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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 8:44:18 AM

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read what ever you want into what I sayed doesnt change how I feel about any of it. I wasnt beeing inconsistent I feel she shows no morals IN THAT area not all area i never sayed she had no morals I dont know her save for words on a screen so there for i make my judgments based on said words period the end

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Perhaps Magiksalve is completely against abortion. Perhaps Daddysprop is not against it and had those idea's going into servatute to her Master?

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 9:04:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

read what ever you want into what I sayed doesnt change how I feel about any of it. I wasnt beeing inconsistent I feel she shows no morals IN THAT area not all area i never sayed she had no morals I dont know her save for words on a screen so there for i make my judgments based on said words period the end

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Perhaps Magiksalve is completely against abortion. Perhaps Daddysprop is not against it and had those idea's going into servatute to her Master?

I believe the crux of this argument is that some people have boundaries and limits on certain areas of life, and some do not. In some M/s dynamics, it does not matter what the slaves morals or perceived morals are; she acquiesces to her Master's. I think it was LA who pointed it out earlier in this thread (and apologies if I am incorrect about that) - that this is precisely why when we argue limits vs. no limits, the chainsaw, limb-chopping hypotheticals have little meaning, and what we should be discussing are the intense and complicated moments of every day life...like this. Whether or not prop or any other slave, myself included, is pro or anti abortion would not matter in that particular M/s dynamic. In my particular dynamic, my Master knows how I feel, yet would still make the ultimate decision...and I would submit to it, period. Call it what you will - immoral, without thought, irresponsible, whatever. I call it submitting to my Master, as I must submit to him, and trusting him to do what is best.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 9:41:24 AM

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Had to come back to this.. i could see a good Master/slave convo here:

"Master, by the way, "Your" womb has been sub-let. One of Your spermies took it over for a few months. Womb will be returned as soon as the swelling and explusion stage is completed... Would Master like to begin decorating Your spermies nursery now?" teeheehee

*Giggles* Thank you. I needed that today.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 9:49:03 AM

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I would, too.

I also know that if he said, *In this, you may choose* I'd be able to take him at his word.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 10:06:57 AM

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Does anyone else have thoughts of throwing them all into a pit of oil, naked, and letting them "work" out their differences? Hmm... maybe it's just me. *evil grins*

my bet goes to daddysprop

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 10:10:17 AM

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This kind of topic would be a lot more straightforward with the legal sanction of chattel slavery.

That said, without any legal sanction, whatever people agree sticks, sticks.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 10:32:03 AM

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You all are still going on about it eh?

It all depends on the relationship - point blank.

I know in MY relationship - my Master has the right and ability to make the final and last decision. He could of said "no babies" I'd of course expect to be on Birth Control. If a baby occured anyways - and he said abortion. It IS his right. I gave it to hiim 2 years ago. I can easily see - that if he wanted it to happen - it would happen. I can also see that i would hate him for the end of time and absolutetly never forgive him or myself. I would see it as him allowing something that would rip my heart out. I would also try and compromise and suggest that we seperate and go our own ways.

Whether or not. I've had one abortion at 17 and one living at 21. He understands how having an abortion tore me open. He understands that i went through alot of self hate as i classified it as "killing my own blood". He understands all of it clearly as he works with me to let go of the past.

So yes - technically - he owns my womb. Yet he understands that the decision would affect me in more ways then one. Which is why - he left it soley up to me. He does not want me to do anything that would ultimetly harm me long term. My first - she has a name. Jordan as its unisex. Still think about her - she would 10. I still light candles praying for her soul and i am still angry at the weakness i had to allow another human being influence me to do something i was so against.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 1:06:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: agirl

I consider myself a slave, because I am owned. I do not always obey but the fact that I'm owned doesn't alter when I disobey.

You present one way of viewing slavery, yes.

agirl

And historically speaking slaves disobeyed all the time.

Asking questions is not disobeying -- I'm not getting why these are being equated.

