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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:09:49 AM

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Did he pay for the abortion himself from money he made at a job? If he did, I don't care.

actually, no. at the time funds were extremely tight for us. He lent me out for profit and that paid for the abortion.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:12:01 AM

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This is pretty simple for me.

If I own her, it's my decision. If I don't, it's hers.

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As a dominant/master would you give an order or would you let her decide? Would you be supportive of the choice, even if it wasn't one you agreed with?

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:12:41 AM

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So on top of the fact you had to go through having an abortion he lent you out for profit?
Omg, i don't know how you got through it hun x

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:13:03 AM

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when it comes to pregnancy it should always be a "joint" decision

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:13:53 AM

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I really agree with this. Having a theoretical discussion is all fine, fun and interesting but when talking about a child; theoretical has to go out the window.

Regardless of one moral views, whenever discussing bringing a child into this world is a huge decision and long term responsibility that trumps any type of relationship rule. Both parties have to agree and search within themselves for their own answers. Letting someone decide for yourself in such a serious area is at best play as their decision is probably you are in agreement with or at worse hiding behind some fake barrier that will mean nothing in the future in this matter and whether to have a child or not this non existent barrier will not comfort a person if the choice is made that goes against what they would have done and how it impacts everyone’s future on all levels.

why do you view a slave minding their place and a Master doing his will as "hiding behind some fake barrier"?

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:17:15 AM

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What about what you would then do if your Master said to keep a baby that you knew was going to be sick... Just like I mentioned earlier Tay Sachs has no cure and is devistateing even if my Master said to keep the baby but I knew he had it I wouldnt do it.... Though it is imposable for Master to carry that gean as he isnt jewish and there for since he doesnt carry it the baby could never have it Im just saying

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:17:52 AM

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A slave has only two choices.(1) after a time of communication and negotiation the right to choose if she desires to serve. (2) the right to leave the relationship if it might endanger her life or the life of any childen from the relationship. Those are the only two chooses My slave had or has to make. Other then that look at the definition of a slave in any dictionary. If you are a submissive then you live under a whole differant set of rules.
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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:18:20 AM

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i think this woudl fall under my basic limits anythign that will harm me mentally or harm me physically
ive had one abortion and miscrarried one child to have to let go of anyother child would distroy me
i think the only exseption would be if it was dangerous to my health then i would abort on his say so

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:19:51 AM

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Was it pregnancy scare week or what? We had one last week too, took a test (negative) and I started this week. Anyway, back to the topic. My womb belongs to me, as it is part of my body. I willingly give it to him but I maintain some control, as I am a sub and not a slave. Should we find ourselves pregnant and able to carry (medical issues) I expect it will be a cause of many emotions - fear, doubts, joy, and love.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:20:03 AM

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Daddysprop has come to a level of submission that is right for her. She made the choice to go there. I will not caste stones on her because who is to say that I will one day not rise to that level.

Okay it is no secret or love loss of my mindset when it comes to calling yourself a slave..but I just have to disagree with this..particularly the portion of "rise to that level". There is no glory or coolness or anything about being a slave. I don't think the division between calling yourself a submissive person, slave, switch or any other is about aspiring to some sort of high notch on the totem pole of alternative life choices. It is just merely a design to help give a mindset of how and where people are trying to go.

If your not willing or wanting to go deep and give it all up then don't be a slave. It's not a bad thing. If you want more control and say so then go downthe D/s road. If you want the playful fun moments of interaction from both sides to fulfill wants you have then go switch. No matter what road you travel as long as your honest with yourself and what it is your doing for what reasons then this is the only point needed.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:21:53 AM

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Daddysprop has come to a level of submission that is right for her. She made the choice to go there. I will not caste stones on her because who is to say that I will one day not rise to that level.

Okay it is no secret or love loss of my mindset when it comes to calling yourself a slave..but I just have to disagree with this..particularly the portion of "rise to that level". There is no glory or coolness or anything about being a slave. I don't think the division between calling yourself a submissive person, slave, switch or any other is about aspiring to some sort of high notch on the totem pole of alternative life choices. It is just merely a design to help give a mindset of how and where people are trying to go.

If your not willing or wanting to go deep and give it all up then don't be a slave. It's not a bad thing. If you want more control and say so then go downthe D/s road. If you want the playful fun moments of interaction from both sides to fulfill wants you have then go switch. No matter what road you travel as long as your honest with yourself and what it is your doing for what reasons then this is the only point needed.

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You beat me to it starshine. Well said.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:24:31 AM

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why do you view a slave minding their place and a Master doing his will as "hiding behind some fake barrier"?

Because despite all things are wonderful when in a happy relationship things change but having a child is a huge responsibility that last forever or not having the child may go completely against your own moral code and/or live to haunt the rest of your life especially if you let someone else completely control the decision.

The barrier is fake because something this large a person cannot in good conscious leave in the hands of someone else and truly have no opinion or I really fear the outcome to be honest.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:24:38 AM

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Daddysprop has come to a level of submission that is right for her. She made the choice to go there. I will not caste stones on her because who is to say that I will one day not rise to that level.

