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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 12:38:37 PM   
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You appear to look down on those who choose a different path than yours. While I find it difficult sometimes to see what people get out of it, when they are weekend warriors so to speak or have limits within their relationship, it obviously fulfills a need in them or else they would not do it.


Not at all or in the least! My comments were directed to the document's philosophy in a contract represented as ideal or at minimum was the response to a "realistic" "feasible". Finishing the thought I said this was just a guide. Could be a good one for that matter. Your point and mine are not only compatible - they are exactly the same. By definition anyones "way" is an agreement between both parties, over a weekend, or over a lifetime.

My apologies if that wasn't conveyed by my words. They were responsive to the challenge of the way we live, and not meant to disparage anyone else's "way". There is NO "way".

I DO challenge those that live on-line because I believe they are cheating themselves. I especially challenge those that ONLY have on-line "experience" (NOT the correct word).

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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 12:42:52 PM   
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My apologies if that wasn't conveyed by my words. They were responsive to the challenge of the way we live, and not meant to disparage anyone else's "way". There is NO "way".

I DO challenge those that live on-line because I believe they are cheating themselves. I especially challenge those that ONLY have on-line "experience" (NOT the correct word).


That is the most honest answer I can ever recall reading from you. Thank you.

However, I must disagree with those who only live online. Depending on life circumstances some only have that option.
Granted it is not for you, nor is it for me..but I can empathize with their situations.

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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 12:48:13 PM   
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FYI for all those out there that are interested . . . . . that is not my personal contract.

As I said it was a guideline. I would hope that if "you" choose to use one of the examples you would personalize it to your own relationship.

I would never post a contract of mine simply because it is a personal thing between him and I, and quite frankly, none of "your" business.






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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 12:58:11 PM   
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You haven't exactly been honest with many here. When you are it is in private as you are saying everyone here is a joke. Which I am sure you've said about me many times in the past to other's as well. Keep saying it...because I have my own feelings as well.


The joke is a submissive who gives a list of "allowed" activities.
The joke is someone with no relevant real time experience giving advice.
The joke is taking yourself too serious.
The joke is thinking your way / my way / their way is the "right way".
The joke is assuming the worse and interpreting gestures - versus communicating.

I never said every ONE here is a joke, although may people, especially those that have multiple personality disorder evidenced by multiple profiles ARE a joke. If some of the posts here aren't intended to be jokes - they sure fooled me. I accept NO ONE here as real until I've met them. No one should. The large percentage of threads pointing out the fakes, phonies and wannabes bear out that attitude is correct. Yet, if someone posts a question or brings up a concern I trust they are representing themselves honestly. I won't try to interpret what they "REALLY" mean.

If my crime is inviting people to know about our life, to be open and answer any question, to offer people the hospitality of our home, to want to be around other people who share this life full-time or part-time, as long as it's REAL time - GUILTY.
I don't care, and won't be paranoid about what I "think" somebody thinks or says about me/us. I have what I've wanted and desired all my life - here & now. For the 100th time at minimum - It's for US, it works for US!

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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 1:01:45 PM   
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I never said every ONE here is a joke, although may people, especially those that have multiple personality disorder evidenced by multiple profiles ARE a joke. If some of the posts here aren't intended to be jokes - they sure fooled me. I accept NO ONE here as real until I've met them. No one should. The large percentage of threads pointing out the fakes, phonies and wannabes bear out that attitude is correct. Yet, if someone posts a question or brings up a concern I trust they are representing themselves honestly. I won't try to interpret what they "REALLY" mean.


Is that the way you honestly feel now? I know for a fact and I do have e-mails stating different.
People do change. Almost everything in that paragraph has changed from the Merc I last spoke to.


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RE: RE:"contracts" - 6/21/2005 1:11:45 PM   
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Thank you so much for having the grace to clarify, and I apologize for my misunderstanding. I'm sure anyone who reads my posts can tell that one true wayisms are a big pet peeve of mine, and I have a difficult time biting my tongue when I see it.

I have always enjoyed reading posts from both of you guys.

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/21/2005 1:39:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

The rules portion which is included in My contracts is for the slave's benefit as far as referring to and learning the rules. They are just included in the contract for the sake of convenience, and also indicates that the slave has read them and has agreed and signed.
My rules have a tenddancy to be more on the service oriented side, as opposed to the sexual areas, as the largest percentage of a live-ins life is about non-sexual service (with Me, that is). So it is helpful to have these things clearly understood up front.
Regarding a journal...I say a page a day, handwritten, and I do spend time each week reading, discussing and I initial the entries. It is a good discipline.
Ya know, whatever works for any relationship, is a good thing.
I don't find Myself bogged down by too many rules, and there is always flexibility in given situations. But I have found that most of the boys really want to know, and need some sort of strict guidelines they can agree to, learn and become acclimated to. It seems to make clear My expectations, and they don't have to play a guessing game.


