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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 9:48:05 AM

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Ok just out of curiosity, and since I'm new on the forums.. who is IB???

I met benji last night, he is a sweetie.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 9:52:13 AM

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I think what concerns me most is a person's need to bring such fantasy into reality to obtain some kind of identity.

This is the danger on both sides, BDSM and Gor. The loss of reality can be very great.

To some, it's a guarantee of love and acceptance if they can say the right words, do the right position. When the game ends, all they have left are their memories of how much they altered themselves to please/command another to haunt them.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 10:21:44 AM

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I think what concerns me most is a person's need to bring such fantasy into reality to obtain some kind of identity.

This is the danger on both sides, BDSM and Gor. The loss of reality can be very great.

To some, it's a guarantee of love and acceptance if they can say the right words, do the right position. When the game ends, all they have left are their memories of how much they altered themselves to please/command another to haunt them.

Loneliness is a cruel Master.

But that can be said of anything on which fiction has been written, including wealth, fame, and eating dinner.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 10:27:14 AM

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Well, being a submissive man, I don't really care for the Gor line of books. I do wonder why there isn't a series of books or even a book that is based on gynarchy and matriarchy.

There are, both erotica and regular fantasy and science fiction. They are fewer in number but they do exist. I'm sure some folks will step in and list a few if you start a thread asking for titles.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 10:39:53 AM

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When I wrote my thread I did not have any bios on John Frederick Lange Jr.. I have come across it and in does indicte that say CUNY. I have and I will continue to look, Professor Lange did write Imaginate Sex in 1974 it is non fiction and I understand it something like a sex manuel for couples.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 10:44:15 AM

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I have a special area of pissed-offedness in my head just for Gor. When I first became aware of the lifestyle, it was because the whole thing bothered me on such a fundamental level, and I wanted to figure out why. I HATED the concept that women (and yes I thought it was only women at that time) were "naturally" submissive and if taken in hand by a man would come to revel in her slavery. So I started to research. Unfortunately, one of the first "research materials" that was suggested to me was the Gor books. Bad advice, but hell, I didn't know any better.

So, I read the book, (I started with The Dancer of Gor) and found all my concepts about the lifestyle confirmed. It told me there was a natural order to things and women had just damn well better get used to it. Also, the writing style made me laugh. I really think I could have handled it though, if not for the part at the end where the fourth wall was not only broken but smashed to itty bitty peices, where the main character says she wants all the women of Earth to realize they are slaves at heart too. Phooey.

Luckily, I later found other, better research materials and talked with people who are in the lifestyle, and realize that no, indeed, that was NOT the way all bdsm was, and actually a lot of Goreans don't even consider themselves part of bdsm.

Was any of this Gor or John Norman's fault, and does it negate the entire concept of Gor? Nope, not at all. It was a combination of my inexperience and some bad advice. If Gor is what someone does, and makes them happy, more power to them. For me, however, it is a very negative and touchy thing because of my earliest experiences with it.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 10:46:29 AM

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Yes there is a position called "she-sleen" and it is as described..but wasn't that what the girl had to do in this current movie "The Pet" had to do? I admit I have not seen it, but I am sure it is not a Gor movie.

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I'm glad I'm not the only one who caught that.

In addition, isn't there a "she-sleen" position that is one of the gorean slave positions - a sleen being a beast of some sort ... putting the slave in such a position ensuring that she must remain, as a beast, on four 'feet' rather than being allowed to use her hands for anything ...

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 10:53:50 AM

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Tal SweetDommes

Yes there is a position called "she-sleen" and it is as described..but wasn't that what the girl had to do in this current movie "The Pet" had to do? I admit I have not seen it, but I am sure it is not a Gor movie.

