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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/5/2007 8:54:21 PM

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Which is why when I was thinking about joining the military my top choice was the Air Force which accepted me... theirs was the "wimpiest" bootcamp around, not to mention that the goal was to reshape recruits for that service, not to break them completely down. I was pregnant the same weekend I took the oath by my husband who was also in the Air Force.

I spoke to a crappy Air Force recruiter!. I went in, talked to him, was already to take the ASVAB, and he told me that I had to enlist before I took it. Which is not what I understood to be correct. I then proceed to seek out another recruiter who tried to do the same. I gave up and found a wonderful career in retail at the time.

~poe

Well that was bad info, I took the ASVAB test before I was recruited. The details of my recruitment hinged on my ASVAB score. I did not know they did it differently than that, but I was 21 when I took it.

I had a wonderful stint as a waitress before I went back to school and now I am an Anthropologist waiting to finish my graduate school education, so I will take that over the Air Force any day. I have often wondered if I would not have been kicked to the curb from the military... I am not exactly a conformist and never have been

. Private Benjamin would have had nothing on me...lol.

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/5/2007 8:54:33 PM

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Check your email.

The location of those is in an email? Cool.

So you download MsMilitaryComplex for Internet Explorer?

Sinergy

p.s. Hate to say it, but it sounds like you dont know how to stand up and admit that you screwed the pooch with your post.

Dont worry, Monkeyboy taught us that if you smirk and deny long enough, people will become disinterested in your machinations.

Sinergy:
This is a jarehead thing...I would respectfully request that you shut the fuck up and butt out. Thanking you in advance for your consideration.
thompson

Thank you for that erudite and concise rebuttal to my post, thompsonx.

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It is heart warming to know that intellectual curiosity and the ability to accept opinions you dont happen to share are inculcated into the people we indoctrinate into service in our military.
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Sinergy

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/5/2007 9:00:04 PM

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I've heard that the reasoning seems to be that if a recruit cannot be relied upon to obey orders and follow instructions in routine matters (folding clothes, standing at attention, paying proper attention to hygiene) it is unlikely that he or she will be reliable in a combat situation, where there may be a strong urge to disobey orders or flee when your unit needs them the most and puts everyone in jepoardy

Maybe if I had joined I wouldn't be the slob I am today

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/5/2007 9:03:11 PM

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Maybe if I had joined I wouldn't be the slob I am today

~poe

My dear... I prefer to say that I am functionally disorganized!

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/5/2007 9:05:28 PM

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I did not know they did it differently than that, but I was 21 when I took it.

That's not the way they're suppose to do it. I just found some eager-beaver recruiters in a one horse town. Sometimes I wish I had gone on with it, I wanted to do something for my country. Though when I spoke to my doctor about it she said I would never had made it. I had R/A when I was a child, and that since I had the factor they would not have let me in.

Good luck on your degree. Anthropolgy is fascinating.

~poe

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/5/2007 9:07:35 PM

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Maybe if I had joined I wouldn't be the slob I am today

~poe

My dear... I prefer to say that I am functionally disorganized!

Hey yeah!

I do know where things are in this mess of mine. I will tell that to my boss the next time he complains about the mess on my desk.

~poe

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/5/2007 9:14:12 PM

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Maybe if I had joined I wouldn't be the slob I am today

~poe

My dear... I prefer to say that I am functionally disorganized!

Hey yeah!

I do know where things are in this mess of mine. I will tell that to my boss the next time he complains about the mess on my desk.

~poe

This is a 'single standard' household, Poe. So I assume you'll not be mentioning the mess on my desk again?

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/5/2007 9:25:59 PM

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I shall not be a hypocrite!

~poe

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/6/2007 3:15:38 AM

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    Hehehehe... Yeah, it was an early morning, followed by a day long enough to put me in traffic hell coming home.

   Poe is correct. The various boots are designed to the needs of the service. Contrary to what Thom offered (with such civility), every vet I've known will tell you much of the first few weeks is a blur of 'hurry up-wait,' men in funny hats (best NOT to laugh) yelling, and intentionally brutal culture shock.

   Some things remain vivid, I recall the haircut very well, and a washout's sobbing meltdown that we all knew was coming.

   The AF needs people who can perform technically precise work under stressful conditions. If you are incompetent to fold a pair of tighty-whities into a perfect 6 inch square, with an R. Lee Ermey wanna-be breathing down your neck, you won't be much good to repair a radar system before the next wave of bombers comes in. It doesn't really matter if you can march 30 miles in full pack and sleep on rocks.

WyrdRich;
Lee Ermey is just as abrasive in real life as he is on tv.
When I have confronted Lee about his less than perfect knowledge about the marine corps he rants and raves and stomps off. He is a typical lifer as opposed to carear marine. Gregg Boyington and chesty Puller, were carear marines.
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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/6/2007 6:43:52 AM

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So technically, a sitting President who uses information he knows is incorrect would be guilty of lying?

According to 18 USC 371, if someone has reason to even *suspect* the information is inaccurate, but doesn't fully disclose his suspicions, and misrepresents the trustworthiness of that information, they are guilt of a crime.

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/6/2007 7:55:48 PM

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Evening,

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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Check your email.

The location of those is in an email? Cool.

So you download MsMilitaryComplex for Internet Explorer?

Sinergy

p.s. Hate to say it, but it sounds like you dont know how to stand up and admit that you screwed the pooch with your post.

Dont worry, Monkeyboy taught us that if you smirk and deny long enough, people will become disinterested in your machinations.