Okay it is no secret or love loss of my mindset when it comes to calling yourself a slave..but I just have to disagree with this..particularly the portion of "rise to that level". There is no glory or coolness or anything about being a slave. I don't think the division between calling yourself a submissive person, slave, switch or any other is about aspiring to some sort of high notch on the totem pole of alternative life choices. It is just merely a design to help give a mindset of how and where people are trying to go.

If your not willing or wanting to go deep and give it all up then don't be a slave. It's not a bad thing. If you want more control and say so then go downthe D/s road. If you want the playful fun moments of interaction from both sides to fulfill wants you have then go switch. No matter what road you travel as long as your honest with yourself and what it is your doing for what reasons then this is the only point needed.

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Well I did not mean "rise" in a sence of superiority. It was badly worded. "Different" would probably be a better word. Actually no! Different would not work there either.

What I was trying to say that as FOR ME, me being a slave is a level of submission I have not "reached" (Not that it's better or worse to reach it)

Make sense?

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:29:09 AM

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Here's a serious question for all of the "most Domliest Doms" out there (and maybe even submales?): How "manly" are you, really, if your responsibilities supposedly are to be responsible for your submissive or slave's welfare (or "loving" toward your Domme), and you never bring this topic up as a point of discussion? I mean, you are supposedly taking over responsibility for someone else's welfare (or claiming it's "at the top of your priority list"). This is part of that (I think). This doesn't mean the submissive or slave (or Domme) shouldn't bring it up as well, of course. Maybe it is because I was raised a Catholic, but I consider this issue to be "serious business" not just a "we'll cross that bridge if we ever get there" sort of thing. I will get off my soapbox now (sorry to be such a stick-in-the-mud). I know "people make mistakes", etc. I did it, too. But I learned something from it. This really is the kind of situation that can ruin relationships beyond the point of return, and is worth disussing - even if you think discussing it is "risky" and "It'll never happen to me"...Just my "two cents."

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:30:56 AM

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If your [sic] not willing or wanting to go deep and give it all up then don't be a slave

That should be all it takes to get the sub vs slave argument going.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:31:13 AM

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Was it pregnancy scare week or what?

Getting to be a week. I know that isn't long but for the past six months I've been on time like clockwork and had massive cramps that were bad enough to make me skip class. Being late and the complete lack of cramping was making me very nervous.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:33:37 AM

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Here's a serious question for all of the "most Domliest Doms" out there: How "Domly: are you really, if your responsibilities are to be responsible for your submissive or slave, and you never bring this as a point of discussion? I mean, you are supposedly taking over responsibility for someone else's welfare. Maybe it is because I was raised a Catholic, but I consider this issue to be "serious business" not just a "we'll cross that bridge if we ever get there" sort of thiong. I will get off my soapbox now (sorry to be such a stick-in-the-mud).

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I personally don't see a correlation--- how submissive or slavelike are you really; if you say I am your One and you bow to my will not having a fuckin' clue what that will is, I may think this issue is sipping water from a glass, how am I to know you are drowning in it?

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:34:42 AM

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Well I did not mean "rise" in a sence of superiority. It was badly worded. "Different" would probably be a better word. Actually no! Different would not work there either.

What I was trying to say that as FOR ME, me being a slave is a level of submission I have not "reached" (Not that it's better or worse to reach it)

Make sense?

N

Makes sense. I believe the reason we are pestering Daddysprop is because we worried about her. I believe there is a level of submission that is actually dangerous to one's mental health. Others will probably disagree with me.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:35:23 AM

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why do you view a slave minding their place and a Master doing his will as "hiding behind some fake barrier"?

Because despite all things are wonderful when in a happy relationship things change but having a child is a huge responsibility that last forever or not having the child may go completely against your own moral code and/or live to haunt the rest of your life especially if you let someone else completely control the decision.

The barrier is fake because something this large a person cannot in good conscious leave in the hands of someone else and truly have no opinion or I really fear the outcome to be honest.

of course a slave will have an opinion, but that opinion may not hold any weight. it is not about "letting" or "allowing" the Master to make the decision. the Master will do what they wish to do, period. they don't need the slave's permission.

yes, the Master's decision, if against the slave's own morals or desires, may be devastating. but these are all possibilities you accept when you make the final decision to become slave, imo. i agree with you that one must look past the daisies and lollipops and consider the harsh potential realities of life. that is why the decision to become slave should not be taken lightly. and if this is an issue where one knows that in the end they want final say, then they are one who is never meant to be slave.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 11:36:41 AM

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mnottertail: My point, exactly! It's something people need to know about eachother. Knowing what someone would do in this situation would have a big effect on my ability to trust them, long term. Of course for me personally, I'll not have to ask that question anymore, as I truly am menopausal. But still, I don't categorize it in the same class of "information I like to know about someone" as "So, what are your hobbies"...

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