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Nosathro

Yes, but it was an example (out of several) of how women are refered to as "beasts," something you suggested had never happened (Post #124)

In other words, Lashra's point stands, end of discussion.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 10:54:01 AM

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I will tell you what, I will go back and check. Now as the Kurii..I think that was the pural of Kur...which were the enemies of the Priest Kings...they were large furry bipeds, slave girls were on their menu.

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Tal Lashra

FYI. If you read the books, no female slave was referred to as a "Beast". The only word I do recall use to discribe a female slave is "Wench" a Middle English word..meaning "woman". However, a male slave, owned by a Free Woman was named "Bosk" the Gorean word for "Cow" by the Free Woman.

I may be wrong here as it's been several years since I read it, but I believe in Beasts of Gor that slave girls were considered one of the 'beasts' of Gor. I distinctly recall the Kurii being another one of the Beasts of Gor. I'll have to get my copy out tonight and double check, but I'm about 75% certain that I'm correct on this.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 11:03:17 AM

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greetings gooddogbenji

I also recall in a BDSM movie of recent "The Secretary" the woman was required to asume the positon of a table, which is also a position in Gor. Again I don't think this was a Gor movie either. I have to say I am getting a feeling that if it is used in Gor it is a bad thing, but used outside of Gor a good thing?

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Tal SweetDommes

Yes there is a position called "she-sleen" and it is as described..but wasn't that what the girl had to do in this current movie "The Pet" had to do? I admit I have not seen it, but I am sure it is not a Gor movie.

I wish you well

Nosathro

Yes, but it was an example (out of several) of how women are refered to as "beasts," something you suggested had never happened (Post #124)

In other words, Lashra's point stands, end of discussion.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 11:03:44 AM

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Tal SweetDommes

Yes there is a position called "she-sleen" and it is as described..but wasn't that what the girl had to do in this current movie "The Pet" had to do? I admit I have not seen it, but I am sure it is not a Gor movie.

I wish you well

Nosathro

As benji already pointed out, it was an example. I haven't seen the movie in question, and don't care to - but again, it was an example of slave women in gorean books being referred to (directly or indirectly) as beasts, which you stated they don't.

I do appreciate that you are gorean, but as I am not, and I have stated how I feel about it - please do not use the gorean greetings when speaking directly to me. Leave the greeting off entirely if you must, but do not greet me as a gorean, please.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 11:06:45 AM

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The issue people take is that in Gor, it is assumed that (almost) all women should assume theirn natural position of slaves, and as such, be put into such situations. Gor, as a lifestyle, is based on the books.

BDSM, as a lifestyle, is not based on movies, nor on any fixed fiction which dictates how a relationship should be had.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 11:07:31 AM

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Along time ago when I was learning who I was here in this "lifestyle" (we soooooo need a better term) Anyway, I saw the Gorean chat rooms and was scared to go into them. Why? I seriously thought it would be gory (like blood sports, teeth clamps, cutting off toes.........you know like Hostel). I was so relieved to find it wasn't. So I did some reading up on the whole thing. http://www.geocities.com/goroutlaw/gorbooks.htm (Now I do not profess to know anything about Gor....I have never read any of the books except what I found here at the site I provided. They may be completely diffrent from the actual books.........don't flame me if they are)

I have things about the books I do not like. Slaves can be feed to Sleen if their Masters will it so. Slaves may also be hit so hard in the head as to cause nausa and dizzyness and blood for simply speaking. Of course, they are only books. It is from a mans imagination that these things come from. I think he was a woman hater (sorry again only my two cents) but that's okay......I don't have to follow his thinking if I don't want to. It's a free country, we can write just about what ever we want and so can John Norman.

As far as the practicing of Gor.....I would not want that in my life. BUT to each their own I suppose. Actually, I guess it's really no skin off my nose if people like this sort of thinking. It's not hurting me and really not hurting themselves. So why should I care?

