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ORIGINAL: sissymaidlola

How can sissy possibly miss the point of his own thread ?

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The point of sissy's thread was to get CollarMe kinksters to think about three different forms of consensual permanent male emasculation and to vote, based on their individual merits, for the one that appealed the most to them. That is the point of this thread. Period.

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So how did you vote, stef ?

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-explodes with laughter-

Hmmm ... only the other day sissy seems to remember reading something in the newspaper about this new terrorist phenomenon that poses a grave new threat to America's homeland security ... exploding suicide Dommers ! <giggles>

sissy maid lola




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(in reply to MadameDahlia)

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Hi sissy. I voted in your poll so you wouldn't be depressed. I voted for castration. I mean one less "active male" is just perfect in my mind. And also because I wanted to use you as an experiment to see how you would change.
The one thing I hope doesn't change though, is your style of writing. It's exemplary! You have added much to this place! Much less boring with you around.

Well, thank You very much, Ma'am <curtsey> for Your vote. Rumor has it that all three votes for castration were made by Lady Angelika ... so please tell sissy what You really voted for, Ma'am ? Oh, BTW, sissy hopes that You do realize that this is just a fantasy poll, Ma'am ... whatever You vote for won't necessarily come to pass. In that sense, sissy's poll is just like the last two U.S. presidential elections ... only without the hanging chad. sissy Is the incumbent and he gets to decide if he should actually be castrated or not regardless of what You vote for, Ma'am ... so yahboo sucks to You, Mistress <giggles>.

But as for changing, Ma'am, sissy is now getting too old to change ... even castration probably wouldn't change him at this point. The most positive thing that could possibly come out of castrating sissy at this juncture is that he would get a new pair of soft pink fuzzy dangly earrings. The downside is that he would have no one to play pocket billiards with any more! Thank You also for Your kind words about sissy's writing, Ma'am, and please feel free to vote in sissy's poll as often as You want - particularly if it is for option(a).

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola




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(in reply to BitchQueen)

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Come on sissy, PLEASE try castration.

Oh dear, Mistress, sissy can't do as You ask, Ma'am. If sissy gets castrated then his thingy ... You know ... his whatsit ... well it wil be all fl-fl-flac ... then he'll have no lead in his pencil, will he Ma'am ? And without lead in his pencil sissy won't be able to write any more, will he, Ma'am ? Then what ?

Of course, there are certain members of CollarMe that will be only too happy that sissy won't be able to write any more ...

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola




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(in reply to BitchQueen)

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i have been castrated for a year now and i can still get it hard enough to satisfy my mate.

Thanks for sharing, craftywulf. Perhaps you would care to elaborate a little on what caused you to seek castration in the first place, as well as explain to sissy how you can still get hard without a male libido (which, as sissy understands it, disappears without the male hormone testosterone) ?

sissy maid lola




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(in reply to craftywulf)

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I voted for permanent chastity because that was the longer term.
The longest period my submissive has been in a device was 17 weeks. I took it off once or twice a week for cleaning.. and use :)

Hi there, Ms Cameron, and thanks for voting in sissy's poll, Ma'am. But You have sissy a little confused here, Ma'am. What You described as having done to Your own submissive is option (a), Ma'am. You were keeping him in permanent (well permanent for 17 weeks <giggles>) short term chastity - releasing him for sanitary purposes, and in order to "use him," once or twice a week. Under option (b) he may have only been released at most once or twice in that whole period of 17 weeks, strictly for sanitary and cleaning maintenance purposes, and with no intent of use by You, Ma'am (although he could always hope for it ... in fact, that is probably the only thought that would keep the chaste submissive going throughout each lengthy confinement period). Regular anal prostrate milkings are a must with option (b), and also need to be done with option (a) should Mistress decide NOT to reward Her sissy with a hand milking (or something even more exalted, such as servicing his Mistress as a man) during any of the twice weekly maintenance releases.

