luckydog1
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Ok lets go through this
Lots of people came forward and continue to come forwrd. Name one
i have a huge list of issues regarding 911, like hugemongous.
Just for kicks from the top as many as i can remember so this will not be complete.
First, rumor has it that the grounds were commemorated by the masons on, ready for this? 9-11-1941. But that is a lie the towers were not even started untill 1961
There were 2 main towers, creating 2 main uprights. (one of many masonic symbols of worship) It also makes a nice symetry and pretty design, what other design for a tower is there besides an "upright"
They were owned by the government, managed by the new york port authority. no the majority owner was a partnership between silverstien and westfield america
They were very expensive to maintain and they were losing money every year due to less occupancy. Every year another empty floor. ok ill buy that one
Because of their age they were insulated with asbestos which is now illegal and required to be cleaned up and reinsulated at a cost of several millions of dollars. which woudl be 100% written off in taxes at no cost to the owners
Larry silverstien bought a 99 year lease for a few million bucks and immediately took out a 3.5 billion dollar insurance policy, for the first time in history of the buildings a "terrorisn clause" insurance policy against the property. well owning a high profile target in an era of increasing terrorism, that makes sense
Julianni spent 15 million bucks to build a super reinforced control center in bld 7 that had a separate water and air supply bullet proof glass and other reinforcements. so? a city like New York needs a center like that. If its part of the conspiricy, why put it in a building they plan to destroy?
Several weeks prior to the collapse they had many fire drills where they would evacuate whole floors of the building and clear all the people out for extended periods. they have fire drills all the time
People noticed daily dust on window sills as if someone was working with plasterboard in the building. (that never happened before) No one ever saw dust in the WTC? got a name?
Two weeks prior to the collapse, the security company in charge of the wtc center did a complete shutdown for nearly a week for the reason of re-wiring the internet and other cables. a complete shutdown? no guards walked the halls? no one inthe garage? no one at the front desk? Building do have to be rewired periodically.
All the security cameras were shut down as well during this time period. if they were being rewired that would make sense
The security company in charge of the grounds and buildings was a joint venture between the us and kuwaiti's as a partner in ownership. Ok, and that means what?
Marvin Bush, Yep gW's brother, was ceo of securacom. He resigned on 911. after a failure like that I might quit also
The FEMA disaster team was dispatched to NYC late the previous nite 9-10. Yeah they do preriodic drills all over the place ona regualr basis
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ok now a little on the airplanes:
The airplanes were strictly for show and confusion.
If you want nice looking pyro show you mist the gas then ignite it. great pyro burst of flames and you see it in the movies all the time. The best way to mist the gas and impress an audience of extreme terror is to make it look terrible with jaw dropping explosions.
An airplane flying into a cement and steel building at 500 knots will give the same results as bret farve throwning a gas filled balloon through a plate glass storm window while igniting it at the same time. that's ridiculous there would be a huge kinetik force involved that you would not get with a ballon
What happens? The balloon smashes against the wall while simultaneously creating a gas spray mist cloud flying in all directions that in the case of the plane is ignited from all the sparks of hitting the steel and cement creating a wonderous pyro show and literally burning up instantly. But it shows in the videos that some of the derbis went all the way through the building and out the other side
Sort of like if your grill explodes in your face, you dont have facial burns just your hair singed off. So that gas burned virtually instantly and was not a sustained fire and a sustained fire of intense heat is required to heat steel to a point of significant structural loss. a tiny bit of fuel ignighting is not the same as your grill exploding. take a 15lb tank of propane and open it in your home and ignite it, I bet more than a singing occurs. They say the fuel burned for about 10 minutes acting as an accelerant, starting lots of fires all over the building. again, we can pour a little gas on the ground and light it and take the temperature. then we can slosh 1 gallon of gas in your home and ignite it. the resulting fire will be much hotter.
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The collapse in both buildings accelerated to the speed that gravity would bring down a free falling object as they went down with no resistance from the floors below. I alrady went through judy Woods work for you. It has zero peer approval, and she has never submitted it for such. the reason is she uses Math for Horizontal collisions, not vertical ones. Her Geo cities web page,linked to 911 schiolars for truth, is full of holes. And she pretends it started pancaking from the top floor down, it didnt.
That was 3 separate buildings one on top of the other. The lobbies were extra reinforced on the 2 separations and would have held it. If you say so
The lower lobbies were all blown to crap. Yes as the buildign came down it blew the lower levels to crap
The designers said that the buildings were designed to withstand an airplane crash that carried even more fuel than these had. Of course the designer said itshouldn't have fallen, what else would they say? they did not testify to what you are saying however
The designers said it was designed strong enough to withstand several plane crashes. see above CYA
The center of the building had 47 core columns that were 4"thick steel and 30" x 16" columns. (the center would have remained standing in the event of a floor pancaking) and you base that on what?
The outside of the building was equivalent to a honey comb design, or that of your screen door. The screen does not collapse of you throw a golf ball through it. a screen door is in no way a comparison to a concrete structure
There were several people that could be seen casually standing in the gaping hole where the planes went through with spotless clothing and unscathed. (If there isnt enough fire to burn them how could it hurt steel? the fires were not everywhere in the building. I think its sad you take blurry pictures of people right before they jump to their deaths and lie about it. Why were people jumping out of the buildings if there wasnt a fire?
The firemens conversations on tapes that were held back by the government were released in 2005 where a fireman reached the damaged floors and can be heard to state that they only needed 2 hoses brought up to put out two "small isolated fires". Yes where that fireman was there wasn't much fire, but its a huge building
Juliani stated the buildings were going to come down before they actually did. Never heard that claim before got a source?
