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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/14/2006 6:19:33 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline
The point I was making is that ----- in this one thread and the few postings we have exchanged where there was no previous mention of "Christians", you decried them about ten times in seperate vehemently made statements.


They're people who base their lifestyles and beliefs on a book, just like Goreans do.  And like Goreans, there are bad apples in this barrel as well as good ones.  The bad ones who behave themselves in ways that are unethical or antisocial are not considered "real" by the good ones who strive to conduct themselves in an honorable manner.  So I think it's an excellent comparison.


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This is akin to saying - "I hate purple people - although some of them are good friends..."


No, it's more akin to saying "there is no group of people of any color that does not include some really bad/dangerous/unsavory individuals."


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So under those auspices -  Then "Mein Kampf" would be acceptable as a basis for people to go on about their 'beliefs' in your eyes?


I don't care what other people believe as long as it does not lead them to infringe upon the rights of others.  If someone wants to believe that they are superior because they are white, I will think that they are stupid, but I can't say that I care much unless they extrapolate those beliefs into behaviors that cause problems for other people.


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Personally there are a list of philosophys (based in books) I find either offensive or insulting, poorly defined or amply defined as meaning something I am opposed to...


There are a lot of beliefs that I find silly or illogical.  But I respect other people's rights to hold them, as long as they don't expect me to agree with them or to tolerate actions based on those beliefs that are harmful to others.

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And, thank you for allowing the opinion... it was the only one I had at the time and therefore a real find  and one I am considering keeping if I can get the upholstery of it to match the veneer I have in the den


Hey, everyone's entitled to my opinion. 

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/14/2006 7:12:13 PM   
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Tal Bull,

I for one am not defending anything, it may appear to others that way but everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just interject when I want to.

As far as this being the opposite of what you intending, I think many have learned a few things about Goreans. Other will just ignore it and just be an ass. I think conflict sometimes brings about good results just as much as calm discussions. As Najakcharmer has pinted out, every group as good and bad apples. It is the natural way of things after all.

Orion


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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Greetings everyone,

I want to quickly interject a short, well short for me, post about the cyber tussle my initial post created. First, I was talking to someone not so long ago about me views and this person voiced theirs. Now when it came down to it on that particular topic we were actually quite similar in our views. We discussed the point that it’s do to the assumptions and baseless prejudices that different lifestyles have that instill these disputes. So I thought. I then thought that if I participated in forums outside of the Gorean forum and didn’t try to ram my point of view down someone’s throat perhaps it would create a bit of understanding. And I might make a few friends along the way.

I regret that I am not schooled to a large degree in self expression through the written word. Perhaps I can correct that deficiency with a comp lit and English 101 course. I try my best, but quite obviously I have fallen short here, and what has ensued is a plain ass mess, I would ask the Goreans that are trying to defend our position to refrain from an attempt that is now faced with stubborn bias, much the same way we are now looking at their point. I blame myself for this very argument. I should have in having difficulty at first conveying my message either one just deferred to a more competent speak, ask a skilled composer of written words to help or just realized as I was on someone else’s turf simply withdrawn. I failed on several counts.

I do not wish for my failure to persist and take what was a valid question and create a complete mess of this or any thread. What I had hoped to do, is in effect creating the complete opposite. I was not up to the task that I had sought out to accomplish and in effect made it worse. I suppose I’m not the first to have tried this and that would most likely explain why we have separate boards. I will still read and maybe even post in any or all threads but I have learned a valuable enough lesson about my limits in this exercise.

I would hope that we could all turn back to the valid question that the OP did ask and I assume that I and some others have answered well enough some of our own worthiness to at least some of life’s questions.

Again I have no actual power over anyone here, no more than they do I, but I would ask that we stop the bashing or posturing against one another and spend our energies in a more constructive manner. I would hate for the Mods to have to close a thread that has worthy merit.

I wish you all well and a most happy holiday season,

Bull

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/14/2006 7:41:41 PM   
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Dear Sirseeksslave, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
In my mind's I see, an individual who identifies themself as a SIR or Master and or Dominant, must put their own life in order and master that first, then be yourself.
 