So sissy just wanted to make sure You realized You were voting for something more severe than what You were prepared to do to Your own submissive, Ma'am. In which case, would You care to share why You didn't pursue option (b) with Your own submissive ? sissy Would also like to know why You stopped Your submissive's chastity confinement after 17 weeks, Ma'am, and what You enjoy the most about keeping Your submissive in chastity confinement ? Is it his subsequent obedient and obeisant behavior (this would appeal to the D/s type Domme) or his continual frustration and helplessness (this would appeal more to the Sadistic Domme), a bit of both, or some other rewards for the Domme that sissy hasn't even considered here, Ma'am ? Once again, thank You for both voting and posting here, Ms Cameron.

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola




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(in reply to MsCameron)

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The reason it ended at 17 weeks was unplanned.

Thank You for responding once again, Ms Cameron. sissy Realized while reading Your reply that he may have misunderstood what You had meant when You referred to "using" Your sub, Ma'am. sissy Had initially assumed that this included orgasm of some kind (either via wanking or coitus or even some other means), but that it was, of course, totally unpredictable for Your submissive whether he would be so used by You. But sissy now thinks that what You are telling him is that even when You used Your sub as, say, Your human dildo, he still wasn't allowed to cum. Your sub was effectively only permitted an erection and major teasing and torment during his twice weekly maintenance releases, and he would be returned to chastity confinement each time still without achieving any kind of release. Hence, when he did accidentally come without permission in the 17th week, that by definition ended that period of long term chastity. Ouch!

Now sissy thinks about it, this nefarious scenario should have been an additional option in sissy's poll. It is more akin to option (b) in that the sub knows he is neither expected nor permitted to orgasm while he is out of his chastity device, but with the maintenance release frequency and teasing and torment level of option (a). What sissy had envisioned with option (a) was that he would get fairly regular orgasm releases during his regular twice or three times weekly release from the chastity device, but that it was all at the whim of his Mistress, and the orgasm releases would be by fairly humiliating methods (such as having to kneel in front of his Mistress' boyfriend and play with himself, or having to sit on his Mistress' lap in front of a room full of Her friends while She clinically milked him into his frilly panties, that kind of thing).

As humiliating as these releases might be for sissy, nevertheless he would still work hard at being a perfect maid while confined in order that he was in good favor with his Mistress, so that he wouldn't be returned to chastity confinement without at least having had a humiliating release. Technically, under this scenario, if he was a totally obedient, dutiful and near perfect sissy maid all the time he was confined, he would be treated to release, albeit a very humiliating one, as frequently as every few days (although nothing is guaranteed under this scenario), but if he screwed up and upset his Mistress (or She was just in a mischievously Sadistic mood) he might go for weeks or even months unrewarded (i.e., not allowed to even touch himself while released from confinement). In fact, a repeatedly naughty sissy might get less orgasm release under option (a) than a well-behaved sissy given an unexpected treat under option (b) !

sissy Thinks that the scenario You do with Your own submissive lies somewhere between sissy's options (a) and (b), and if sissy ran this poll again he would include it as such. He would also change option (c) into three options: (c) castration only; (d) penectomy only; (e) castration and penectomy. sissy Would love to hear what You feel about the relative dynamics of the three poll scenarios as they stand, Ma'am. They say that castrated males become very serene and, as sissy argued in his OP, they would probably be more focused on their chores, and possibly also more loyal. You state that Your sub's behavior was not significantly modified by his being in chastity confinement, but then again, he had no incentive with Your scenario to work any harder to please You because he had nothing to gain by it upon release from confinement. If You had added that kind of reward and punishment hook into his situation You may have seen a serious modification in his demeanor, assuming, that is, that he craved the orgasmic release that was now theoretically achievable.

Finally, Ma'am, is sissy correct in his understanding that You keep Your submissive in the chastity situation so described above until eventually he accidentally orgasms, thereby ending the chastity period, and then You give him a couple of weeks off before starting the cycle all over again ? If so, how many of these cycles have You been through with him, and what is his typical length of chastity (obviously something less than 17 weeks) ? It sounds to sissy like Your sub has just finished a period of lengthy chastity and is currently in the two week furlough period before his next cycle commences. Did sissy interpret this correctly, Ms Cameron ?

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola




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(in reply to MsCameron)

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But sissy now thinks that what You are telling him is that even when You used Your sub as, say, Your human dildo, he still wasn't allowed to cum. Your sub was effectively only permitted an erection and major teasing and torment during his twice weekly maintenance releases, and he would be returned to chastity confinement each time still without achieving any kind of release. Hence, when he did accidentally come without permission in the 17th week, that by definition ended that period of long term chastity. Ouch!

