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thanks for sharing ... i think ? - 2/26/2005 8:13:20 PM

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To me this isn’t about emasculation as much as it is about submission.
Especially if the sub isn’t Bi this is for the Dommes pleasure mostly though i am sure the humiliation aspect some subs would love.

Thanks for sharing that with us, mantis65. But what on earth did that post have to do with sissy's comments to quietkitten ? Sheesh, with your uninhibited approach, and with material like that, sissy bets you can really break the ice at parties ...

*sissy makes a note to himself to check with the mods whether there is some kind of maximum I.Q. limit for posting on this thread that he's violating*

sissy maid lola

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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 8:15:04 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sissyslave71

WOW!!!

What happened to the Educated, cultured, intelligent well traveled, elite Lady Angelika?

Amazing how people show their true colors after a while.

Being constantly harrassed and attacked in a thread about his/her own kink will make just about anyone get nasty - especially since, in this case, she has said repeatedly that she doesn't have anything against sissies/crossdressers/tv/tg/whatever - but she still gets harrassed. I don't blame her for losing her temper, hell, I would have long before she did. Lay off - you keep saying that you are leaving this thread, so why don't you? it aggrevates you, it agrevates others that you get so nasty and snippy ... just go. quit getting your blood pressure raised over something that isn't even about you ...

As much as I have appreciated your comments in other threads, I'm really getting tired of them in this one.

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 8:17:41 PM

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No it wasnt. I was spot on and correct.

She needs to cut the crap and stop hurling insults at TV/TS/CD's.

Oh for heavens sake, if you're not adding to the discussion and are just here to bash, why don't you go play Nintendo or something. *deep sigh* Why do people think that this bickering is warranted. The woman has an opinion. You don't like it. Learn to live with it or debate it with thought out reasoned arguments. She has NEVER said there was a problem with doing your own thing, which in your case is being a sissy. She said HER fetish was masculine men. I think we would all appreciate if you'd bring your posts back to the realm of productive rather than destructive.

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 8:20:26 PM

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Oh for heavens sake, if you're not adding to the discussion and are just here to bash, why don't you go play Nintendo or something.

WHO'S BASHING?

Are you kidding me?????

Apparently, cliquey favoritism is a disease around here.

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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 8:25:02 PM

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I repeat ...

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

you keep saying that you are leaving this thread, so why don't you? it aggrevates you, it agrevates others that you get so nasty and snippy ... just go. quit getting your blood pressure raised over something that isn't even about you ...

As much as I have appreciated your comments in other threads, I'm really getting tired of them in this one.

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 8:26:32 PM

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ORIGINAL: Sissyslave71

No it wasnt. I was spot on and correct.

She needs to cut the crap and stop hurling insults at TV/TS/CD's.

I must have missed the instance where she insulted anyone other than the two specific people she named. Let's hop in the wayback machine and take a look at just who she was insulting in that post which worked you into such a lather.

"Lola climbed down the rungs of the evolutionary ladder all on her own to join the ranks of the likes of ss71."

Why, it looks like it's just you and Lola!

Insulting specific individuals that happen to be constituents of a larger group (transvestites, sissies, transsexuals, butchers, bakers, candlestick makers, etc.) is not the same as insulting the aforementioned larger groups.

Ok? Ok.

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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 8:29:02 PM

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This thread has gotten a bit out of control. If you cannot contribute to the original thread then please pass this one by...

And for the record I have not idea what I.O is supposed to mean.

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 8:29:07 PM

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Lets just REVIEW what brought me here again to begin with...shall we?

GddssBella:

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Lola climbed down the rungs of the evolutionary ladder all on her own to join the ranks of the likes of ss71.

and...

What is it with the pink freaks? Got your frilly thong so far up your backside you forgot about logic?"

Tell me WHO is insulting WHOM again?

Hypocrites.

Im gone.

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 8:32:05 PM

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Thanks for sharing that with us, mantis65. But what on earth did that post have to do with sissy's comments to quietkitten ? Sheesh, with your uninhibited approach, and with material like that, sissy bets you can really break the ice at parties ...

*sissy makes a note to himself to check with the mods whether there is some kind of maximum I.O. limit for posting on this thread that he's violating*

Nothing i am not talking about any personal conflicts here just the topic in general.
This topic is about “forced” masculinity and that’s all I am going to talk about here.
You have a problem with me go to the mods.
I am going to stay on topic here
Mantis

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 8:33:46 PM

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This thread has gotten a bit out of control. If you cannot contribute to the original thread then please pass this one by...

And for the record I have not idea what I.O is supposed to mean.

sorry if i caused any trouble mod 3 let me know if i am doing something wrong here
mantis

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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 8:48:26 PM

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ORIGINAL: ModeratorThree

And for the record I have not idea what I.O is supposed to mean.

IO is a computer term for input/output. It refers to the amount of posts she herself is doing I think, but I could be wrong. It could be referencing another IO.

