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LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 4:43:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WulfMan Oh and LadyAngelika, not exactly what you gonna do being in Canada and such. With Canada's military, 2 guys on a horse with sling shots, and all that. Oh I've had a Canadian soldier or two... they really can get into the right headspace for my POW role play. What I've found about military men are the same qualities you'll find in a guard dog (I've used this analogy in past threads and I don't want to be a one note samba), which is strong, loyal, obedient and fearless.<weg> quote: HAHAHA just kidding, don't hurt me.[:D] Nah I'm not going to hurt you. You'd love it too much ;) - LA

LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 4:45:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika One of the first things is to bring them back in touch with chivalry. I like a man to open doors for me and help me with my coat. I find it incredible that when I do simple things like this, women swoon. I open the door for everyone. I stand up when a woman enters the room, or when I am greeting a man. I help my lady into her coat. All of these things I learned from my father, and I imagine his dissaproval were I to stop. Those are exactly the kind of things I was talking about. You'd be such a perfect sub if you weren't so Dom ;) quote: ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty I think one of the problems is that so many men have no idea how they are supposed to behave in these situations. There should be a modern book of male ettiquite...hmm...sounds like a project. Taggard I think Lily and I would like to sign up as your co-authors... - LA

LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 4:54:31 PM)
quote: I prefer my boys to be boys. They are getting a lot of power from me, I enjoy seeing it ripple in that pure masculinity...among other things. Uh huh. :) - LA

LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 4:59:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mantis65 I wish most people would stop thinking of male subs/slaves as wimps or weak. I agree with you. It takes tremendous strength to submit. quote: ORIGINAL: mantis65 I wish it caught on more to think of slaves as men we can still suffer and obey with out wearing a dress. Anyway I like your idea LadyAngelika and I hope it catchs on more. mantis Again I agree with you. I'm glad you approve. On a side note mantis, I’d like to congratulate you on a formidably well-written profile. - LA

Sissyslave71 -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 5:25:31 PM)
quote: I wish it caught on more to think of slaves as men we can still suffer and obey with out wearing a dress. Hmmm...well Im ex military, have a 1st Degree black belt in Tae Kwon Do and I wear a dress and I am a total submissive. When a domme takes it away from me.....I consider it punishment that I can't be feminine in her presence. What defines a male as being "masculine" anyway??? Chest hair?

WulfMan -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 5:31:47 PM)
Ah, I stand corrected I suppose my theory doesn't hold true to all, not saying that you're not masculine or whatever. I know this sounds like i'm ripping on you but i'm not just making a statment. Hey and just out of friendly convo what branch? and have you ever tried Krav Maga, it's an israel martial art, not really a sport but more of a fight for your life kinda deal, no belts but pretty damn gruesome if you can get it down. they started teaching that to special forces now.

Sissyslave71 -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 5:37:42 PM)
I was in the US Navy...F/A-18 Hornet maintainer 2 years and H-60 Aircrew 2 more years. I havent tried any Israeli martial arts...but im sure Mossad knows some sick stuff. I always thought British SAS were serious fighters...though I never really saw them in action... mostly just read about them. No..I dont feel I was being ripped on at all!! Im very comfortable with both roles. Im a typical hopeless Gemini.

WulfMan -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 5:39:03 PM)
quote: which is strong, loyal, obedient and fearless.<weg> You sure these are Canadian soldiers Ma'am? LOL sorry I had to I've actually met a few Canadian soldiers good guys, we just rip on each other being allies and all, what's the term something de corps, basicly it's friendly competition between the forces. Like how I always rip on Navy guys, because it is so damned easy chuckles. Hooyaahh

LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 5:45:33 PM)
quote: What defines a male as being "masculine" anyway??? Chest hair? Masculine: having qualities appropriate to or usually associated with a man (source M-W.com). I believe however that I defined my perception of masculine in my first two posts. And in my perception of masculine, he is not a sissy. You need to understand that this thread is about my kink and those who share it with me. There are many, many threads about your kink and those who share it with you and you never, ever see me go on any of them and say anything negative about sissies or feminized men. :) - LA