In life, regardless in the lifestyle and or in life in general; we (in general terms) package ourself for public consumption.  However, if the package is not containing what is 'advertised' you'll not get what you seek.  The same applies for slaves and Masters a like.
 
In my personal experiences, I haven't chased after slaves.  I let slaves find me.  When I look--it seems I cannot find.  When I do not wish to find, I seemingly am a magnet.  And, there is a thing called 'trying to hard.'  Not good for anybody and will cause one to become gray haired before your time.  Word is your bond and or oath.  Do as you promise and do not promise anything and or anybody, that you have any hint of doubt that you can keep.  Be good to people and treat them with respect, even if it isn't returned.  Most times the most profound things happen without a word uttered or in some drama or big production of causing attention to yourself.  Be a giver.  By being a giver, doesn't mean throwing away gold, riches and or things.  It means giving of yourself.  Using your gifts, talents and knowledge--you give to others.  It then enriches those around you and draws givers back to you.
 
I do wish you much success on your quest and finding a match in a slave.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/14/2006 8:05:55 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline
The point I was making is that ----- in this one thread and the few postings we have exchanged where there was no previous mention of "Christians", you decried them about ten times in seperate vehemently made statements.


They're people who base their lifestyles and beliefs on a book, just like Goreans do.  And like Goreans, there are bad apples in this barrel as well as good ones.  The bad ones who behave themselves in ways that are unethical or antisocial are not considered "real" by the good ones who strive to conduct themselves in an honorable manner.  So I think it's an excellent comparison.


If you are reaching for an example, might I suggest your use of some generic sort of inference?
 
The way you carry on with it as a personalized mantra devolves the conversation to a timbre of "I am ok, you are OK (as long as you follow MY definition of how you ought to worship and use that so called thing you call a bible while practicing that Christianity thing that has so many hypocrits in it that I hate"
 
It is can be more than rather grating. 

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This is akin to saying - "I hate purple people - although some of them are good friends..."


No, it's more akin to saying "there is no group of people of any color that does not include some really bad/dangerous/unsavory individuals."


It might be 'a kin' to it - but if so, they are not (even) close cousins.
 
And, I could drive the point home more clearly - but, that would  be exceptionally insulting to you and make me the hypocrit...
 
Please, do consider this from a neutral perspective instead of trying to defend an indefensible entrenchment.

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So under those auspices -  Then "Mein Kampf" would be acceptable as a basis for people to go on about their 'beliefs' in your eyes?


I don't care what other people believe as long as it does not lead them to infringe upon the rights of others.  If someone wants to believe that they are superior because they are white, I will think that they are stupid, but I can't say that I care much unless they extrapolate those beliefs into behaviors that cause problems for other people.


But, that is their philosophical goal... and, they promise they shall get around to it.
 
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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/17/2006 4:28:35 PM   
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One does not consciously show someone they are worthy of being called Master. After a period of time (short or long), the slave will see you as someone they wish to serve or they won't.
Be yourself and your slave will come to you.
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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/18/2006 2:00:21 AM   
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greetings
 
i found some bita your stinker i am a dominant woman and i have been in the lifestlye for some years, and i do not know all i am sure you have ran in a not so good of a dom/domme . you come here for answer  right? so why does he because of the number of years make him a perfect match to all of the woman who come forth to him, ? give him a break and bita how are you i have not writing to you in a little some like reading as a child it take time i am sure he will be okay but busting his chomps will not help and this is also to other who may think they have the best times and not pick a rat for a dom so submissives are not ok just as any person so take care and this is not to be a thread it is friendly advice
 
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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/18/2006 5:11:19 PM   
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Yeah, they can judge and scorn us because our kink doesn't come from a novel, that's okay.



Greetings Katy,

Just a thought.   What about the people whom live through the BDSM world, revelling in the world of..O..or Lady Chatterly's Lover..or..some Mills and Boon crap...LOl...I hope you understand what I mean?

People get their inspirations and lives that they wish to lead, either through BDSM of Gor, through books and material that they have read off the net or in their own library.

A person SHOULD live by their phylosophies that they have gained through their reading of the material, do you not think so?  Give a novel to a 100 people, and you would get 50 different answers.  Are they wrong, no, simple.  Every one has their own lives, how they live it, is up to them, and if they don't bother me, well let them be, I say.

