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RE: venting - 2/3/2007 5:47:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		LittleDebilgirl........as soon as the dog even begins to get aggressive or grumpy you are going to have to get right in her face and back her down. I would even suggest physically pinning her, similar to a wrestling move. Put your hands on her throat. Obviously don't choke her but you have to establish dominance.

We adopted a golden that was a very large dog. He did not know how to behave with other dogs or people in play mode. I knew that someone, or one of the other dogs, was going to end up getting hurt if he did not learn his place in the house. It didn't take long at all and he was fully trustworthy. Just remember, they really do want to please you and just like a submissive or slave they want to know their boundaries within your family (pack). You will only be doing her a favour.


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RE: venting - 2/3/2007 7:10:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh i have dominance with the dog.  All i have to do is hollar at her.. or step towards menacingly and she's off hiding.  LOL it comes from when she was not so much younger and peeing in the play room and i'd hollar and chase her around calling her a bad dog with a rolled up newspaper.  (she scares easy.. eh) 

If i want to scare the tar out of her, all i need to do is roll up a newspaper and smack a counter and off she slinks....  With outsiders she's MUCH better behaved.  I just look at her and say "dont you dare"  or if she wants to be friendly "you dont know them, they dont know you, leave em alone"  She's gotten alot better.

she does play with the little one.. heck they were doing olympic races too.......  i think she just gets testy when she's tired.  and the wee one is ALWAYS full of energy....  but not the point.. no matter what she should know not to get aggressive.  I think the pecking order with the wee on is up for grabs. 

that must be it.  Teach the little one to be dominant (or above in the pecking order) with the dog

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RE: venting - 2/3/2007 10:38:15 PM   
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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 3:25:59 AM   
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I thought perhaps things would get better on this thread only to see, not only has it not, but that some think it is just funny to treat animals in such a way. Throwing in a pool, kicking down stairs, throwing up against a wall, kicking in the face. I'd leave out the word aggressive right about now . Dogs pee, cats scratch. Try and have a bit of patience or at least think before you react. If you cant deal with them give them away.   I've had dogs and cats my entire life  (49 yrs that's a long time) Did the dog chew up the arm of the couch leave stuffing all over the house? yep. Chew a whole hunk  of wood off  the leg  of one  of my dinging room chairs? yep. Did the dog ever pee on the floors, yep in fact my 16 yr old one now is peeing and poopin on the floor. Do I kick her? no. I realize she is old and cant help it so I wipe it up. Cat ever scratch hell yes. Give her a bath she claws the crap out of me.Our cat will kiss and lick our chin or fingers some times our ear then chomp down on it hard enough at times to cause blood, means she is hungry her way of telling us- so I go feed her Makes me wonder if your having a real shit day- totally stressed out- kid is acting up worst than ever -  throwing things-try to get them too behave but instead they are screaming biting or trying to scratch you what do you do then?  How do you react? What is your first impulse? How do you handle aggressive behavior?Seriously I just don't understand some of  the reactions I am reading here.

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 5:48:02 AM   
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Status: offline 		You know from what I've read on pinworms they are not transferrable to animals.

The kid brought them home from somewhere, so the cat shouldn't even have to take worm pills.  He/she can't get them nor give them.

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 7:56:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		Sub4hire - they werent taking pinworm pills........... they were taking tape worm pills........ because two of my females had tapeworms.

Aye, i've had an influx of bugs this month........ 

hmm - swtn, i threw the dog because i had to get him off my bed so i could wash the sheets and i wasnt about to have him latch onto me with his teeth.  I was also 16.  But i also bet you've never had a dog bite you and refuse to remove his teeth from you?  Have you had a cat that you were holding dig all her nails into your back?  Trust me........ they can fend for themselves.  But i figured if you wanted to call me "wrong" those two things would be better suited.


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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 9:26:53 AM   
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Our cat will kiss and lick our chin or fingers some times our ear then chomp down on it hard enough at times to cause blood, means she is hungry her way of telling us- so I go feed her


Ok, but what is your first reaction when the cat chomps down?
Do you scream and remove her as fast as you can or do you just say "Mr Kitty, will you please remove you teeth from my ear, and I will give you something better to eat?"

I've been around kids all my life, and I have never had one dig all 20 of it's fingernails into me my back or had one bite my ear so hard as to draw blood. Also an animal bite is much different than a kid bite.

Don't get me wrong, I do not condone animal abuse. I have saved a dog from a girlfriend's boyfriend, who kicked the dog when the dog would not stop barking. We stole the dog at night, so that he would think the dog ran away and she broke up with him. I can't even watch Animal Planet's rescue shows. I get angry and upset.