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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 8:55:18 PM

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sorry sissymaidlola
I did the reply button thing wrong
my reply wasn’t directed at you personally that was just a general statement had nothing to do with your post
mantis

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/26/2005 9:54:59 PM

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ORIGINAL: subgreg
My personal idea of what makes me a man is vaguely definable. I would say it includes honor, commitment, integrity, protection of those I care about and selflessness as well as the physical characteristics. (I do realize that those traits are not just masculine, but they are part of my definition.)

Subgreg, thank you for sharing your thoughts. Yes, it is a bit hard to say what makes a person 'masculine'. I do not think I could come up with a list that everyone agreed with. Its a bit like peeling away layers of an onion looking for its essence... each layer of the onion has some of the character but it is all of the layers put together which makes us say that is an onion or that is a masculine person.

I am thinking that this discussion is about traditional gender roles. In MaleDom/femsub relations obviously the traditional gender roles are preserved. And perhaps the Dommes who have expressed their preference here are simply saying that they too like the traditional roles. As one Domina expressed it, the man should treat the woman as a delicate flower, to be protected and carefully looked after to preserve its exquisite beauty.

In other words, the gender roles are fundamentally the same in both - but with slightly diffferent emphasis.

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/26/2005 10:28:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: subgreg
I understand that this thread is concerned more with the female's idea of what is masculine, but it is very important for a man to understand and be comfortable in his own masculinity if he is to be successful in pleasing the woman he loves. My personal idea of what makes me a man is vaguely definable. I would say it includes honor, commitment, integrity, protection of those I care about and selflessness as well as the physical characteristics. (I do realize that those traits are not just masculine, but they are part of my definition.)

Thank you for this. I agree it's important for every man to define what masculinity means for him.

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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 10:35:05 PM

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ORIGINAL: ModeratorThree

This thread has gotten a bit out of control. If you cannot contribute to the original thread then please pass this one by...

Thank you Mod3 - Your intervention is much appreciated.

I want to thank all of you who have made positive contributions to this thread to date. I have appreciated very much knowing that I'm not the only one with this kink.

- LA

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/26/2005 10:40:06 PM

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And perhaps the Dommes who have expressed their preference here are simply saying that they too like the traditional roles.

chris,

I'd say traditional roles with a twist. I admit, I'm a sucker for a manly man. I like to feel like a woman in his presence, I like him socially dominant, an alpha male but when it comes to his dynamic with me, I want him to treat me like his goddess and kneel before me.

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RE: boys will be boys - 2/26/2005 10:46:05 PM

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In fact it is.

First of all, a man's G-spot is up his ass. He needs to get in touch with that.

Also, in ancient Greece, being sodomised by another man was a rite of passage for a boy. So it is with me ;)

There is nothing un-masculine about homosexual activity (I'm not saying that by me having a man sodomised, he is a homosexual but the activity of sex between 2 people of the same gender is a homosexual act). Look at the leather boys! <purrs>

To me this isn’t about emasculation as much as it is about submission.
Especially if the sub isn’t Bi this is for the Dommes pleasure mostly though i am sure the humiliation aspect some subs would love.

Uh huh. It's all about my "pleahzuuureee" *growls softly

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/26/2005 11:06:29 PM

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I'd say traditional roles with a twist. I admit, I'm a sucker for a manly man. I like to feel like a woman in his presence, I like him socially dominant, an alpha male but when it comes to his dynamic with me, I want him to treat me like his goddess and kneel before me.

for me i dont see myself as an alpha male in anyway
but there are parts of my life I have to be in control of on an independent basis. I am not much of a leader of others I work best alone at what I do for a living. I am not anti-social just like to be independent and work alone on stuff.

To me being masculine means being who I am now not trying to act any other way. There are features to me that maybe considered feminine like I am very sensitive about the feelings of others etc.
I don’t see myself as an alpha in anyway. I am pretty submissive in general not a wus I will stand up for myself. Anyway I guess my point is in order to submit I don’t have a need to feel “less male”. Again this is how I feel about myself no one else…
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RE: forced masculinity - 2/26/2005 11:30:10 PM

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ORIGINAL: mantis65
Anyway I guess my point is in order to submit I don’t have a need to feel “less male”. Again this is how I feel about myself no one else…
mantis

Personally, for us ... the manliest thing a man can do is admit what it is that he wants and attempt to get it - being a submissive of any kind doesn't make someone unmanly, the only thing that can make them unmanly is how they go about it - the attitude. To us, there is nothing sexier or more manly than a guy who can get down on his knees and look up at us and tell us that he wants to submit and that he will do anything we ask of him - because he knows what he wants and needs deep down and he is willing to admit it to himself and to others so that he can get what he needs.

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/26/2005 11:50:00 PM

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To me being masculine means being who I am now not trying to act any other way.

Very important indeed.

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There are features to me that maybe considered feminine like I am very sensitive about the feelings of others etc.

I consider that to be compassionate, not feminine.

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I don’t see myself as an alpha in anyway. I am pretty submissive in general not a wus I will stand up for myself. Anyway I guess my point is in order to submit I don’t have a need to feel “less male”. Again this is how I feel about myself no one else…

Exactly. Your masculinity need not be attacked. :)

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