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 11:25:55 AM

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If someone had asked me this question when i first entered the lifestyle a few years back and my first encounter was with a so called Gorean who was obviously using the lifestyle as a means to get any and every submissive woman he could, i would have told you that i hated Gor with a serious passion. But, now that i have learned more about it and know some that live it, i would just have to say that while it's not for me and i really have no desire to learn about it, to each their own and if people are happy with their choice to live by the Gorean philosophy, then good for them, just please don't try and convert me, lol.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 11:39:12 AM

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I do appreciate that you are gorean, but as I am not, and I have stated how I feel about it - please do not use the gorean greetings when speaking directly to me. Leave the greeting off entirely if you must, but do not greet me as a gorean, please.

Thanks. I was thinking about saying something, but wasn't sure if I was just being overly sensitive.

Much like a Catholic saying "God bless you," when they know my opinion of God, or a Frenchman greeting everyone with Bonjour, it's not a greeting in this land.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 11:51:36 AM

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Honestly, I'd be less offended by being greated by "bonjour" than by a gorean greeting - if for no other reason, than because it's a real language on this planet. However, in a forum like this, if I had just stated that I dislike French, or Spanish, or X, Y, Z - and then someone addressed someone directly, using a greeting from France, Spain/Mexico or X, Y, Z, then I would have issue with that.

Greeting the group as a whole is one thing, but when addressing comments directly at someone, please take their personal preferences into account.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 11:53:58 AM

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First of all, let me congratulate everyone on a (relatively) civil thread in the section where a thread about Goreans is probably most likely to degenerate into a flame-fest.

All I will point out here is that Goreans are a self-selected group. For reasons of our own, that you don't have to understand or agree with, we identify with the architypes of masculinity and femininity that are presented in the Gor books. If you find that you don't "get it", your probably aren't supposed to, just based on your physiological and psychological makeup. Regulars in the "Ask a Mistress" section most likely fall into this category, unless they really do, covertly, identify with "Gorean" architypes and they are just repressing and/or denying that they do. So, answers to the OP in this section along the lines of "I don't understand it", "I don't like it", "I think it's wrong/evil/bad/stupid" are perfectly understandable.

I think in the years I've been posting on these boards, this is the first time I've posted in this section. I recognize and accept that my opinions would be, for the most part, unwelcome here, and give the folks who are regulars here the space to do what they do in peace.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 11:56:40 AM

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The level of torment reached a level of honor in itself. How many people can you "pwned" through computer tricks became a badge of honor in itself (and mainly used by submissives/slaves that spent alot of time on the computer). If you know more about the computer and can network better; it's an easy thing to improve your position to one you desire. This became the new "honor" and reason for respect, not Who or What but how many people you could lame and still remain anonymous. There is a word for someone that peeks into someone's window on a regular basis, and it isn't an honorable one.

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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 11:58:49 AM

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Well, I've been in and out of roleplaying Gor for years now...long before it became the new craze.
I understand the difference between the books and how Goreans relate day to day. I've recruited slaves into the games...and been sucessful.
Free Men like to assume that all Women would make good slaves with the Right Man....it's like telling the Gay World...with the Right Lover..I could make you straight...not happening...
I am a Free Woman...I do not need permission to be....I simply Am. I've had M/man who have tried to change My mind...but have given up the field.
Transfering gor to reality....
Fear works as a wonderful tool. As is service. There is a way to mesh the fiction with the reality. The boys I train....know it or not...learn gorean ritual. The slave positions they learn to hold...can preform on demand.....gorean positions. The positions they holdc in My life....based on gorean castes...in a way.
I tend to ignore those things I don't like...the homophobia FM who can't accept a submissive boy....the Manly-Men who think I'd be better off in chains...*grinning* Gor...above all things...is about respect...and accepting Y/your place in the scheme of things. I've met FM with bad attitudes....*grinning* hell, I've even trained a few into good kajirus....after awhile....
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RE: How do you feel about Gor? - 1/3/2007 12:06:12 PM

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Has anyone read the Sleeping Beauty Triology?

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