Sissyslave71 -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 5:47:03 PM)
Ok thanks...bye

LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 5:47:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WulfMan quote: which is strong, loyal, obedient and fearless.<weg> You sure these are Canadian soldiers Ma'am? LOL sorry I had to I've actually met a few Canadian soldiers good guys, we just rip on each other being allies and all, what's the term something de corps, basicly it's friendly competition between the forces. Like how I always rip on Navy guys, because it is so damned easy chuckles. Hooyaahh Boys will be boys ;) - LA

ProtagonistLily -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 5:47:56 PM)
quote: I think one of the problems is that so many men have no idea how they are supposed to behave in these situations. There should be a modern book of male ettiquite...hmm...sounds like a project. Taggard Thanks Angelika. I think this would be a great project. And it's all true, Taggard even opens car doors for me, and we are just friends. It's actually very lovely to be around a man with good manners who treats women with respect. Some of you could learn a thing or two from M. Taggard. Lily

mantis65 -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 7:25:29 PM)
I should say that I have nothing against people that like feminization. I don’t want to seem like I think is wrong or something it’s just not for me. quote: Again I agree with you. I'm glad you approve. On a side note mantis, I’d like to congratulate you on a formidably well-written profile. Thank you Lady Angelica now that I have a good digital camera I can replace that god awful picture of me with a better one the currant one hurts to look at. mantis

GentleLady -> RE: forced masculinity (2/23/2005 8:43:19 PM)
LadyAngelika Thank You. You did answer My question and I have noticed the same thing as the years past. Men seem to have lost something along the way but I have never been able to put My finger on what it is. They are no longer as gracious and courtly as they once were and I miss that. It shows in little things like crowded buses where I get up to give My seat to an older lady or pregnant woman and the men sit there and watch Me struggle with a cane. Feminization does not turn My crank but if it is a big deal for the submissive I do not object to him cross-dresing (providing he looks any good). I usually just avoid them so it never occurred to Me to think about trying to enhance the masculinity of the submissive. I get off on the maleness of the male body...its scent and taste and feel. I do know that one of My goals with Mine is to help him regain his pride in being male because that has been battered pretty badly. It is so gratifying when a big burly construction worker kisses My ass and I can smell the sweat of hard work drifting from his body...to see the strength leashed and ready to meet My needs...to watch those strong male hands prepare supper...and know that he is a strong confident male who glories in being a gentleman. drat....now I am drifting Gentle Lady

onceburned -> RE: forced masculinity (2/24/2005 4:03:29 AM)
quote: to watch those strong male hands prepare supper...and know that he is a strong confident male who glories in being a gentleman. drat....now I am drifting Drifting? Gentle Lady, your words paint such a vivid picture. I can't help but believe that they will help to inspire some guys to persevere in their journey.

LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/24/2005 4:59:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GentleLady LadyAngelika Thank You. You did answer My question and I have noticed the same thing as the years past. Men seem to have lost something along the way but I have never been able to put My finger on what it is. They are no longer as gracious and courtly as they once were and I miss that. It shows in little things like crowded buses where I get up to give My seat to an older lady or pregnant woman and the men sit there and watch Me struggle with a cane. I think quiet kitten had a good point when she wrote earlier on in this thread: quote: ORIGINAL: quietkitten I may get a thump for this, but I really feel that we have brought it upon ourselves. Many men feel like they cannot do these things because it may offend the woman by making her feel "weak". When people ask me if I'm a feminist, I say no. Actually, people usually assume that I am one because I am a strong woman. Though I think feminism served it's purpose, I think it's time now to find an equilibrium. There is no glory in elevating all things feminine with the price of destroying all things masculine. quote: ORIGINAL: GentleLady Feminization does not turn My crank but if it is a big deal for the submissive I do not object to him cross-dresing (providing he looks any good). Unless you are a pro and catering to boys' submissive fantasies is your bread and butter, you have a choice to be or not to be with someone who wants to be sissified. I tend to get involved with people who have desires aligned with my own. quote: ORIGINAL: GentleLady I usually just avoid them so it never occurred to Me to think about trying to enhance the masculinity of the submissive. Again, this is about personal choice and desires. I'm not suggesting this is what you mean, but I want to make the point that I would not try and turn a boy that wants to be sissified and force him to be a man, unless it was negotiated before hand. I do respect people's kinks very much. quote: ORIGINAL: GentleLady I get off on the maleness of the male body...its scent and taste and feel. I do know that one of My goals with Mine is to help him regain his pride in being male because that has been battered pretty badly. Wonderful. I find I have to do a lot of that work too. I meet a lot of boys who in their (not necessarily kinky) previous relationships had their male ego crushed on a daily basis. In my opinion, that is abusive. quote: ORIGINAL: GentleLady It is so gratifying when a big burly construction worker kisses My ass and I can smell the sweat of hard work drifting from his body...to see the strength leashed and ready to meet My needs...to watch those strong male hands prepare supper...and know that he is a strong confident male who glories in being a gentleman. drat....now I am drifting Gentle Lady Oh and I'm not! Thanks GL - now I get to walk into work all worked up! - LA

