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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 5:42:49 PM

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Im sorry I know where you are comeing from as a slave however if the Master doesnt want children HE should be moer carfull not to get you pregnent. If he wants the luxery of haveing sole choice on what happens to the baby then he also must take sole responsability for you getting pregnent. Please remeber abortion isnt a form of birth controll!!!

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I agree with this. If a man whether he be a Dom or not does not want any responsibility of children he should then take the responsibility to make sure he does not father any. A vascatomy for a man is not that hard or overly costly compared to birth control pills monthly for a female or the expense of raising a child.

To force a woman to have an abortion just because he is selfish is not fair IMHO. I am only glad I am past childbearing age and do not have to worry about it any more.

I am not against abortion for others, I feel it is each womans choice. For me NO WAY!!!. I went through 4 years of trying and test galore to find out why, before I finally conceived my first son . I truly believe God gave me my sons.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 5:44:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: PrimitiveLogic

I clearly agree that there are significant long reaching issues that this reality will affect in the short and long term view. Not just the mode of agreement and discussion; but the impact on the dynamics of power.
Well...let's take this a step further. So she has this child....she belongs to Him; does that mean the child is His property too?
Aside from her relationship, we don't hear alot of how children of subs n slaves really fit in to the ownership structure in a day to day functional basis. We hear of the challenges of privacy when scening...but not the concept of family heirarchical ownership.
PS. Just because they're yours...doeshe get to do with them what he wants to? Ahh parenthood.and its paradigm mutation.

Considering that a few people in the USA have gotten into trouble legally when it came out they did BDSM and had kids even when the BDSM was just for spice and the little ones were totally separate.... I think even entertaining the idea of "ownership of offspring" is asking with a big all bullhorn for serious legal problems.

I'll say it again and keep saying it over and over and over -- this is consensual slavery not institutional, not historical and not legal slavery.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 5:44:09 PM

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As a slave; yes he would also own that part of me.

But who 'owns' the baby?

In my case; he did. She had his name and we followed the same rules that were in place that I was raised with, and that he was already using in regards to his other unmentionables.

Harsh, but also my own reality...by my own willingness to accept the conditions that he laid out.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 6:25:24 PM

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Here is the bottom line for me, do I own my womb? I know that prolife people will state I do not own my womb, how can I give to another what I do not own myself?

Of course legally I do own my womb, but the life carried in that womb I do not own. I can reject that life out of my womb if I choose to, but a dominant is not going to make that choice for me, why? Because if that life comes into this world and I carry that person full-term no one owns it, not me, and not him. We do not own our unmentionables, they grace our life for a short period of time and our job is to instill the things they need to be healthy happy individuals...

I would not allow a dominant person to dominate my unmentionable like property,.... that is a deal breaker. I am not adopting out my offspring because he ordered it. If he does not want to be a father he can go away, but this is one domain he is not lord and master of, and if he did not want me as a submissive because of that fact, well that individual could bite me...

It is not about the womb, it is about what grows there, and while you may have given ownership of yourself to someone else, you cannot give ownership of what has grown there.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 6:26:29 PM

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I believe the propster sounds quite sane, and quite cogent and is in no need of worrying over, apparently she has her shit together.

Good post dp247365

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OMG Ron.....a post i can actually interpret on my own AND agree with???? OK....i'm marking this on my calendar

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 6:37:19 PM

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My opinion is if a Master is going to make his property have abortions he should have a vasectomy and that will solve his problem or she should have her tubes tied. Abortion is NOT birth control.

I feel a woman's womb is her own and when she concieves yes she should involve the childs Father. They both should have input as to whether to have the child or not. However SHE is the one who has to live with the guilt if she has an abortion against her will, doing it only for his sake.

Plus I am a believer in the saying "In our lives men will come and go, but our children are always with us."

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 6:48:31 PM

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Plus I am a believer in the saying "In our lives men will come and go, but our children are always with us."

~Lashra

I applaud that statement, and agree wholeheartedly.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 6:50:06 PM

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ORIGINAL: KatyLied

I'm sure you must feel relieved, in some way, to have this out on the table. And perhaps it's time to look at a method of birth control that is more reliable, then you won't need to worry as much. Do heed earlier advice and take another test because, there can be false negatives.

I'm using a birth control that is 99.99 percent effective.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 6:52:38 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

Plus I am a believer in the saying "In our lives men will come and go, but our children are always with us."

A beautiful sentiment.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 7:03:47 PM

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I'm using a birth control that is 99.99 percent effective.

argh, I'd be freakin' over that. You know what they say, though, only one thing is 100% effective

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 7:07:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

My apologies to the mods if this is inappropriate in any way.

So this week, I've had a rather nasty pregnancy scare. My dominant has been wonderfully supportive and understanding of me during this because I had been freaking out (as a college student still trying to graduate, now is not a good time for me to become a Moma!). Last night I finally took an EPT and while my period hasn't arrived yet, the test said we are in the clear. Want babies later, not now.