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You state that Your sub's behavior was not significantly modified by his being in chastity confinement, but then again, he had no incentive with Your scenario to work any harder to please You because he had nothing to gain by it upon release from confinement.

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If You had added that kind of reward and punishment hook into his situation You may have seen a serious modification in his demeanor, assuming, that is, that he craved the orgasmic release that was now theoretically achievable.

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Finally, Ma'am, is sissy correct in his understanding that You keep Your submissive in the chastity situation so described above until eventually he accidentally orgasms, thereby ending the chastity period, and then You give him a couple of weeks off before starting the cycle all over again ? If so, how many of these cycles have You been through with him, and what is his typical length of chastity (obviously something less than 17 weeks) ? It sounds to sissy like Your sub has just finished a period of lengthy chastity and is currently in the two week furlough period before his next cycle commences. Did sissy interpret this correctly, Ms Cameron

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Thank you for the conversation. I'm enjoying it :)

Dear Ms Cameron,

Thank You once again for Your reply, Ma'am. sissy Is also enjoying this conversation because You have caused him to think about a completely new chastity scenario that had not occurred to him before (or, at least, had not distinguished it self as significantly different from the other two). Let sissy give You some background here, Ma'am. This is not the first time sissy has run this poll, but the third. The first time he ran it the wording of the first two options was skewed more to the type of chastity device that should be used - e.g. a lockable penis tube such as the CB3000 for option (a) versus something more robust, such as a Tollyboy chastity belt, for the longer term confinement required by option (b). This was where sissy's interest lay at the time, and it was thinking about the merits of various chastity devices WRT how long they could be worn without requiring removal for sanitary maintenance purpose, whether they permitted erections while being worn, and whether they were robust enough to withstand some pretty desperate attempts at removal from someone that had been kept chaste a long time, etc. that caused him to come up with the poll in the first place.

The second time sissy ran the poll, based on feedback from conversations like this one that he had with the poll participants, he changed the emphasis of the first two options to reflect the different goals of the duration of actual chastity achieved versus the two different cycles of confinement and release used to attain them. He also added in something on the submissive's psychology WRT all three options. Once again, based on feedback from conversations like this one that he had with the second poll participants, this time out sissy wanted to explore further the psychological aspect of the three options. What intrigues sissy about what You reported You are doing with Your submissive, Ma'am, is not so much the mechanisms of the chastity control - which, at a pinch, can be mapped to either option (a) or option (b) - but the psychology of it for the submissive male. Your scenario, Ma'am, encompasses an unique submissive psychology that, given sissy's current focus and interest in that area, makes him consider it a new chastity option.

To run a poll and encourage people to participate in it, one has to keep the option descriptions fairly simple otherwise folk lose interest and don't vote. Yet behind this poll there exists a much more complex "profile" that addresses each of the different aspects of the chastity process that differentiate the three options. sissy Has now added a new fourth option profile for Your particular scenario. If You are interested, sissy can PM You a copy of it. Note that one of the common misapprehensions that people have WRT the three chastity options currently presented in the poll (if one can call castration a form of chastity) is that they differ in duration of chastity control. But that is not the case. All three of the poll options address only PERMANENT chastity control - they differ, however, in how they go about achieving that permanent control. The different duration of chastity addressed by the three poll options - viz. (a) short term, (b) long term, and (c) permanent - represents only a single aspect of each of the three control options.

Although, on the surface, the scenario where a guy buys himself a chastity tube and continually locks himself up for three days at a time would appear to be exactly the same as option (a), it really is nothing of the sort. Even if the chastity device used and confinement-release cycles are all the same, the psychological dynamics involved in the two scenarios are very, very different. And despite the fact that orgasm and erection denial have very tangible physical effects on the male involved, nevertheless, chastity play is ultimately all about the mind control exerted by the Keyholder over Her charge, rather than the body control. But sissy is quite sure he doesn't have to explain this to You, Ma'am, since You are currently enjoying the fruits of exercising that mind and body control.