No need to smile and deny anything. The only mistake I made was in my wording, as I never went through Corps bootcamp. I enlisted in Uncle Sam's Canoe club, and at reup I transfered branches. Discussing specifics about my duty stations or billeting, is reserved for private discussions. Hence an email.

I find it much easier and wiser to discuss personal issues with somebody in private (well as private as email can be via this medium). If you have an issue with anything I have said personally, feel free to email me. If not then let's stick to the topic, and debate its merits.

I wish you well,
Thadius

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/7/2007 8:03:25 AM

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So, why are we talking about this traitor chick again?

pantera:
Traitor chick??? I am curious how she can be a traitor. She was exercising her first ammendment right. We had not declared war on Viet Nam. We were illegally in their country killing their people. Is the first ammendment only for those who agree with you.
thompson

Hey- I'm just exercising my first amendment right to say what I think about her - or is the 1st amendment only for those who agree with you? (and don't like capitalism, blame america while they're at it)

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/7/2007 8:22:30 AM

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So, why are we talking about this traitor chick again?

pantera:
Traitor chick??? I am curious how she can be a traitor. She was exercising her first ammendment right. We had not declared war on Viet Nam. We were illegally in their country killing their people. Is the first ammendment only for those who agree with you.
thompson

Hey- I'm just exercising my first amendment right to say what I think about her - or is the 1st amendment only for those who agree with you? (and don't like capitalism, blame america while they're at it)

Here's why shes a traitor..

http://www.26thmarines.org/janefonda.html

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/7/2007 8:36:20 AM

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YEP thats the traitor bitch there is another one of her standing by smiling while the gooks were shooting at our \planes..I"LL find it and post it..THE bitch shouldn't be allow back in the country...BH

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/7/2007 8:39:06 AM

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Again, the lawfullness of Fonda's actions is dependent on whether the USs actions were Lawful.

That hinges on if Diem's government was Lawful, specifically after refusing to obey the UN.

So, was Diem's Government Lawful? If so, why wasn't Hussein, since BOTH governments refused to obey UN mandates.

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/7/2007 8:39:52 AM

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Uhhhmmmmmmmm, just a question buuuuuuuuuttttttt, didn't that happen just a little more that a few years ago??

Nothing like dwelling in the past.

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/7/2007 9:02:07 AM

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Again, the lawfullness of Fonda's actions is dependent on whether the USs actions were Lawful.

That hinges on if Diem's government was Lawful, specifically after refusing to obey the UN.

So, was Diem's Government Lawful? If so, why wasn't Hussein, since BOTH governments refused to obey UN mandates.

Actually there is no requirement that the US be commited to war or any other action for a treason charge.
It's your actions that determine whether or not you have commited treason.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleiii.html

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/7/2007 9:03:46 AM

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ORIGINAL: pantera

So, why are we talking about this traitor chick again?

pantera:
Traitor chick??? I am curious how she can be a traitor. She was exercising her first ammendment right. We had not declared war on Viet Nam. We were illegally in their country killing their people. Is the first ammendment only for those who agree with you.
thompson

Hey- I'm just exercising my first amendment right to say what I think about her - or is the 1st amendment only for those who agree with you? (and don't like capitalism, blame america while they're at it)

Here's why shes a traitor..

http://www.26thmarines.org/janefonda.html

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But boy oh boy, wasn't she a hot chick back then!

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/7/2007 9:08:04 AM

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Again, the lawfullness of Fonda's actions is dependent on whether the USs actions were Lawful.

That hinges on if Diem's government was Lawful, specifically after refusing to obey the UN.

So, was Diem's Government Lawful? If so, why wasn't Hussein, since BOTH governments refused to obey UN mandates.

Actually there is no requirement that the US be commited to war or any other action for a treason charge.
It's your actions that determine whether or not you have commited treason.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleiii.html

So, the people who supported Diem's Unlawful Government in the United States are the ones committing treason?

Remember, it all comes down to "WHY IS THE US SUPPORTING A CRIMINAL IN VIETNAM, BUT OVERTHROWING ONE IN IRAQ?" when BOTH Diem and Hussein were guilty of refusing to comply with UN Mandates.

IF the US was wrong to support Diem and South Vietnam, isn't ANY resistance justified?

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RE: Jihad Jane??? - 2/7/2007 9:27:11 AM

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Again, the lawfullness of Fonda's actions is dependent on whether the USs actions were Lawful.

That hinges on if Diem's government was Lawful, specifically after refusing to obey the UN.

So, was Diem's Government Lawful? If so, why wasn't Hussein, since BOTH governments refused to obey UN mandates.

Actually there is no requirement that the US be commited to war or any other action for a treason charge.
It's your actions that determine whether or not you have commited treason.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleiii.html

So, the people who supported Diem's Unlawful Government in the United States are the ones committing treason?

Remember, it all comes down to "WHY IS THE US SUPPORTING A CRIMINAL IN VIETNAM, BUT OVERTHROWING ONE IN IRAQ?" when BOTH Diem and Hussein were guilty of refusing to comply with UN Mandates.

IF the US was wrong to support Diem and South Vietnam, isn't ANY resistance justified?

I think your failing to grasp the concept of treason. Its an act commited against your own country. Acts commited against foriegn powers are policy decisions.

"IF the US was wrong to support Diem and South Vietnam, isn't ANY resistance justified?"

No giving aid and comfort to the enemy is never justified. You want to protest,fine, or work to change the goverment here to reflect your opinion, great. But to go to a foriegn country, put on parts of their uniform, take pictures of yourself in their guns ... nope your a traitor...

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