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  lets say it was not a scene, that the Master had misinformation and it was ment to be punishment, but He was too angry and it turned into an abusive situation.

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ORIGINAL: BeingChewsie

I haven't seen anybody say that *you* must do anything. I have seen people say what the expectation and/or requirements are in their own dynamic. It is not the same thing.

You should do whatever feels right for you. If it is dialing 911, then that is what it is.

Nobody has said it would be wrong for -you- to do that.

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ORIGINAL: MLskajira

not a problem Tikkiee.
and BeingChewsie, this girl made no secret that this IS "a bunch of made up on line drama" she posted it just to see what kind of responses she would get.
and, although she is learning much, she still doesnt understand the stance of some, that because she submitted to her Master, she MUST allow Him to do damage to her.
IF this situation ever happened to HER, she would definately threaten to call the cops, and if that didnt get Him off of her, then she WOULD call the cops. it doesnt mean that this girl would not respect and love her Master, nor would it mean that she would no longer desire to be His slave, all it means is that she is doing her job as His slave in that she is handeling "damage control" as she was instructed was her responsibility from the very beginning of O/our relationship.
but that is only how THIS GIRL would react to this situation, she is fully aware that not everyone would react in the same way.
she is also aware that some Masters and slaves alike, believe that it would be the ultimate beytrayal.... but this girl asks, isnt it a betrayal for the Master, who's pet loves and obeys Him in all things, to harm His pet on the word of a disgruntaled and rejected suitor without first attempting to find out the truth?

this girl understands your anomosity.
the reason she capitalized those words was because inflection cannot be heard over the internet, not because she was trying to stress her point of view any stronger than she usually does.

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ORIGINAL: Leonidas


daddysprop,

I have read this and other of your posts in this thread, you may have read mine too.  I think you might recognize that I understand what you're talking about, and I hope that you take what I'm about to say in the spirit that I'm offering it.  Unless you are making posts like this as a subtle cry for help so that people will involve the authorities and come rescue you, you need to stop making them.  If you are trying to cry for help, this isn't the place to do it.  Dial 911.

You are indulging in a behavior that is commonly referred to as "scaring the villagers".  It can feel really good, I'm sure, to let everyone know the depth to which your submission to your daddy reaches, but you need to understand that when you describe it in terms like these there are going to be some folks who think you're being brainwashed and abused.  If you scare the villagers sufficiently, they will grab pitchforks and torches and come looking for you.  While I'm sure your daddy is doing nothing wrong, the nature of our legal system is that it could be really costly to him in many ways to prove that if authorities get involved.

Not having the will to leave your daddy and being held against your will is not the same thing.  Holding you in the bonds of submission so deep that you don't believe that you can leave is not the same as restraining you physically or with threats of harm to you or or others you care about if you are expressing your desire to go.  The former is not illegal (though it probably scares the shit out of some of the folks reading along here, and meets one of their criteria for an "abusive relationship").  The latter is.  You have left enough ambiguity in your posts that someone who is looking for a pattern of abuse or illegal activities might not be sure which circumstance applies to your situation.

I know that arguing for the validity of your way of life feels good.  I'm sure it also feels good to express just how deeply you are submitted to your daddy.  You need to always be cognizant though that your words in public always have the possiblity of being misunderstood, and serve your daddy by being vary careful not to give the wrong impression, even if that means not saying some things that you'd like to say, or that might feel very good to say.

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ORIGINAL: simplyangelic1


The reality is unless you are physically tied so you can't move, fight or flight will take over no matter what you may believe.  It is a deep subconscience protective response that only losing the will to live can override.  Only when you absolutely don't care if you live or die can you say that you do not have this response.  So for your statement to be true, you have no will to live...I'm  not buying it but then again I'm not you.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Ahh there's quite a large difference between "Playing in anger" and "playing and not in control of yourself" Your original statement said only "playing in anger." It's completely possible to play in anger and have it be a very healthy, controlled, and positive experience all around.

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Leonidas, yes Sir i have noticed some of your postings around the boards. but don't worry, i am not trying to "scare the villagers"...if anything, the "villagers" frighten me with their inability to accept or acknowledge a reality different from one they personally may know or like.