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As I read this I realized I do not bargain submission or service for sexual release. He is in chastity because it pleases me. There's something about rewarding release for service that bothers me. If I allow him release, it's because I feel like it, it would please me not because he has done an exceptional job of shaving my legs which he should have done so in the first place. Not as a means to an end.

Aha, there are two perspectives involved here, Ma'am. There is what You, as Keyholder, actually do to Your submissive in this option, Ma'am, and then there is what he perceives You are doing to him. To best explain that, let sissy quote from the profile for option (a):

Submissive Psychological Attitude: He believes that he can ultimately influence his fate by working harder and being more obedient and servile. Whether this, indeed, has any influence at all on his Mistress and Her actions is entirely another matter. Mistress can cultivate this belief and use it to Her advantage - both as a control tool and for Her own amusement. Obviously, fairly frequent orgasm release rewards have to be granted in order to maintain this "mindf**k" - otherwise the despondency and resignation of options (d) through (f) could set in. However, if release is only permitted in forms that are extremely degrading and humiliating for the submissive, such that they subliminally reinforce the submissive's true status and predicament, they can be used to further control the submissive and push him deeper into his subservience to his Mistress, while all the while the submissive brings on his own deeper subjugation by regarding these reinforcing activities as rewards and doing everything he possibly can to try and ensure that they occur as frequently as possible! Any orgasm that the submissive is permitted will only reinforce his desire to achieve it again and make him constantly aware of what he is being deprived of when orgasm is not granted. There exists a very powerful sexual tension between Mistress and submissive with this option.

For the record, option (b) is Your chastity control scenario, Ma'am, option (c) is the current poll option (b), and options (d) - (f) are respectively: castration only, penectomy only, and castration with penectomy. And it is a basic assumption of options (a) through (c) that male organ confinement ALWAYS prevents full erections ... these can only be obtained by the submissive during confinement release periods. This assumption unfortunately rules out the use of certain chastity devices for the first three options that are otherwise exemplary. The denial / suppression of erections has an even more devastating potential for the total control of the male that even simple orgasm control does, yet this facet of male organ confinement is usually totally overlooked by those that fantasize about chastity control. This represents yet another one of the chastity control aspects defined in the option profiles. The full list of aspects is as follows:

Duration of Chastity Control
Duration of Each Confinement
Duration of Non-Confinement
Duration of Chastity
Frequency of Full Erections
Method of Orgasm Release
Submissive Psychological Attitude
Submissive Health Maintenance
Chastity Device Most Applicable

Option (a) was initially envisioned by sissy to provide a permanent chastity control scenario that he might himself be prepared to sign up for in a lifestyle D/s relationship with a loving Domme. Based on his own experiments in this area, sissy could never see himself foregoing orgasm of some kind for more than a few days at a time, so he wanted an option that would provide Her with permanent chastity control over him that would also meet the frequent orgasm criterion. The other two poll options are scenarios that sissy wouldn't even start to consider. The new scenario You implement with Your own sub is also too severe for sissy, Ma'am. The dynamic tension of potential reward and punishment involved with option (a) also appealed to sissy. Option (a) could be used as a major behavior modifier with sissy ... if he screwed up, it would only require just a single look or word from Mistress to let him know that the next orgasm that he was looking forward to had just evaporated as a result of his carelessness or oversight.

The thought of a Mistress having that level of control over his happiness, and being able to execute that power with such consummate ease (with, say, just the raising of Her eyebrows in a certain way) sissy finds very exhilarating, to say the least. The idea of using his chastity as the ultimate incentive or punishment in the never-ending conditioning of his personality to meet his Mistress' goals fits very nicely with the whole "maid training" concept that goes along with the sissy maid fantasy. It would be expected that the Domme in such a scenario - viz. a loving D/s relationship - would not Sadistically abuse Her privileges and power granted by option (a), but would equally reward him (when merited) as well as punish him, and sissy would, in fact, have some potential control (from the bottom) over his own situation by always being on his best behavior. sissy Does not consider that situation as "topping from the bottom" but rather as more of a case of "learning his lessons and performing his assigned duties well." The kind of Domme that sissy seeks is one that would be into sensual D/s - sissy is not a masochist or pain slut, and consequently not into pain - and clearly the actions of the Domme just described would fit that description.