I still believe and this is how I trained Fox and those rare others I've owned, that obedience is great but I want you to serve and be focused on me and making my life easier. If someone has to ask me before they buy something or do something all the damn time, hell, I could have just done it myself and they've wasted more time in asking me that being a good slave and just doing what needs to get done.

I like these exchanges though because I personally think it is wonderful that we can each be "rugged individualist" (to borrow from Jack Rinella) and create healthy, functional Ds or Ms relationships.

The way I do things is right for me and I always try to make it clear that it is about me and mine and no one else. If others wish for general or standard definitions, good luck with that....

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 1:19:40 PM

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To no one in particular but it shocks me in the worst way that aparently many couples don't discuss these scenarios.

Unless all partners have had their reproductive organs removed, it seems quite naive not to talk about these 'what if' situations. Most couples will at some point have to deal with this, it's beyond me that people aren't discussing this (and other life altering scenarios) before they are in a position where it may happen.

I have this talk with every potential partner, his views have everything to do with whether or not I will sleep with him.

Sadly human being behave like this all the time and we are, regardless of orientation or "kink" just human beings.

Personally if someone cannot discuss these things with me then they clearer are 1) not mature enough to be in a Ds relationship with me, 2) not self-aware enough to be in a Ds relationship with me, or 3) too distant from the realities of 24/7 to be in a Ds relationship.

And if they aren't ready for Ds relationship then they certainly aren't ready for an Ms relationship with me.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 2:27:19 PM

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ORIGINAL: agirl

I consider myself a slave, because I am owned. I do not always obey but the fact that I'm owned doesn't alter when I disobey.

You present one way of viewing slavery, yes.

agirl

And historically speaking slaves disobeyed all the time.

Asking questions is not disobeying -- I'm not getting why these are being equated.

I still believe and this is how I trained Fox and those rare others I've owned, that obedience is great but I want you to serve and be focused on me and making my life easier. If someone has to ask me before they buy something or do something all the damn time, hell, I could have just done it myself and they've wasted more time in asking me that being a good slave and just doing what needs to get done.

I like these exchanges though because I personally think it is wonderful that we can each be "rugged individualist" (to borrow from Jack Rinella) and create healthy, functional Ds or Ms relationships.

The way I do things is right for me and I always try to make it clear that it is about me and mine and no one else. If others wish for general or standard definitions, good luck with that....

Serving and *making his life easier* isn't a predominant part of my relationship. It never has been. He owns me, he doesn't need me, for anything. He'll organise his life the way he wants it.

He knows that I follow him because he's inspired me to; that I believe in him, the way he lives life, his decisions for me.......not JUST because he *says so*.

The most wonderful part of being owned by him, is the total liberation that it brought. I'm not suppressing anything, least of all the fact that I don't like being told *what to do*. I'm inspired and encouraged year after year to be more the person that I am, the positive and the good is given amplification and the negative is understood and played down.

He helps me achieve what I'd like for me.

As I said before, if I disobey, then he owns a disobedient slave at that point.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 3:15:38 PM

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~~ general reply ~~

Master asked me to post this.

Yesterday, I mentioned this thread to Master. For he and I, the issue of pregnancy is not an option for the simple reason that I can no longer have children, so we never spent alot of time discussing the 'what-if's '

However, while discussing this thread, he did say that in his view, it would come down to the choice being mine on how to proceed. He would advise me on his views, hope to sway me to his view; but in the end, the decision would be mine. ( I want to add, that I still hold with the idea that it is not my decision to make and I would more than likely follow the advice that Master gave me )

Master also asked that I add in the fact that he comes from an era that lost alot of lives in the pursuit of the freedoms that women have now; and he honors the lives lost by supporting the freedoms gained ( if that makes any sense at all

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/11/2006 3:36:31 PM

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ORIGINAL: Kalira

Master also asked that I add in the fact that he comes from an era that lost alot of lives in the pursuit of the freedoms that women have now; and he honors the lives lost by supporting the freedoms gained ( if that makes any sense at all )

I think that makes a lot of sense and that is a very thoughtful view for him to take. It's a shame that so many lives were lost and that people are still being murdered over the issue.

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