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Regarding a journal...I say a page a day, handwritten, and I do spend time each week reading, discussing and I initial the entries. It is a good discipline

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i have heard an awful lot about journals. funny thing is i just never can find anything earth shattering to write about. everyday is the same to me. get up, do what ya have to. go to bed. there is just nothing that sticks in my mind worth writing down. i am lucky if i write in my one here, once a month. and it is mainly my running exploits when i go somewhere to meet someone. my daily life i find dull and boring. and what is the purpose of writing something in a journal when She is right there to talk to? i never could grab that concept. must be some new generation thing.



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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/21/2005 1:51:32 PM   
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There really is no end to the selfishness and arrogance of some here is there?

Its so sad when you consider there will be people who pass through this forum and look in for advice and support and get mostly one sided views passed off as fact.

And there was me thinking this has to be better than vanilla life.

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/21/2005 2:15:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: asissyforher


i have heard an awful lot about journals. funny thing is i just never can find anything earth shattering to write about. everyday is the same to me. get up, do what ya have to. go to bed. there is just nothing that sticks in my mind worth writing down. i am lucky if i write in my one here, once a month. and it is mainly my running exploits when i go somewhere to meet someone. my daily life i find dull and boring. and what is the purpose of writing something in a journal when She is right there to talk to? i never could grab that concept. must be some new generation thing.




it doesn't have to be eath shattering. It just has to be something. I write things that I've been wondering about, or things that caught in mymind, or things that I did that I was particularly proud/ashamed of.

If -you- find your life dull, what is there for your owner? I'm not saying this as an insult, rather as an idea for a change of outlook. I figure if I cant muster enthusiasm about my life, why should anyone else?

Sure, my partner is right here to talk to. Sometimes, it's easier to say things in print. For example, I have a very hard time asking for sexual things. We're working on my ability to verbalize it, but my journal is a good place to ask without having to ask face to face. It's sort of an intermediate step for things that make you uncomfortable.


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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/21/2005 2:35:39 PM   
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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

it doesn't have to be eath shattering. It just has to be something. I write things that I've been wondering about, or things that caught in mymind, or things that I did that I was particularly proud/ashamed of.

If -you- find your life dull, what is there for your owner? I'm not saying this as an insult, rather as an idea for a change of outlook. I figure if I cant muster enthusiasm about my life, why should anyone else?

Sure, my partner is right here to talk to. Sometimes, it's easier to say things in print. For example, I have a very hard time asking for sexual things. We're working on my ability to verbalize it, but my journal is a good place to ask without having to ask face to face. It's sort of an intermediate step for things that make you uncomfortable.


Excellant. I couldn't have said it better.






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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/21/2005 2:44:41 PM   
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what is the purpose of writing something in a journal when She is right there to talk to? i never could grab that concept. must be some new generation thing.


If you have a photographic memory, good for you. Assuming your relationship lasts over the course of years you could relate in detail the thoughts you were thinking, the questions you had, or the emotions you were feeling on a certain day after a specific event. Journals are for those who can't and want to remember what it felt like to experience something for the first time. Many times important things become trivial and the trivial become important. Journals serve as a historical reference.

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/21/2005 5:52:31 PM   
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Yep . . . . . . memories.

Although I wouldn't say "can't" remember. Sometimes it's just nice to go back to a specific time or event and reminisce.

I don't keep a traditional journal. In other words, I don't write every day. Writting for me is an outlet I use. Depending on my mood depends on what ends up in there. It enables me to get my thoughts, questions, feelings and emotions together. It allows me to vent. and like perverseangelic said "Sometimes, it's easier to say things in print."
It's not something I do online. For some reason it's just not the same online. And rarely is it anything earth shattering. lol

So I guess I would have to say I am an advocate for some kind of journaling. But as always, to each their own.






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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/21/2005 6:02:35 PM   
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I have to confess to feeling a bit left out with all the Live Journal frenzy, et al. going on, but I'm with asissyforher on this one. My life is fairly routine and I wouldn't have the first clue what to write. I do enjoy reading them, though, and perhaps someday I'll give it a try.


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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/28/2005 3:51:26 PM   
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some thoughts on contracts.

1st and foremost, if the points are not realistic and really actionable then they are by fact ineffective and need not be considered.

Many of the points listed simply are not realiatic. The same rules should apply to r/t as well as on line because in most instances on/line will evolve into r/t if only on occasional weekends.

in essence, if it is not workable r/t, it should not be ruled for on line.

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/28/2005 11:32:34 PM   
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Ive had written rules once only because my Mistress was away and thus it was prooving too costly in phone calls etc so an email was made. Other then that no written rules were ever made. Anyone that does not do research and read many different websites before getting into the lifestyle is a fool to me...


