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RE: forced masculinity - 2/25/2005 9:58:50 PM   
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That's Yes Miss! ;)


I'm so glad that I'm not the only one who hates being called "ma'am" ... it always makes me feel like an old-time school marm... blech

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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 9:05:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: onceburned

Dayton, there may be better subs than you but I certainly am not one of them. I am just a novice, trying to learn how to please a woman who wants to be pleased. I don't have the experience that so many others have... especially sub-eric (wow!). But I intend to...


You boys are so cute when you are being modest ;)

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A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 12:16:28 PM   
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Hmmm, so what is it about the "" symbol that plainly identified sissy's post as satire that You didn't understand, Lady Angelika ?

To completely deconstruct a light-hearted humorous post point by point like You have done, Miss, is, to say the least, more than a little anally retentive. sissy Is not going to respond in like kind, Miss, first because he doesn't have the time or energy, but more importantly, because Your response to his post was really quite inappropriate, and to respond in like kind would only mean that sissy validates such a riposte. However some kind of acknowledging response by sissy to Your post is called for, Lady Angelika. Overall, Miss, You appear to have completely misunderstood the simply humorous, entirely entertainment motivated intent of sissy's post. Furthermore, You seem to have incorrectly construed somewhat flippant comments against "women in general" to have been, for some reason, directed against You personally, Miss, when it is clear to any reader with half a brain (some of whom have posted responses to sissy's post on Your thread) that that is not the case. Most of your reply post was restrained and relatively polite, Lady Angelika, even if a little over-analytical and self-indulgent given the clearly humorous context of sissy's post, but near the end of Your post You do appear to have thrown away any civil restraint, and resorted to uncalled for accusations against, and personal attacks on, sissy.

In so personalizing matters, Lady Angelika, You have unfortunately created a lose-lose situation ... even if sissy addresses the obvious inaccuracy and absurdity of Your unsubstantiated comments, the overall impression left of Your thread on the reader will still be a very negative one. In the domain of internet posting, writing responses to unjust lies and ad hominem attacks such as Yours, even when they lucidly re-address the balance, still seem to have the lasting effect of doubling the negativity rather than nullifying it. It is this basic paradox that trolls feed off ... nothing gives them greater pleasure than to see someone try to reason rationally with a bigot.

You do not know sissy at all, Lady Angelika, and therefore have no basis whatsoever to make comments such as "Again, your pent up anger is unleashed on me. The thing is, it almost makes me feel sorry for you, to see that you have to act out in such a defensive way." You appear to misintepret self-deprecation and humor for defensiveness. Anyone reading sissy's post and then that absurd comment can see where the anger really lies. Definitely, anyone that has ever taken the trouble to read sissy's posts on this message board (as well as on other boards) or to read his profile and journal over on the other side of CollarMe, will know how preposterous such a comment is. And sissy can say for certain that anyone that has ever corresponded with him, or knows him in real life - either the alpha male side or the projected "sissy lola" side - is right now rolling on the floor with snot flying out their noses at such a stupid and unsubstantial accusation.

So for this go-around sissy will simply request that You self-censure Yourself, Lady Angelika. Please review Your post and remove anything in it that You have written that is personal, hateful or unprovable. sissy Isn't going to tell You which comments those are because that would have the same effect as him writing rebuttals to all of them ... it would merely double their presence in cyberspace and other readers' minds, thereby reinforcing them rather than nullifying them. You are a mature, intelligent person, Miss, with a heart, brain and a soul ... please use them responsibly. Finally, just a few friendly words of advice. If You don't like something that someone posts on Your thread, as Your first recourse, try PMing them and asking them to modify or remove it. If you had requested sissy in such a manner to delete his post he would happily have done so, Miss, and he is still willing to do so now. But You need to communicate, Lady Angelika, not rant. If that person is unreasonably stubborn and refuses to oblige a reasonable request, then that is the time to start posting tirades and rebuttals, not before. Whatever it was in his post that hit a nerve of Yours, Miss, by quoting from the post and then rebutting it, all You have achieved is a doubling or tripling of the presence of whatever it is that You didn't want to see or hear in the first place.