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ORIGINAL: SirDominic

MLskajira, as you can see from the many varied replies here, there are about as many ways to live this lifestyle a there are people in it. What I hope you come away with from this thread is that you DO have the right to have the relationship you desire, with as few or as many stipulations as you are comfortable with.

As some have pointed out, after you have been in a relationship for awhile, you may indeed find your willingness to expand your horizons into areas you initially thought you never would. Happens all the time. The reason is partly your being more experienced, and partly the building trust between you and your Dom, that he won't ever disregard your limits. Just don't ever let someone else decide what your limits are, or feel you need to suffer through anything you do not want to.

With respect, Sir Dominic

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ORIGINAL: simplyangelic1
Aftercare doesn't always mean going "there there baby, are you ok?  How are you doing?  You are such a good girl etc.  It means monitoring the condition and making sure all is well.  It might include the huggy kissy stuff but doesn't have to.  I know a number of slaves who want to be left alone after a scene but you can bet there Masters aren't off doing whatever.  They are near by watching. 

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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ORIGINAL: simplyangelic1


The reality is unless you are physically tied so you can't move, fight or flight will take over no matter what you may believe.  It is a deep subconscience protective response that only losing the will to live can override.  Only when you absolutely don't care if you live or die can you say that you do not have this response.  So for your statement to be true, you have no will to live...I'm  not buying it but then again I'm not you.

it may seem hard to believe but not everyone has this so-called will to live...some of us lost this before ever even having the chance to really experience life.

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ORIGINAL: ImpGrrl

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ORIGINAL: simplyangelic1
Aftercare doesn't always mean going "there there baby, are you ok?  How are you doing?  You are such a good girl etc.  It means monitoring the condition and making sure all is well.  It might include the huggy kissy stuff but doesn't have to.  I know a number of slaves who want to be left alone after a scene but you can bet there Masters aren't off doing whatever.  They are near by watching. 

Again - not everyone.  And some of us are OK with that.

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ORIGINAL: simplyangelic1
Ya'll are missing my point completely.  I understand there are those that just want to be left alone after a scene.  But does that mean the Dominant isn't peeking around the corner checking?  Of the Dominants I know personally who's subs or slaves want to be left alone, none would just go about their business and not look in every once in awhile.  This is a form of aftercare in my opinion.  Not the kind that most associate with the term aftercare. 

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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

Leonidas, yes Sir i have noticed some of your postings around the boards. but don't worry, i am not trying to "scare the villagers"...if anything, the "villagers" frighten me with their inability to accept or acknowledge a reality different from one they personally may know or like. it gets beyond frustrating being here at times, more often than not seeming like the oddball, when in reality i know that i'm far from alone and many others follow similar ways. however i tend to be far more open about it, so i get the flack.
but Sir please understand that i do not come to collarme or any other online forum and just post willynilly, my Master reads all i post and he does have restrictions in place as to what i can share and what i cannot. there have been some rare occasions where he has come back behind me and edited a post i've made becaues i might have slightly crossed the line, but for the most part anything i write here has been met with his approval. the funny thing about those who come to places like this and shout concern for total strangers who they feel are being abused and need to be rescued (and i was just having this discussion with a friend from CM the other day), is that their battle cries tend to be nothing more than grandstanding for an internet audience, and the reality is that they wouldn't lift a finger to "help" in any way.

but you are mistaken with one thing: it does not make me feel good to describe my depth of submission or devotion to my Master. because the fact is i know well just how far i still have to grow, how often i stumble and how overwhelmed or frustrated i still get at times. He has set a bar marking the point in the journey where one will have become the perfect slave for him, and i am far from that bar. however, some things are simple...like what it means (in this union anyway) to be a slave...and the realities of such an existence. a part of that reality is that only he may give me the right to leave him, through releasing me, selling me, or giving me away. i accepted that as fact from day one, when i was still generally pretty clueless and had NO idea what i had gotten myself into...the wake up call came when we moved in together and i realized that dang, i really CAN'T leave. guess he was serious about all that. but the truth is also that i never would leave my Master even if the doors were wide open and a cab was waiting outside with the motor running. i don't want to face an existence where i'm no longer his, no matter how hard things may be at times.

Meanwhile, i'm still waiting for that autobiography.  i'm first in line for a copy, right? 