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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 7/27/2005 9:39:39 PM   
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contracts of any sort legal or not, should in my mind be descused and revised by both parties. "she" (asuming a female slave, or any one eles in any case) is willing to give up everything, every aspect of her life to one person, they sould be consider it of all aspects as well.

Contracts change depend on what their for, and who their for. My mistress and I are in the process of revising a contract to suit our needs, and our relationship. Which is diffrent from many. it may very well be 24/7 but we both have exceptions when it comes to the work place and vanillia friends and family.

The rules I think can be changed to your desire...they don't have to be as there are written on the contract in question. If you don't like it, or it dosen't apply. Change it, its as simple as that.

people change, and so doese the situation, so eventualy the terms of the contract are bounded to change also. something to keep in mind.

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/13/2007 5:21:33 PM   
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....one can have flexibility in applying such in a relationship i.e. every other weekend these apply, etc.--- rigor and stringency can be best appreciated by all if its not all the time.

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 6/13/2007 5:43:12 PM   
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While I won't say which is and which ain't, I will say some of these rules are in my contract as well. Can someone actually live by this particular type and set of rules? It actually depends on the individual. I believe that if the desire is there and their heart is deep enough into the relationship, then I see no reason why one couldn't live this way.

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 7/9/2007 12:14:36 AM   
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Does a Sears service contract count?

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RE: Service "contracts" (no it isn't about le... - 7/9/2007 1:54:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: perverseangelic

I've been doing some research into service contracts (the kind that simply outline the expectations/rule for both parties) because the person we've just begun a relationship with is interested in them as a starting place for my basic rules.

I've come accross some that make a lot of sense and some that make a little, but in the spirit of curiosity and inquiry, I'd like some input on this one. (Not the whole thing, selected aspects and the list of expectations for the slave) (Upfront, I don't know if this is for a cyber relationship or a realtime relationship, nor if it matters either way)

On either side of the whip-- Are these rules fesable? Are they advised? Would you impose such on your girl/boy? Is this the kind of service contract that would be easily applicable to every day interaction? Would you find yourself bogged down by too many rules?


Ohhhh Goody Goody Gum Drops...  I get to toss my two cents worth in about how I think/feel about some of these stereotypical rules...

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Rules for Life:
1.Upon acceptance of this life all that this slave’s is belongs to Master, therefore no longer will the words “My, me, mine or I” be appropriate. As a possession of Master, all reference will consider this.

In short, the slave will sound like Goren slave girl when speaking or something.  Should be fun to hear her talk like this around people out in public or around people in the vanilla world.   Don't get me wrong hearing Gorean slave talk has sort of grown on me, but if she's with me at WalMart... she'd bettter be able to speak the words "my, me, mine and I"... and not talk in the third person at all.

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2.Cumming is a gift given by Master, permission to do so must be requested and granted by Master.

Not gonna pick on this one too much... 

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3.Within 30 seconds of being alone or with Master all clothing must be removed.

LOL...  I can see it now!  after 30 seconds she gets butt naked automatically.  Personally, I'm not crazy about this rule, what if I enjoy looking at her wearing what she already has on?  What if I want to undress her myself?  What if company will be coming in 5 minutes that I have not informed her about?   Personally, I want to have her ask if I would like for her to undress, change or whatever else.   I personally enjoy seeing sexy clothing on women, call it a bit of an eye candy fetish.   Classic example where I would rather do something to my own liking and not Mindlessly follow Stock contracts like this...

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4.Wearing panties or bra is not permitted.

I'd Pass on this clause, what if I wanted her to wear these things at times?  Me insisting her to wear this means I would be violating the agreement/contract myself.  LOL...    Trust me, I do insist upon these things being worn at times. 

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5.When alone or with Master, collar and cuffs must be worn. Collar and cuffs must also be worn when sleeping.

Again, I would decide when and what over a rule like this.   How about a rewrite.   "Collars and cuffs must be worn at times as specificed according to Master".   Keep it simple....

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6.When alone at Master’s residency, chains will be attached in a manner directed by Master.

Chains to what?  Personally, if I was not home and he house caught fire I'd want my slave to be able to escape the fucking house and not like the fire department find her crispy crittered chained body in the closet or basement.  This Dude ain't spending no time in jail for wrongful death...  LOL...

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7.When with Master, or at the Master’s residence, nothing, including personal hygiene, is done without Master’s permission – no permission is to be implied.

Be prepared to micromanage this slave to death.   It will require a lot more work on your part.  Hope you have lots of time on your hands.   If kids asking you lots of questions tend to get on your nerves... this won't be good for you.    Ok.. Let's say the slave needs to shave and you did not give her pemission because you were tied up.  However, a couple of hours later you find she is stubbles here there and everywhere.   You'd better be prepared to deal with yourself and stupidity in the mirror.. LOL...
Again I hope you have lots of time to devote toward micromanagement here.   If you can do it and the slave can deal with it, I wish you best of luck..  You'll be making some slight modifications in rule over time.   The Day you say... Yes, you may shave your arm pits stop asking me this question and just do it!   Think in a couple years time, you'll have a lot of implied permission things going on.  LOL...  Perhaps, I'm wrong...  this is just my 2 cents on it.