The whole mess got me thinking though: What if I had been? Who decides what to do? My dominant was willing to do what felt right for me, though he wouldn't marry me. He would help support the child and be a father if I chose to keep it, but he was suggesting putting it up for adoption as well. I wasn't sure what I wanted to do but still I can't help wondering. As a submissive/slave would you do whatever your dominant/master told you to do in this situation, or would you have to make the choice yourself and try to do what you thought was right for the child? As a dominant/master would you give an order or would you let her decide? Would you be supportive of the choice, even if it wasn't one you agreed with?

While the question is set up for male dom/fem sub, I'm interested in responses from everyone. Thanks for reading,
Aqua

Oh what a topic! I only read the OP so far, and not all five pages, but I had this same "scare" last year so I wanted to say what my experience was. He told me to have a pregnancy test, and he would decide what to do. Yes, he owns my womb. When I say he owns all of me, he owns all of me. I was not pregnant, as it turned out. I do not know what he would have decided; I did not ask. All along he said there was no decision to make until we had the facts. Since the facts proved I was not pregnant, there was no decision to make.

I have often said I will follow my Master to my grave. I have always been agaisnt the idea of having an abortion. If he were to order me to have one, I believe it would have been quite damaging to me. I believe he knows that as well. I trust him with my well being - physical, mental, emotional and spiritual. Should the situation arise again in the future, it will be his decision to make.

We had talked about the "what ifs" of this type of scenario when I first became his, but my living arrangment and life situation was much much different then. Whatever happens now or in the future, I trust his decisions for me on ALL facets of my life. This would not be an exception.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 7:13:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

My opinion is if a Master is going to make his property have abortions he should have a vasectomy and that will solve his problem or she should have her tubes tied. Abortion is NOT birth control.

I feel a woman's womb is her own and when she concieves yes she should involve the childs Father. They both should have input as to whether to have the child or not. However SHE is the one who has to live with the guilt if she has an abortion against her will, doing it only for his sake.

Plus I am a believer in the saying "In our lives men will come and go, but our children are always with us."

~Lashra

Or to put it in an "owner" perspective sense that is very important to some people, an owner is a fool who treats their property in a way that requires medical treatment -- any medical treatment involves a risk that said owner has no power over once those surgical door close. Only a fool would risk a valuable slave (I'm assuming consensual slaves are by definition of value why else would you bother owning one in a world that does not recognize your relationship?).

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 7:21:06 PM

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Because if that life comes into this world and I carry that person full-term no one owns it, not me, and not him. We do not own our unmentionables,

My point, exactly! Whether M/s or D/s, pregnancy means that now a third person is involved.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 7:23:52 PM

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I didn't read the whole thread, so I dont know if this was covered or not, but Im thinking about the other side of the coin. The woman who wants an abortion, and the master who orders that she give birth and raise a child.

Julia, your post really stood out, though I didnt read everyone's (Im sorry) but you make a very good point, that hadnt even crossed my mind while considering the subject matter.....

Even if we opt to allow someone complete control over ourselves and our bodies, is it right to give your D type ownership over another life? I would have to lean towards 'no' being the answer to that, for myself anyway.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 7:30:59 PM

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Even if we opt to allow someone complete control over ourselves and our bodies, is it right to give your D type ownership over another life? I would have to lean towards 'no' being the answer to that, for myself anyway.

He would not own it. As someone else said, neither of us owns it. He would influence and direct the way I raised it, however.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 7:37:41 PM

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Here is the bottom line for me, do I own my womb? I know that prolife people will state I do not own my womb, how can I give to another what I do not own myself?

Of course legally I do own my womb, but the life carried in that womb I do not own. I can reject that life out of my womb if I choose to, but a dominant is not going to make that choice for me, why? Because if that life comes into this world and I carry that person full-term no one owns it, not me, and not him. We do not own our unmentionables, they grace our life for a short period of time and our job is to instill the things they need to be healthy happy individuals...

I would not allow a dominant person to dominate my unmentionable like property,.... that is a deal breaker. I am not adopting out my offspring because he ordered it. If he does not want to be a father he can go away, but this is one domain he is not lord and master of, and if he did not want me as a submissive because of that fact, well that individual could bite me...

It is not about the womb, it is about what grows there, and while you may have given ownership of yourself to someone else, you cannot give ownership of what has grown there.

totally going to get another week added onto my punishment... but AMEN!!!!!!

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 7:54:04 PM

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Caveat.. i am responding without reading responses... and i started this response based on one line in your thread (sorry)... why won't he marry you if you had been pg?

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 7:57:55 PM

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There is a song about that... It's called (i think) "Waiting on Two Pink Lines"...

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 8:02:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

What about what you would then do if your Master said to keep a baby that you knew was going to be sick... Just like I mentioned earlier Tay Sachs has no cure and is devistateing even if my Master said to keep the baby but I knew he had it I wouldnt do it.... Though it is imposable for Master to carry that gean as he isnt jewish and there for since he doesnt carry it the baby could never have it Im just saying

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I was seriouse here... Im extra curiouse to see what daddysprop would say about this

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/8/2006 8:13:20 PM

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I do not care if it is a regular relationship or BDSM relationship; that is irrelevant. Women's body = women's choice. It is that simple, imo.

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