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ORIGINAL: simplyangelic1

Ya'll are missing my point completely.  I understand there are those that just want to be left alone after a scene.  But does that mean the Dominant isn't peeking around the corner checking?  Of the Dominants I know personally who's subs or slaves want to be left alone, none would just go about their business and not look in every once in awhile.  This is a form of aftercare in my opinion.  Not the kind that most associate with the term aftercare. 

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ORIGINAL: defiantbadgirl

I'm not trying to impose my wants on anyone. I started a thread awhile back and asked how many subs were soothed after punishment. Most said their doms calmed them and they would be devistated if rejected during this time of need.. I've seen similar responses in other threads about aftercare. I've also seen plenty of  threads about safety where people offered advice and among the most common advice offered was to always have a safeword........at least during the first few meetings. Not everyone can offer blind trust to a stranger. Some of us believe it is safer for trust to develop over time.The forum is about opinions. And not everyone disagrees with mine.........or yours.

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ORIGINAL: erebus

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

Anyone is POTENTIALLY abusive. 

What a blanket statement!  I will speak for myself and many other men and tell you that I have never been, nor will I ever be, abusive.  Just won't happen. 

Perhaps this is your experience, and if it is I'm truly sorry for you, but this is just so wrong I can't let it go by.  Your experiences don't determine reality for others.

In fact, it really insults the entire male gender.  I know abuse occurs, but my father never abused my mother, I've never abused anyone or anything, and it is so much against my (and most men's) nature that it is really a slanderous statement.

Sheesh.

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ORIGINAL: MLskajira

wow
lets say that there is no safe word and this is not the early stages of the relationship and nothing like this has happened before.
lets suppose that He has been stressed out by work and family duties for a while and it just starts comming out.
does the slave have the right, either legally or lifestyle-wise, too inform Him that she will involve outside sources if He does not stop when she truely fears damage?

   I think this and the next 2 posts got a bit lost in the... scuffle. I too am wondering what final control the slave has in a situation such as this one being described.
   Personally I have never needed safewords or anything like that. I don't scene with someone I don't know, that is my safety net. Knowing that I can say "No." if it becomes dangerous is paramount to me, I would not submit otherwise. That is simply me, and the way that I work.
   That is why I am following this thread, it deals with something that isn't a part of my world and I enjoy learning.
   It's just a shame that so much gets lost when people begin to respond to each other & ignoring the main OP.


*stamped 100% natural, 100% IMO
 

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ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

Hey E, good conversation as always...i think i might jump in here for a sec if i may....i think daddysprop is saying that she has been so conditioned (read internal enslavement or brainwashing which ever way you want to look at it) that it would be physically impossible to go to the police station and just as physically impossible to go against her owners wishes.....her body and mind would not allow it.....there are numerous studies on brain washing that conclusively prove that we are capable of being rewired to this extreme and even beyond it....and that it is not really that hard to do, the techniques are pretty simple, they are well documented and used in many governments as well more subtly in society in general.
 
and the funny thing is we are all conditioned to this extream....for example i could never have sex with an UM.....even at gun point (although i cant say for sure on that because i have never been at gun point ) was i born with this conditioning? no....i learned it...and yet it is so deeply entrenched in me as to be at the very core of my internal construct ie: to do so would be devistaing to me i would rather take the bullet.
 
 

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

As a Man I did not find it insulting. The words are true as everyone has the potential to be abusive in one form or another. Notice she used the word potentially. Maybe check the definition of that. It is kind of like when people say improbable and someone reads it as impossible.

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ORIGINAL: adaddysgirl

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ORIGINAL: OrionTheWolf

As a Man I did not find it insulting. The words are true as everyone has the potential to be abusive in one form or another. Notice she used the word potentially. Maybe check the definition of that. It is kind of like when people say improbable and someone reads it as impossible.

Well, i certainly know the definition of 'potential'   (yes indeedy....have it sitting here staring me right in the face as i type)....and i agree with erebus.  i for one am simply not capable of being abusive....it is neither probable nor possible.  As a matter of fact, quite the opposite is true. 
 
Now...if my life was at threat (or a loved one's)....i believe i have the potential to kill another in that situation.  But abuse?  No....not for me.  So i see that entire statement as bogus.  Just my personal opinion of course.
 
DG