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8. gs, underarms, and genital area must be completely shaved smooth, until Master deems to have it permanently removed, for Master’s touch.

Can't slam this too much...  as long as this is what you want.   If  you like or enjoy a little hair, then shit can this clause...

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9.Crawling will be my mode of movement when alone or at Master’s residence unless otherwise directed by Master.

Again, I would go by something like this instead.   "My mode of movement (walking, crawling) will be directed by Master as master deems fit at the time.   I think rules this detailed get a little carried away, and are not flexiable to the desires, wants, needs or master at times.

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10.No use of furniture unless approved by Master.

If this is what you want.  Most masters that have rules such as this provide the slave with a pillow or such that they can freely use without bugging master for permission to use.  A pillow for them to sit on the floor with.    You should at least consider this, if you want this rule.

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11.Master must be thanked immediately for all gifts or privileges granted, including punishment or discipline.

Not uncommon expectation for many M/s relationships.   Make certain you are prepared to enforce this and other rules you establish.

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12.Master’s ultimate gifts are his fluids, either his cum or his piss. Being precious, they should be begged for and either worn or digested, but only if first given permission. If Master deems sluts mouth worthy of receiving His cum, slave must hold it in her mouth and ask for permission to swallow.

Rolling my eyes again here..   I go by what I want in the moment and not some shit canned set of rules...   Swallow, Spit, let it drool down your chin.. whatever I want to see at the moment I will request.   Another boring Rule created by Dull minds with nothing better to do then create boring rules like these... LOL...

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13.If Master deems slave’s cunt worthy of cum, slave will use her fingers to scoop it out and either wear or eat it as directed by Master.

Yeah, Yeah, Yeah... another stupid rule...  Again, how I want at the time and not some auto pilot behavior...  Geeesh.. people must have a really dull time with some of their slaves with rules like this....

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14.After every use Master’s cock and balls will be licked clean by slave. If the slave’s ass is used, slave may use a warm washcloth finishing the cleaning with slave’s mouth.

Another auto pilot rule that takes spontaneous power and control away from Master..  What more can I say...

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15.When instructed, the following positions will be maintained: (Each position practiced each day – getting into position and maintaining it for 30 seconds while saying it’s name aloud.)
A.Rest: Kneeling, legs apart, sitting on heals, hands palms up on thighs, head bowed.
B.Present: Same as above, with hands interlocked behind head.
C.Puppy: On back, knees bent toward chest, elbows off ground, feet off ground, hands palms up, mouth open, tongue panting.
D.Bitch: Ass up, head on floor, arms stretched fully in front.
E.Slut: On back, legs spread wide, knees slightly bent, cunt lips pulled open by fingers.
F.Pretty Tits: In ‘Rest’ position with hands cupped under tits.

16.A journal entry will be made each day, minimum 250 words. Included will be all infractions of thought or deed, questions, desires, ideas to please Master, fantasies, fears, frustrations, accomplishments, goals, and progress toward goals. This is not limited to sexual or slave related things. Master will read, comment, and initial the entries.

17.Master must approve all clothing. Clothes should be modeled, either on slave, or in front of slave prior to putting on and receiving Master’s approval. Clothing should be picked based upon their attractiveness to Master and allow easy access to slave.

18.Touching breasts, nipples, cunt, or clit in any manner in not permitted without the express permission from Master.

19.Master has use of His slave’s body in any way, at any time He desires and His slave will always be available to Him. Any indication of sexual desire by Master either by touch, motion, word, or gesture will be encouraged by slave by providing access.

20.It is expected that slave will suggest ways to further training and use, verbally or through journal writings.

21.It is expected that slave will offer various parts of her body to Master in hopes He will take pleasure and use them in whatever ways He wishes.

22.Master’s pleasure is paramount. Sexual overtones should be a part of all behavior. All actions, walking, running, standing, kneeling, speaking, listening, will be in a manner pleasing to Master.

23.Master’s ‘toys’ will be maintained in good condition by slave, and displayed by slave in a manner providing easy access.

24.Whenever ‘Instant Messaging’ with Master, slave will always have webcam providing Master view of slave.

25.Each day, slave will kneel in the ‘Rest’ position in front of a mirror and read this entire document out loud. Ultimate goal would be to have them memorized. Afterwards, slave will close her eyes and meditate in that position for a minimum of 5 minutes.


Blah Blah Blah BLah Blah....   think about rules that are important to you and what you want... Screw this canned crap you are pulling from the Net

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