Be well and take care.

Master Frank Ar.


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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/18/2006 5:32:08 PM   
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Hello Frank,I agree totally with your post, thank you for that, Im afraid little katy, unfortunately has not understood a word I said or what any of the other Goreans have said. That..Goreans live by a novel remark is and has been a beat horse, the poor critter is dead for heavens sake...lol...let it be...yes we live by a philos, appearing in the books, but a philos that has been around way before those books. I had stated in one of my posts, Live and let live. I agree with you, they dont bother us and we dont bother them, so to speak, but it is the ignorance of some few, that gets frustrating is all. Anyways, Im not gonna get all (longwinded) *smirks*, I just wanted to show my appreciation to your words, I wish you well and Happy Holidays.....Maahsatti

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/18/2006 6:37:46 PM   
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i have found that BDSM and Gorean philosophy share commonalities, but do differ in some ways. This is not the point i want to make though. i think there is a far greater and simpler one to be made here.

Though they do share an understanding in dominance and submissiveness...both Gorean philosophy & BDSM have been "built" on something that was "there long before" the term BDSM or any Gor novel was ever written.

SOooo...neither can be said to be the proverbial "egg" that was laid before the "chicken" .....

It comes down to this.....

i am a female...i have an instinctual need to serve, to submit, to be cared for, provided for, to feel safe, to nurture, to love.
i want to be taken...yes..i want to feel his strength in the way his hands hold my wrists...in the way his chest crushes mine.
i want to be beautiful, to be desired, cherished....i want to know HE can handle me...teach me...correct me, for in all these things, i am truly free to be female ..free to become the best i can be.

When i see a man i am attracted to, my body comes alive, heat builds and i want to be taken...to be claimed...
If the days still exisited when supposed cavemen used to throw their women over their backs and did as they pleased...you wouldn't hear any complaining from this slave...*s*

As it is for the female, the male also has instincts and needs coming from being the "Beast" that he is....*chuckle*

That being said, as a slave to my Master...i have learned a great deal about my femininity from the Gorean novels, as well as from my Master.
i cannot say that BDSM has taught me anything really..(that is not a put down either). i only mean that BDSM is more of an arena to carry out various desires and instincts... and the Gorean realm more of a classroom where i have learned a great deal about myself...my Master...other men and women....

(and no..i dont roleplay..i "REALplay"..*L* ...hey wait...maybe i should copyright that term...lol)
When Master and i are talking, meeting somewhere, out for dinner, alone in our room...whatever we are doing..nothing changes...i am His slave and He is Master. Period. Its not a role....it is reality.

One last remark about John Norman....Its not the storyline within the novels that are so life changing....it is the "meat" in the words he writes. Norman is both an Anthroplogist and a Sociologist....which would explain why he knows so much about the natural instincts and make-up of both male and female.

Merry Christmas to Everyone....
aslaveflower


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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/18/2006 7:24:02 PM   
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in my mind the only thing a slave needs to be worthy ...is the disire ...the true heartlfelt desire to serve ...and not just be looking for "kinky sex"

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/18/2006 10:59:46 PM   
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One last remark about John Norman....Its not the storyline within the novels that are so life changing....it is the "meat" in the words he writes. Norman is both an Anthroplogist and a Sociologist....which would explain why he knows so much about the natural instincts and make-up of both male and female.



You know, not every person with an "ist" at the end of their title is right.

Not every man is dominant. Not every woman is submissive. We know this looking at the world around us. I respect Gor (though not every Gorean) but I agree with Naja about the science of Gor.

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/19/2006 12:39:10 AM   
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<snerk!>  John Norman despises BDSM, and the practitioners thereof - including the Goreans.  He thinks it should all be fantasy roleplay to spice up the bedroom.

From his fiction, some folks created a subculture, based upon the philosophy in his fiction.  Hell, it helped bring me up - the first I'd ever read about it being okay to make a female subservient to a man.  It founded a subculture in much the same way R.A.H.'s _Stranger in a Strange Land_ did - but both subcultures are pretty far from being mainstream.  That's okay - I'm mostly not terribly close to mainstream myself.