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 10:45:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		      My dog takes his protecive role very seriously.  It's in the nature of his breed.  I knew this going in, and didn't permit behaviors that were "cute" when he was a puppy.  On those occasions when he has confronted people, his raised hackles and snarl have persuaded them to stand very still until I arrive.  I disarm him with a certain phrase before giving him access to new people and my yard is fenced.

    If this is a developing pattern as your Golden matures, I would ask if you've had him fixed.  Unless you are planning to breed him, it is the responsible thing to do, and, with some corrective training, should cure the problem.

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 12:08:41 PM   
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That is the place that saved my Mickey from an untimely demise at my hands. They have a great forum with a lot of experts as well as a sister site, Cat.com.
Good luck, and more hugs you stressed out chickie.

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 1:54:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its a her, named Sunshine = )  Aye and she was fixed after my 7 mon old kitten came home pregnant with 2 boyfriends. 

i can disarm her just fine.  Had two cops here today who were like "can you hold the dog???"  Once i told her they were okay, and them she was okay - everyone was best friends.    I've got her pretty calmed down with the outside world.  Her habit is to go running off the mouth (lots of barking) and to hightail it to where ever the offender is.  (Now she just high tails it to the nearest window)  Usually with me telling her "no" and "Calm down"  or "Sunshineeeeeeeeeeee"  She doesnt take off after strangers anymore, but i havent gotten her to leave motorcycles and UPS trucks alone.  But i think she's got a crush on the UPS guy - he gives her pieces of chicken when he comes around. 

She gets grouchy is what i think it is and has dominance issues with the wee one.  They're like best friends/sisters and play accordingly.  The wrestle - usually with the dog knocking the wee one down and standing over top as in "king of the mountain".  They both love their games.  i get after them together.  Getting after them both to "calm down" "easy!!"  "not so rough"  "sunshine dont bite"  (she nibbles - but gets carried away) "wee one dont hit"  "wee one dont pull the hair"  "sunshine let her up" 

Never considered a pecking order between them.  i view them both almost the same - kids.  Ya know, the wee one gets in bad moods and thinks she can get abit rough and i usually have her take a time out.  With the dog - its actually the same thing - i just worry about the chance of it becoming WORSE.  i can talk to the wee one, explain proper behavior - but i cant have a sit down talk with the dog and explain why its not okay to lash out when yer cranky. 

i just worry it will become worse as she gets older.  Or because she's bigger and can do a great deal of damage it wont be what it is now, but something serious. 

I'll check out the dog.com link - thanks


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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 2:08:58 PM   
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My ADD kitten only likes my husband, unless I have a goody or dinner. Occasionally she will have a mood swing towards me, and she starts licking me and purring, then the next thing I know she is chomping down on me. It's likes she has to wash me before she eats me! Then she just gets the cat-apult from my lap.

I have probably kicked her in the face a couple of times. She attacks me from under the bed, and my first reaction is to get her claws / mouth the fuck off of me. I have shut her in the closet (not for a long period of time) because she won't stop opening the door, and causing us to run into it and hurt ourselves. I have probably smacked her in to the wall on occasion, when she won't stop attacking my butt / thighs when I am trying to pee.

Am I abusive, I think not. Is Devilslilsister abusive, I think not.

You should see my skin; I look like I am a cutter. When I get a pedicure they look at me weird. I have all these scratches on my feet, and between my toes.

Though I probably ask for it sometimes. I do like to instigate. It is ever so much fun. She receives as well as returns.

My cat is wicked and occasionally I will call her The Spawn of Satan

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Could just clip the cats nails so they are dull in front.  Have to do it every couple of weeks.

I have had aggressive cats.  I have had docile cats.  I have had skittish cats.  There are herbal and homeopathic things you can give cats to mellow them out.

Most people, in my experience, do not understand dogs.  A dog needs to be taught that it is not the Alpha in the relationship.  This is not something which will happen in a one time thing.  A useful way to do this is to lunge them like horses.  Every time you are near it, tell it to do something.  Make it sit before you feed it.  Etc.  The point is to get it used to doing what you tell it to do.  Might seem psychotic to you, but tell it to get on the couch when it is on the floor.  Tell it to go to the floor when it is on the couch.

It is not what you tell the dog to do.  It is that the dog does what you tell it.  You have to be consistent and patient, and eventually the dog will learn it's place.

A dog which understands who the Alpha is (not it) will not ever be a problem.  A dog which does not understand who the Alpha is will continually attempt to make you it's beta.

My latest trick, after teaching one to twirl on it's hind legs, was to get a skittish and water hating dog to fetch balls from the middle of a lake.

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 5:31:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		The dog KNOWS i am alpha - well it clashes when my mother comes around.  Generally speaking, i know i am alpha.  I think the problem with my last dog was i treated it too much like a baby and HE thought he was alpha. 

Going to take your suggestions to heart though Synergy, good advice. 