For the record, sissy's post was merely a tongue-in-cheek satirical rant that was entirely on-topic for Your thread and designed to both amuse You (its primary goal) as well as bring a little light and happiness into the lives of the other readers of Your thread. To have reacted the way that You did to it was the equivalent of a mother flying into a rage at the gift from Her child. The post advocated, albeit satirically, viewpoints that are basically "anti-Feminist-agenda" and "pro-male-submission-and-service" ... two concepts that You Yourself would appear to support both in Your posted writings in this thread as well as elsewhere. So it was hardly attacking You or Your core values, nor making false accusations about them, but quite the opposite, it was providing a humorous support for them.

Nor did sissy's post "change the name of Your thread" or even suggest doing that, Lady Angelika. sissy Is assuming that that is a reference to the title of his post: "Emasculated pink men." However, that title is a direct quote from Your own post, and it was the words sissy quoted from your post at the head of his own that were the ultimate incentive for sissy deciding to make a contribution to Your thread. Giving one's post a unique title that provides a short pithy summary of its content for the reader is standard message board (mb) etiquette ... but most mb posters are simply too lazy, or too ignorant, to use that feature, and instead just use the default "RE:" option as a title, whether their post is regarding the subject matter of the previous post or not. To accuse sissy of "changing the name of Your thread" when he was, in fact, merely following proper mb protocol, only reflects Your own ignorance WRT standard message board conventions, not to mention a reflection of Your own paranoia in attempting to manipulate a completely innocent action into something devious and cunning on the part of sissy.

You started Your post with the old "making an ASS out of U and ME" saw ... but as things stand, despite Your attempt to spin it to the contrary, it is obvious to anyone reading both posts that sissy has no need to try and make an ass out of You, Miss ... because You are doing a really swell job of it all by Yourself. Please lighten up a little and enjoy life, and do not take Yourself and Your BDSM interests so seriously. You might also want to take a read of the "Is humor attractive ?" thread.

Sincerely Yours,

sissy maid lola





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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 1:12:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sissymaidlola
To completely deconstruct a light-hearted humorous post point by point like You have done, Miss, is, to say the least, more than a little anally retentive.
Furthermore, You seem to have incorrectly construed somewhat flippant comments against "women in general" to have been, for some reason, directed against You personally, Miss, when it is clear to any reader with half a brain (some of whom have posted responses to sissy's post on Your thread) that that is not the case.

Anyone reading sissy's post and then that absurd comment can see where the anger really lies.
The post advocated, albeit satirically, viewpoints that are basically "anti-Feminist-agenda" and "pro-male-submission-and-service" .

Dear Sissy,
In defense of LadyA, I will state (and I'm pretty sure I have at least half a brain), that I too was disconcerted by your 1st post in response to LadyA's thread, and wasn't quite sure what to think when the next posters said "you sure are funny." I didn't respond because I felt LadyA is capable of answering to anyone on her thread, but I definitely did not laugh after reading it.

I won't deny that I too am a little anally retentive about a few things, but I do also have a sense of humor, though I don't find All things funny. I've met/chat with men I considered mysoginystic sissies; so that having/being a sissy (fetish) doesn't to me equate to love of women.

I will say that I'm beginning to understand and like you better, maybe next time, I will take your advice and email you on the other side asking WTF...
Welcome to collarme, M


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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 3:13:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sissymaidlola
Hmmm, so what is it about the "" symbol that plainly identified sissy's post as satire that You didn't understand, Lady Angelika ?


You write a ridiculously long post attacking me repeatedly and then try and back peddle and call it satire? Again. Get real.

No need to read past this first sentence of your latest pink spew fest as I have much more important things to do with my time than read your disjointed ramblings. All you are to me is a waste of bandwidth.

Take your pink frilly panties and cram them way deep up your ass, if you can manage to get them past your head.

- LA


< Message edited by LadyAngelika -- 2/26/2005 3:14:07 PM >


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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 3:46:53 PM   
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*goes all drill seargent*
Jesus H Christ Son, this isn't friggen boot camp if it was your ass would be grass, cut the third person, and the damn long repetitive posts.
To the point, always to the point. You get me?