I've seen Goreans (and SF fans) go overboard - the guy who called his pickup truck his tarn wierded me out in exactly the same way as the lass who tried to claim diplomatic immunity at Customs because she was wearing Vulcan ears.  Most, however, are decent folk, doing what works for them.

I just can't see a problem with that. 

Some folks like scat play - I'm probably never gonna understand it, but if they do it consensually, I don't NEED to understand it - I just gotta give them room to do what they want.

It's called freedom - the exact opposite of "everyone must have the same style" uniformity.  Personally, I prefer it - even if some of the practitioners do stuff I'll never do, or want to do.

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/19/2006 1:30:44 PM   
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You know, not every person with an "ist" at the end of their title is right.

Yes, of course ...that goes without saying. Norman is an author and the novels are sci-fi, but he does write within the fictional passages of each novel, various bits of information on what we as humans, have learned and studied, about male/female behaviors and instincts throughout the centuries.

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Not every man is dominant. Not every woman is submissive. We know this looking at the world around us. I respect Gor (though not every Gorean) but I agree with Naja about the science of Gor.

That is also true. Of course we see submissive men and dominant women. Believe it or not, i consider myself to be  dominant in many ways. Does that make me a Domme? No. For me, there is no greater pleasure than serving my Master with all that i have to give. Master could very be described as the "strong silent type"...lol. Does this make Him submissive? No. Of course not.

So, it seems that we can have certain traits that seem contrary to our instinctive natures. For example: a woman can be dominant in her career aspirations; perhaps by having her own company. While  a male can be very submissive in his social interactions, always being that "easy going" guy that everyone loves. Does that wipe out the millions of years of instinct and breeding within each gender, or change the testosterone and estrogen levels, muscle mass..ect..in either? No, it does not.

Even if subby john desires to serve his Mistress or Master ....and Domme Cheryl desires to master and own male and female subs/slaves, it is a "desired" choice. Sub john is still a man, and Mistress Cheryl is still female.

i respect others' freedom to choose whatever they desire. i do also have an opinion, which i hear is still allowed ..even on bulletin boards..*s*

So, here it is *s* whether anyone cares or not...it is my opinion that men were meant to dominate women, and women were meant to submit to men. Nature and science reveals this to us....the compositon of our bodies tell us this....as do the intense feelings and sexuality us females feel for strong, dominating males and vice-versa. But then, i know a lot of you out there already know this...lol...

Merry Christmas Everyone  

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/19/2006 1:50:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: aslaveflower

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You know, not every person with an "ist" at the end of their title is right.

Yes, of course ...that goes without saying. Norman is an author and the novels are sci-fi, but he does write within the fictional passages of each novel, various bits of information on what we as humans, have learned and studied, about male/female behaviors and instincts throughout the centuries.



That still doesn't make him right. Particularly since he apprently dissaproves of Gorean practices it's quite possible that it's just a novel. You find something wonderful in it, good for you.

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Not every man is dominant. Not every woman is submissive. We know this looking at the world around us. I respect Gor (though not every Gorean) but I agree with Naja about the science of Gor.

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That is also true. Of course we see submissive men and dominant women. Believe it or not, i consider myself to be  dominant in many ways. Does that make me a Domme? No. For me, there is no greater pleasure than serving my Master with all that i have to give. Master could very be described as the "strong silent type"...lol. Does this make Him submissive? No. Of course not.

So, it seems that we can have certain traits that seem contrary to our instinctive natures. For example: a woman can be dominant in her career aspirations; perhaps by having her own company. While  a male can be very submissive in his social interactions, always being that "easy going" guy that everyone loves. Does that wipe out the millions of years of instinct and breeding within each gender, or change the testosterone and estrogen levels, muscle mass..ect..in either? No, it does not.

Even if subby john desires to serve his Mistress or Master ....and Domme Cheryl desires to master and own male and female subs/slaves, it is a "desired" choice. Sub john is still a man, and Mistress Cheryl is still female.

i respect others' freedom to choose whatever they desire. i do also have an opinion, which i hear is still allowed ..even on bulletin boards..*s*



But of course. However, you must realize that just having an opinion doesn't make you right. Therefore, do not post things you don't want to have people disagreeing with. Not to say I'm always right. I'm not.