LadyAngelika -> RE: forced masculinity (2/24/2005 5:00:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: onceburned quote: to watch those strong male hands prepare supper...and know that he is a strong confident male who glories in being a gentleman. drat....now I am drifting Drifting? Gentle Lady, your words paint such a vivid picture. I can't help but believe that they will help to inspire some guys to persevere in their journey. Psst... chris... I think her thoughts are drifting into deep desire after imagining such a spectacular image of loveliness... - LA

ProtagonistLily -> RE: forced masculinity (2/24/2005 6:13:54 AM)
quote: When people ask me if I'm a feminist, I say no. Actually, people usually assume that I am one because I am a strong woman. Though I think feminism served it's purpose, I think it's time now to find an equilibrium. There is no glory in elevating all things feminine with the price of destroying all things masculine. Testify Sister, Testify!!! I couldn't agree with you more. About 10 years ago, I was really struggling with the whole militant feminist thing and took an opportunity to do some writing about it. In that essay, I realized I really enjoyed when the boys were boys, when they reminded me that I'm a girl. And I agree that it serves its purpose (on an institutional scale, vis a vis equality in the workplace/education/law, etc.), however, I have never been comfortable with the idea that 'feminism' should cancel out chivalry or good manners. Lily

onceburned -> RE: forced masculinity (2/24/2005 6:15:09 AM)
quote: Psst... chris... I think her thoughts are drifting into deep desire after imagining such a spectacular image of loveliness... (blush) You mean...such things happen?? Wow. That is a whole new dimension of pleasing I hadn't considered.

GddssBella -> RE: forced masculinity (2/24/2005 6:41:05 AM)
G'morning fellow freaks & deviants [:)] Personally, in the main, I agree w/ Angelika. I don't know that I'd describe masculinity as a fetish, but it certainly is my preference when dealing with male subs. C/d's, t/v's, sissies, adult babies, etc. have no appeal to me. Males in these roles generally just want to either prance around & look cute, being totally useless or else they wish to be taken care of. Blech. Men however, have a distinct appeal. Their very virility, strength, dignity being bent low in surrender to me is like a drug. Once savored, addiction has set in. A man of chivalry, wit, & charm so secure in himself that submission to me is a natural progression of his affections. I do enjoy having a man be a domestic. I feel the traditional role reversal strengthens the power dynamic. The fact that my apartment is cleaned is simply a bonus. Physical manifestation of a woman's powers during corporal play re-enforces her dominion over men. Being a sadist, I am heavy handed in my endeavors. When a man can persevere, allowing his mind to overcome the pain, it shows a strength of character that is attractive to me. Channeling it, absorbing it, returning the energy back to me. In return, I nuture his feelings, letting him know my pleasure with him. I've found that truly submissive individuals seek out the happiness of their dominant. It's integral to their own. When they are the vessel of such happiness, it multiplies their own. Submission, by definition, denotes humility. Hence why I don't understand how the needy, me-me mentality comes into being. It is indicative of a bottom, certainly not a submissive. hops off her lil pulpit & [;)] to all Stay safe, play nice, share your toys with others.... [:D] Bella

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