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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 3:58:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: WulfMan

*goes all drill seargent*
Jesus H Christ Son, this isn't friggen boot camp if it was your ass would be grass, cut the third person, and the damn long repetitive posts.
To the point, always to the point. You get me?


*blinks*

Dayton, let me presume that this post was *not* in reply to me as the indicator in the bottom right hand corner suggests...

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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 4:02:00 PM   
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Heh heh heh,

woopsy

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 4:05:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sissymaidlola

Hmmm, so what is it about the "" symbol that plainly identified sissy's post as satire that You didn't understand, Lady Angelika ?

After realizing that your attempt at satire failed, perhaps it would have been more appropriate to reply with an apology rather than more personal attacks? Just a thought...

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 4:22:54 PM   
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Lola, I understood your feminism post to be satire. That others might have misconstrued it surely was forseeable... it has happened often enough here in these message boards.

But surely you simply needed to point the humorous intent to Lady Angelika. I do not see the point in a prolonged and personally insulting post. A soft word turns away wrath.

Your most recent message in this thread was rude. I don't expect you to apologize but I would expect you that, in the future, you give more thought before you indulge your baser emotions (feelings that we all feel from time to time) in a public forum.

Your message was impolite, uncalled for and -beneath- you. You are a better person than what you revealed in that post.

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 4:23:28 PM   
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Ah, but that would be too easy.

Personally, I did not read the first reply that lola made after the first paragraph, I felt that it was another post like 71's that really had no place here - I did not see the humor in it either. And when I come across wrong, if someone misunderstands me - no matter what my intent actually was, I at least have the courtesy to say "hey, I'm sorry you misunderstood me, that isn't how I meant that to be taken" ... I do not make fun of whoever didn't get the "joke" (term used loosely in this context).

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RE: thanks for the giggles - 2/26/2005 7:36:36 PM   
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quote:

Damn Sissy!! You are one funny person!!
Thank you for the giggles, I would love to meet you in perosn, I bet you are just a riot!
Hi quietkitten,

Thanks for your kind comments and encouragement. sissy Appreciates that you have both a sense of humor and an independent intelligent mind, unlike some of the other Canadians posting on this thread. Thanks for having the giggles ... as someone that likes to make others happy that pleases sissy very much. Vive la giggles!

sissy Looked up "perosn" in his atlas and sees that it is in the Czech Republic. Perhaps we can hook up next time that sissy visits the OWK ? He's the house parlor maid there, in case you didn't know. Maybe we could even bounce a few Czechs together *wink*.

Until then you could always try PMing sissy over on the "other side" (doo-dee doo-doo, doo-dee doo-doo ... ) of CollarMe. Ya never know, sissy might even respond to it *giggles*.

sissy Has to go now ... for some reason he has a full inbox of PMs to respond to today. Actually, from the tone of the last few messages he has just read in his inbox, that probably should have read "a full inbox of PMS." And sissy has still not found time yet today to clean the kitchen floor with a toothbrush (got to keep his hand in, don't ya know). Perhaps he'll cheat just this one time and use two toothbrushes ... sssh, don't tell anyone, sissy will get into big trouble if you do! Take care.

Yours faithfrilly,

sissy maid lola





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RE: thanks for the giggles - 2/26/2005 7:48:00 PM   
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In fact it is.

First of all, a man's G-spot is up his ass. He needs to get in touch with that.

Also, in ancient Greece, being sodomised by another man was a rite of passage for a boy. So it is with me ;)

There is nothing un-masculine about homosexual activity (I'm not saying that by me having a man sodomised, he is a homosexual but the activity of sex between 2 people of the same gender is a homosexual act). Look at the leather boys! <purrs>


To me this isn’t about emasculation as much as it is about submission.
Especially if the sub isn’t Bi this is for the Dommes pleasure mostly though i am sure the humiliation aspect some subs would love.