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So, here it is *s* whether anyone cares or not...it is my opinion that men were meant to dominate women, and women were meant to submit to men. Nature and science reveals this to us....the compositon of our bodies tell us this....as do the intense feelings and sexuality us females feel for strong, dominating males and vice-versa. But then, i know a lot of you out there already know this...lol...

Merry Christmas Everyone  


Submiting to a woman is not dominating her.When a man submits to a woman, he does not dominate her. Nature and science tells us nothing about dominantion but this is probably like telling a fundemental Christian that you might not want to take the Bible literally.

Men and women are equal by nature and science. We can do many of the same things. What we lack in physical strength, nature makes up for in emotional and intellectual ways. It has been proven that woman are far better multi-taskers then men. Nature designs us equal. We submit because we are submissive, regardless of our genders.

I want to thank you though, for showing me that a Gorean can be respectful of female dominants and male submissives. My experience with those who follow your lifestyle hasn't been pleasent. Thank you and my compliements on being a wonderful example.

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/20/2006 1:11:11 PM   
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Submiting to a woman is not dominating her.When a man submits to a woman, he does not dominate her. Nature and science tells us nothing about dominantion


Very true. When a man submits to a woman, She is dominating "him" ...why? Because She has chosen this, as he has.
It is mutual, and there are from what i hear....a lot of sub males...maybe even more than sub females. But let us look and ask ourselves...is it the way roles in our society have changed through the years? More women taking leadership roles, being a mom and a career woman, and more men feeling that in order to attract and keep their females, they must please them at all costs, perhaps by submitting more and more?
Roles have definately reversed in a lot of ways throughout the years. i have to go in a min so i cant elaborate more right now. *s*
One very important fact here though about nature and science. They do very much reflect domination and submission. Just look at the way animals mate, how the stronger male overpowers the female...or how the Alpha wolf male dominates his pack, having an alpha female who is most certainly sub to him. Does this mean the "she" in these reflections are weak beasts?? Certainly not....we all know its the lioness that ends up catching and killing prey most of the time.
Any ways....science, nature....studying mankind...its all there...animal instincts may get "covered" up throughout time and paradigm shifts in our ever changing societies, but there is no doubt an essence...a dominating genetic make-up to a male...and a submissiveness that is naturally there in the female. It doesn't mean each cant have a lil of each within themselves. but just that chemical make-up, the way we as females and males are built...it really says a great deal about the male and the female

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I want to thank you though, for showing me that a Gorean can be respectful of female dominants and male submissives. My experience with those who follow your lifestyle hasn't been pleasent. Thank you and my compliements on being a wonderful example.


You are very kind and i thank you for the discussion. It is always good to chat and see things from other people's perspectives ..isnt it? *smiles*
By the way,  i don't consider myself a gorean...*lil smile* though i find some great insights and truths within the John Norman novels.

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/20/2006 1:33:05 PM   
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More women taking leadership roles, being a mom and a career woman, and more men feeling that in order to attract and keep their females, they must please them at all costs, perhaps by submitting more and more?


There might be an element of truth to that, if it were not for the fact that submissive men are not "enduring" their submission when no other choice exists, they actually enjoy it and seek it out.  That's inconsistent with the portrayal of male submission as a learned response to societal pressures.
 
Much the same argument was made about human sexuality in the 1960's, and there are several now (in)famous studies in which male babies had their penis and testicles removed, underwent reconstructive surgery to create a vagina, took hormones at the appropriate age, and were raised entirely as girls.  Contrary to the thinking of that time (which has now been thoroughly discredited), they did not grow up identifying themselves as girls, they continued to identify as boys.
 
Fortunately, these awful experiments were halted and the poor victims underwent another series of reconstructive surgeries and hormones.  But by then, they had suffered irrepairable psychological and emotional damage.  This was an utter and complete repudiation of the effect of society on innate self-identification.

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One very important fact here though about nature and science. They do very much reflect domination and submission. Just look at the way animals mate, how the stronger male overpowers the female...or how the Alpha wolf male dominates his pack, having an alpha female who is most certainly sub to him.


