestyle values, in addition to upholding the personal values of honor and integrity.

Which are subjective are they not? My own standards of honor and integrity would not allow me to remain on a site which I felt held opposing or opposite values to my own.

My own values also do not allow me to seek profit which is one of the highlights in TIC's mission statement and it's why a site such as TIC would not be in line with my own standards. As such, I could not join such an organization that seeks to profit from BDSM but I'm all for capitalism, so do wish you luck and adequate gross revenues. ::chuckles::

quote:

Sure, this may sound like a candy-ass statement, and there are many players who will continue to be offended by My words, but, as I have done so in the past, and will continue to state My opinion, because there are many more that agree with Me than do not.

Possibly, but rather doubtful that such a statement can be proven true without empirical evidence to support it. You seek to make profit and educate, promoting safety and mentoring .. all of which is well and good, but with only 80 some odd members, you don't have a bottom line to really worry about at this time. If/when you get to the point where you have 100,000+ members and are comparable with sites such as alt and b.com, it won't be so easy to satisfy everyone because the sheer enormity of numbers will prevent it.

I only speak as a former business owner who was not in the business of BDSM though, so perhaps there is a rose-colored view of a business model when one skews it through BDSM of which I am unaware.

The way I read your mission statement is that TIC seeks to be a for profit educational resource and if it works, great, kudos to you for it, but you will be contesting with those of us out here who are more than happy to give advice such as we have through our experiences of BDSM and D/s for several years, who are willing to listen, mentor, promote education and safety .. and do so free of charge for no reason other than we'd like to see people walk a path which brings them some happiness and joy as we have gained by walking the paths before them .. a pay it forward sort of attitude and there are several who do so on this site alone.

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Time will tell, yes of course. People are threatened by My very presence here and I expected this.

I haven't seen any evidence that anyone is threatened by your presence here. Perhaps that's my own objectivity which reads the words and doesn't impart my own perceptions to them.

quote:

I did not expect the level of hostility, (not from you), but again, I can deal with this.

I would never suggest you couldn't deal with pretty much anything thrown out at you, but I would probably suggest that you not equate those who have genuine questions and concerns with being hostile to your endeavors. I mean, until I'm sure of you, I am just as passionate about protecting and guarding those who are new from groups like yours simply because of the $ issue. You have set the bar high and I sincerely hope it doesn't get to the point where you have to limbo under it because you can no longer jump over it.

Good luck to TIC,

Celeste

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 12:37:38 PM

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Ah john, knew you would make it....hi again...too bad about the chess.....she has not said yet...but i too hope that she will talk more about qualifications.

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RE: The Other BDSM Personals Sites - 11/26/2006 1:05:39 PM

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This is the part I don't understand. Why remain somewhere which is the polar opposite of your own core value? It seems as though you remain for others at the expense of your own integrity.

Celeste - how do you pull those out of the bag? I laughed so hard I cried!

The international core - now, let see: A free php board, a rudimentory website that has adverts on it for what purpose? To PAY for it! Well, guess what - that is what the members of Alt and B.com do - pay for the site. They are an online business and if this woman thinks she can bring them to their knees she is obviously very mistaken. They are a business and businesses like to make money for those who own the business - did I mention they were a business?

Now on to the Sab certification of BDSMD/sM/s sick bastards level 1 classification which incorperate level 2 foundation course of stripping the skin off a slave unlike a Gorean but with Gorean implications in the now defunct M/s level 6 use of the aforementioned level 2 core tutorial.

You have all passed! So now you are qualified to be perverts! Does that work?

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