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RE: thanks for the giggles - 2/26/2005 7:49:38 PM   
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In fact it is.

First of all, a man's G-spot is up his ass. He needs to get in touch with that.

Also, in ancient Greece, being sodomised by another man was a rite of passage for a boy. So it is with me ;)

There is nothing un-masculine about homosexual activity (I'm not saying that by me having a man sodomised, he is a homosexual but the activity of sex between 2 people of the same gender is a homosexual act). Look at the leather boys! <purrs>



To me this isn’t about emasculation as much as it is about submission.
Especially if the sub isn’t Bi this is for the Dommes pleasure mostly though i am sure the humiliation aspect some subs would love.

I have notice when a Dom has two straight women subs do this for his pleasure there’s less of a problem with it.
mantis

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 7:53:38 PM   
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She didn't "dog TS/TV/CD's," she took issue with the behavior of two specific individuals.

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 7:57:14 PM   
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I'm not defending anything. I'm pointing out where your statement was grossly incorrect.

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 8:00:05 PM   
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No it wasnt. I was spot on and correct.

She needs to cut the crap and stop hurling insults at TV/TS/CD's.

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RE: forced masculinity - 2/26/2005 8:02:12 PM   
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I would say that my masculinity falls somewhere between overcompensating macho and emasculated little pink boy. I feel that this is pretty typical of most American males. I don't really think of myself as being "masculine," (my Domme disagrees and says I am quite masculine) but I would have to say I do have various qualities that are considered masculine to varying degrees. When I think about what it means to be masculine I find it hard to pick out individual qualities that make one "masculine."

I think that many qualities that people consider lines of masculine are more along the lines of common courtesy. If I open a door for someone, I don't think I am exercising my masculinity. I think I am just being courteous. If I help someone struggling with packages, be it male or female, I am just doing the right thing. What many of us consider the disappearance of chivalry, is merely just a small piece of societies loss of common courtesy as a whole. These days, people are often too caught up in their own problems and concerns to care about the people around them. Their feelings of entitlement and ever increasing insulation from community have created an environment where interacting with those around you is the exception, rather than the rule.

It is easy to blame the loss of chivalry on feminism and it is true that in part feminism is to blame. But growing up, I do not recall ever being chided or reprimanded for exhibiting common courtesy. I understand that in the previous generation, this did happen and males were conditioned away from it. In an effort to create equality, we have blurred the line between men and women socially. It is possible to be different yet equal. The concept of feminism and strong women doesn't mean that women should be the same as men. It means they should have the same respect and opportunities as men. I personally love strong women and value their way of expressing their femininity.

I will say that as a young adult, I often speculated what being a man meant. I received many conflicting views on what was required. It was left up to me to determine for myself what defined me as a man and that is what it comes down to. We as men need to decide for ourselves what being a man means to us.

I understand that this thread is concerned more with the female's idea of what is masculine, but it is very important for a man to understand and be comfortable in his own masculinity if he is to be successful in pleasing the woman he loves. My personal idea of what makes me a man is vaguely definable. I would say it includes honor, commitment, integrity, protection of those I care about and selflessness as well as the physical characteristics. (I do realize that those traits are not just masculine, but they are part of my definition.)

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RE: A response for the comically challenged - 2/26/2005 8:07:14 PM   
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She didn't "dog TS/TV/CD's," she took issue with the behavior of two specific individuals.

~stef


I think this thread as been misunderstood by some, its not anti-TS/TV/CD's.
It’s not really about them.. it’s a about masculine slaves/subs and Dommes that want these sort of slave/subs.
I personaly have nothing against TS/TV/CD's its not wrong…. its not for me.
mantis

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RE: masculine subs - 2/26/2005 8:10:38 PM   
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No need to read past this first sentence of your latest pink spew fest as I have much more important things to do with my time than read your disjointed ramblings. All you are to me is a waste of bandwidth.

Take your pink frilly panties and cram them way deep up your ass, if you can manage to get them past your head.


WOW!!!


What happened to the Educated, cultured, intelligent well traveled, elite Lady Angelika?

Amazing how people show their true colors after a while.

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