This ignores the existence of matriarchal societies, such as that found in elephants.  It also ignores the fact that there are submissive male police officers, Marines, etc. (I've met many of them personally) that are more than capable of physically dominating the vast majority of Dominant males, and can have their choice of many submissive or Dominant women.  They choose Dominant women as being more compatible with their submissive selves.
 
John

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/20/2006 1:39:57 PM   
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 In regard to the OP: I believed myself worthy of owning my slave, and I believed myself worthy of marrying my husband, who is, by nature, submissive to me. I believed myself entitled to be loved and adored by people who aren't filled with ulterior motives, addictions, issues, arrest records, and incompatibilities that I would just have to overlook in order to get a man/woman. I don't mean this in an arrogant way, I believed myself as a *person* to be worthy of respect, genuinely oriented toward owning/domination and capable of being trusted with someone else's secrets, desires, and vulnerabilities, not that I was without fault or all-powerful but that I'd act with thought and caution and respect in turn.

As for the Gor or non Gor thing, hey whatever works for you. I just don't like being non-consensually dragged into your subculture when being referred to or spoken to, which is something that sometimes happens I notice. I also think people don't need to get as snarky or as uptight as they do about Gor -- there's never a reason to be totally uncivil to one another and I see some of that in this exchange.


< Message edited by Grlwithboy -- 12/20/2006 2:04:13 PM >

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/21/2006 11:12:28 AM   
desoutter


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great topic:
I agree with emdoub: Dont spend too much time on it - slave/sub will see it if your honest and honorable... cool.

I live my life a mile a minute - it seems. Everything has a place and time... for me... when I am involved with a sub - life is all over the place, confusing, frustrating, pain in the ass, disorganized, intense, helter skelter - who has time to worry about 'being worthy'...

A sub attracted to me has already come to terms with two very big things - 1: she trusts me and 2: she is giving herself over to me....
I dont think a slave/sub could even consider those two without thinking it was worthwhile.... you are worthy...

As far as 'attracting' a slave/sub - just be yourself - talk with people - get involved - answer questions - ASK questions... before you know it... the mail box is full and you are ready....
(First question: check)

Now - a worthy master and a worthy slave are two very different things.... A worthy master comes from experience, wisdom... and so on...
A worthy slave comes from a Masters experience, wisdom and so on... in my opinion.

What I perceive constitutes a worthy slave and your own perception are probably two very different things... I like spice, spunk, attitude and sexiness...
this is a 'worthy' slave/sub... a woman who is on her own terms and enjoys exploring her own inner kink... to each his own!

desoutter



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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/21/2006 5:27:12 PM   
Bosn


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quote:

ORIGINAL: aslaveflower

quote:

Submiting to a woman is not dominating her.When a man submits to a woman, he does not dominate her. Nature and science tells us nothing about dominantion


Very true. When a man submits to a woman, She is dominating "him" ...why? Because She has chosen this, as he has.


I disagree. Just because a male has chosen to live in an unnatural state does not mean that a fermale does. I think that with the female, it is more a "survival" thing. When the Protector/Provider will not do his job, someone has to step up and take over the abdicated responsabilities.
Todays' female is taught that this makes them equal to males. Why would they want to be? Those males who choose to submit themselves to the very beings they were supposed to watch over should be ashamed.
But that's my opinion.
I wish you well.
Bosn

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RE: Showing you are a worthy Master - 12/21/2006 5:48:16 PM   
Grlwithboy


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bosn

quote:

ORIGINAL: aslaveflower

quote:

Submiting to a woman is not dominating her.When a man submits to a woman, he does not dominate her. Nature and science tells us nothing about dominantion


Very true. When a man submits to a woman, She is dominating "him" ...why? Because She has chosen this, as he has.


I disagree. Just because a male has chosen to live in an unnatural state does not mean that a fermale does. I think that with the female, it is more a "survival" thing. When the Protector/Provider will not do his job, someone has to step up and take over the abdicated responsabilities.
Todays' female is taught that this makes them equal to males. Why would they want to be? Those males who choose to submit themselves to the very beings they were supposed to watch over should be ashamed.
But that's my opinion.
I wish you well.
Bosn


Living in an urban environment could be called an "unnatural" state. Farming instead of hunting is "unnatural." Species that never adapt  - well we know where they go.

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