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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 5:33:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyone else find it odd that Jali hasn’t chimed in on this thread considering her relationship with her dog.

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 6:07:10 PM   
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yeah okay - it was dumb to say it here.  But it felt good.  So there.

i just shoved tape worm pills down my cats throats.  The little bitch - baby of the family - managed to entangle her claws in my skin and on the second attempt she bit down hard enough on my finger to draw blood.  Might sound stupid, but chomped down cos she was fricken mad.  She actually chomped down a few times.

::sigh:: i lost my temper = (  Grabbed her by the back of the neck, slammed her head back and then slammed the pill down her throat.  (and of course some one was holding her front paws)  I wasnt very nice, but damned be, being nice has me bleeding in several places.

She's damn lucky i didnt kick her in the ass as she took of running.  Give her alittle bit of "help" in her departure. 

For some reason - atm i would like to go around insulting anyone i come in contact with and bashing their heads in.  Course i've been feeling like this off and on for a week now.  Spoke about it last night with Master.

Bashing their heads in = coming down so hard on their head - you cave the back back of their skull in sending skull fragments into their brain.  Master said i needed to cheer up.  bah

So what if you bash the whole top of some ones head in?  Think they'll survive?  What do ya think it'll look like?  I've a great mental image of one bash.. i wonder what a full skull will look like.  There'd most likely be alot of blood which would just further piss me off.  So i tend to imagine it with out blood. 
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::sigh:: i think i'm in a bad mood = (



You're talking about tapeworms...right?

Killing kitties.

(Am I missing something here?)

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 6:20:15 PM   
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Going to take your suggestions to heart though Synergy, good advice. 



Have to point out that this same sort of thing works both in D/s and in the workplace.

"strumpet, mind getting me some coffee?"  "strumpet, put some more cream in it."  "strumpet, mind sitting on the floor."  "strumpet, mind hopping on to the couch with me."  etc.

"Boss, mind throwing this (handing him wad of paper) in that? (pointing at trash can between the two of you)
"Boss, would you do me a favor and send out an email to everybody about a meeting I need you to have?"
"Boss, they need me to fly to Omaha, NE, tomorrow, mind asking our secretary to make the arrangements?"

Response to "Why dont you do it?"

"Im not high enough on the pay scale, it is better coming from you."

Eventually your boss and co-workers get used to you telling them what to do.

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 6:24:42 PM   
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LittleDebilgirl


ok, i know its a typo - but every time i see that i see "Little debbie girl"

Like the little debie snack cakes....  and i always have to say "she is not calling you a snack cake! Its a typo, dur.. say it with me kelly.. littledevilgirl"  And that is what i do every time i open up this thread.  I end up looking at it.. have that conversation and then repeat "lildevilsgirl" a few times and try and get my eyes to SEE that instead of

SNACK CAKE

edited to add - LOL Syn!  i guess thats why my former boss used to have a heart attack every time i asked him to do something.  And i thought he was just uptight! 


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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 6:29:35 PM   
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Anyone else find it odd that Jali hasn’t chimed in on this thread considering her relationship with her dog.


I'm laughing, god you've got a good memory lol. Actually on that front, masters dog has been a lot better to me since my new kitten was introduced to the household. She hasnt growled at me once....strange that hey.

Cute Kitten Link: http://www.catster.com/cats/447522/sniff
Naughty dog Link: http://www.dogster.com/dogs/447492/sniff

(Sorry for hijacking the thread for a sec)

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 6:46:11 PM   
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edited to add - LOL Syn!  i guess thats why my former boss used to have a heart attack every time i asked him to do something.  And i thought he was just uptight! 



I would be having an argument with my ex-wife, and I would wander in to my bosses office and suggest he send me for a week or two to Omaha, NE. 

Rasberry Weizenbrau at the Jones Street Brewery.

Or the other one to send me to corporate to do gawd knows what in Chicago.

That way I could hang with my buddy who was in med school.

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 6:47:40 PM   
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Anyone else find it odd that Jali hasn’t chimed in on this thread considering her relationship with her dog.


I'm laughing, god you've got a good memory lol. Actually on that front, masters dog has been a lot better to me since my new kitten was introduced to the household. She hasnt growled at me once....strange that hey.

Cute Kitten Link: http://www.catster.com/cats/447522/sniff
Naughty dog Link: http://www.dogster.com/dogs/447492/sniff

(Sorry for hijacking the thread for a sec)


Its not really that strange.

The dog has probably figured out that everybody in the household pays a lot more attention to the kitten then to it, and has been told by your Master to not eat the kitten.

Dog fears being replaced...

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RE: venting - 2/4/2007 7:27:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		awwwwwwwwwwwww are they your pets?  They're so CUTE!!  Kitty is especially cute

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