The communications between the fire department control center and the firemen mysteriously malfuctioned just before the collapse. No it was crappy the entire time
Several government officials were warned not to fly on that day. and there were NSA reports that there might be an attack in africa on the day we sentanced the Bombers from the first WTC bombing. So they were on alert
Firemen and rescue workers and news reporters heard explosions in sequence going around the building and also from going from top to bottom, exactly the sequence for a controlled demolition. Then one huge explosion, (as they blew all the main core support beams all the way up) then the building fell into the basement. Got any names? adn from the ground they could tell what order the explosions were happening 110 stories up? amazing ears those guys have. And yes the building was full of power junctions ect that can explode.
Firemen and rescue workers only found powder. They could not find any desks, chairs, office equipment Zippo! nothing larger than 1/2 of a telephone pad they said. (this is impossible in a collapse) Well there was also a fire, but let's remeber that you make this claim. I will be throwing in it your face shortly
200 HUMAN bone fragments are the latest count that have been found on buildings over 100 yards away. a collapse could not disintegrate people and toss them over 100 yards away with their bones no larger than 2 centimeters long. let me hit your hand with a cinder block, and see if I can make some bone fragments, I bet I can. and with the amoount of air pressure in a collpase like that stuff could easily be pushed 100 yrds.
Mounds and mounds of papers were strewn all over the city. a collpase would not have done this. Of course it would, air pressure
The whole building was powdered. many of the beams were found to be the exact length to load on a truck without the need of additional cutting. were the beams smaller than 1/2 a telephone pad? (see you previous claim) or were they powdered? or were they truck sized? Please keep your story straight.
Being in the airforce in my youth, we were required to get bombers and tankers in the air in a maximum of 12 minutes, and fighters in maximum of 7 minutes. No planes took off from andrews and others were sent on a training mission down to south carolina, 20 minutes away prior tothe attacks. Andrews is a Nat guard Base, they do airborne refueling, not airspace defense. they do not have an attack squadron there
Norad had training missions that were to test their readiness in the event an airplane were to hit the world trade center. (well known false flag tactic) what would norad have to do with the aftermath of a plane hitting a tower?
Truck loads of unexploded explosives were found on the site in the basements. but the trucks were smaller than 1/2 a telephone pad? or were they dust? I can't keep it all straight
The metal was molten in the basement and actually "flowing" 3 weeks later as it would in smelting. That is liquified steel. Even after gallons upon gallons of water had been sprayed on it. Nothing can do that except thermate or thermite. Jet fuel cant even approach that temperature. thermite doesnt burn for weeks, nor does jet fuel. the derbis plastic oils ect plus the natural gas being fed into the bottom of the fire kept it going for weeks. Nothing can melt steel but thermite? since when?
Larry silverstein admits to pulling building 7. which means blowing it up. He doesnt, and it doesnt. I explained this in another post already to you. He said pullem, refering to the rescue crews in the failing building
MIT researched it and said no way the fire could have brought down the building. this is an absolute lie on your part.
UL labs said no way the fire could have brought down the building. again a direct lie
There is only 1 company possibly 2 and the military who is capable of dropping those buildings so precisely.
The scrap, that is the steel of the crime scene was illegally removed from the crime scene. I thought you said it was all powdered. illegal according to which law?
The black boxes were found then they were not found then they were so badly damaged that no data was not retrievable. (impossible) Boxes can't be ruined? since when? and why werent they powdered?
Gw and the Bush family is a member of skull and bones which is part of the masonic temple. ok, so what?
OBL was never charged with the 911 disaster. and we talked about this already also. the gov explicitly said he was going to treated as a enemy combatant if caught, not as a civil criminal
The government conveniently found perfectly intact id's moments after the crash. a lie, they found them much later, of course t hey were just powder according to you right?
Atta was paid 100,000.00 bucks just prior to 911. by Whom? got a reciept
Attas father said he got a call from mohammed the on 9-12. Amazing thing about time zones, there is a thing called the international date line
They cant catch bin laden but hussein all but says here i am. So?
They pay off everyone of the families immediately with huge sums. No, most fammilies not all, but why would you want to draw it out and make them suffer? what purpose would that serve?
Put sales increased by 11 times normal the day before 911 I dont have any info on that
It is known that there was over 1 million in gold there from a couple sources and there were several more sources. Some speculate there was more than 5 million total in gold stored under wtc. Of course they were really proud to have recovered 200,000.00 bucks worth! well if it was all turned into powder, I would say it is incredible to get any of it back
building #7 was dropped supposedly due to uncontrollable fires. there were only a couple small fires. Of course that destroyed the ongoing investigations into enron, nci world come, insider trading, and put fraud and the california power debauckle, as well as irs looking into corporate frauds. all the info for those investigation the only copies were inside the WTC that day? I don't thinkso. If you cared to actually look into it, there are pictures of WTC7 that show huge amounts of damage. it was hit by debrie falling off the larger building as it came down, which also shows you claim hat it was a perfectr demoltion isn't true either. The final holes of the towers are much larger than the base of the towers when they were standing, thats why it looks like most of it fell into them.
so here is a very short compilation of issues i have with 911. Most are proven either through physics(zero are) or testimonies by several people(names) or record and a few are just noting interesting coincidences.
Anyway i could double this list quite easily, and to go through this would require someone to explain away each item one by one, regarding the physics and of course the high and i mean extremely high probability of so many coincidences(well since most of them are lies or distortions there really arent thatmany) happening on the same day as well as 3 steel buildings falling diectly and perfectly( they didnt fall perfectly, there was a lot of damage in lower manhattan that day, #7 is a perfect example of that) into their basement all on the same day.
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