But You sound like You might be more of a Sadist, Ma'am, and rather than the great behavior modification possibilities of this option appealing to You, it would be the knowledge that Your submissive was squirming out of the frustration of the whole situation, and not to mention also in some physical discomfort at being denied full erection and/or orgasm for the nth consecutive release from confinement. LOL But with a little bit of tweaking, sissy was able to change option (a) so that it can also be used in an S&M fashion like the other five options (b) through (f) as described above. By turning the whole reward-punishment thing into one delicious mindf**k, the whole scenario can be used quite sadistically against the submissive. In either case, the full dynamic possibilities of option (a) - versus the other five options - are retained, and it can be used in both a nurturing D/s context as well as a pernicious S&M one too!

One final note WRT submissive health maintenance. There is a medically established connection between the instance of male prostrate cancer and low frequency of ejaculation. It is not the ejaculation that is important, but the fluid (sperm) release. For option (a), where orgasm release is intended to happen fairly frequently, and even a really naughty sissy might only go a maximum of a few weeks without orgasm, finding an alternative method of releasing this fluid is not too important. However, regular anal prostrate milkings become imperative in option (b) in the current poll, as well as the option that describes Your own scenario, Ma'am, where the submissive may go for months on end without orgasm release (i.e., being chaste). You made no mention of prostrate milkings in Your prior posts on this topic, Ma'am, but if You are not doing them You are putting Your submissive's health at some potential risk, and sissy just wanted to make You aware of this situation.

Respectfrilly Yours,

sissy maid lola





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(in reply to MsCameron)

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I was in chastity a few times...its exiting at first but for me...It was always good to get out.

So, dani, would you be willing to share with us how long you were in chastity confinement, what type of chastity device was used, and what kind of orgasm release were you permitted on release from confinement ?

sissy maid lola




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(in reply to Sissyslave71)

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Indeed. Penectomy without castration would be the worst of all worlds. I imagine almost all persons in this situation have had it done non-consensually.

You seem to have put some thought into the condition of the uncastrated male that has a penectomy, onceburned. Do you have any thoughts what his mental state would be along the lines of the three brief psychological profiles sissy included for each of his poll options ? With testes still intact, the male would presumably maintain his testosterone levels, have a libido, and would continue to produce and accumulate jism in the prostrate. Would that still be evacuated on a regular basis in the same manner that a male that does not masturbate will eventually evacuate via a wet dream ? Sorry, sissy realizes that might be kind of a weird question, but now you've gone and got him all curious with your posts on this topic.

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Castration, as you point out, has been much more common as a stand alone procedure. Heck many hermits of the early Christian Church used to do it - before the Church forbade the practice.

Hmm, interesting, sissy never knew that about the early Christian hermits. Heck, now sissy is wondering if Peter the Hermit - who was probably the most instrumental person in stirring up the Christian masses over the fall of Jerusalem into Moslem hands, thereby ultimately causing the launching of the First Holy Crusade - was castrated. Ya never know. It is said that Adolf Hitler was either missing a testicle, or one was shorter or smaller than the other (don't ask sissy which one, because he can't remember ... and he bets no one else knows, either). So do you know when and why the Catholic Church forbade the practice of castration, onceburned ?

sissy maid lola




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(in reply to onceburned)

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ORIGINAL: sissymaidlola
So do you know when and why the Catholic Church forbade the practice of castration, onceburned ?

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As far as your other question.... I have no idea.

Well, thanks for posting what you did know, onceburned. It's hard finding any information on the internet regarding male penectomies ... OTOH, there is quite a plentiful base of information WRT eunuchs. In fact, only today sissy was reading all about an established group of modern day eunuchs in India known as Hijra. Their numbers have been estimated at over a million. Yet, somehow, the whole concept of an exclusive eunuch population has sissy ROFLMAO. How does a eunuch population sustain itself ? Anyone know the answer to this ? For the life of him, sissy can't see how it can be done without the help of some non-eunuchs ... and then it wouldn't be an exclusive group of eunuchs, would it ? Do you think that sissy might be reading too much into this ? <giggles>

sissy maid lola




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(in reply to onceburned)