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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 3:54:05 AM   
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well, I think that it would be reported as a crime if it was consentual, unless, of course someone else saw it and reported it.  If it was consentual, I still don't think it would be reported on.  The fact that the police are saying she will be scarred indicates to me that it was not SSC. 

The main difference between "hot" and "terrible" is consent.  In a consentual scene these things would be hot, but out of that context they are appalling.  While you do not have "consent" to all actions at the time (or even most if I follow your posts right) you have consented as a whole to whatever your daddy wishes to do to you.  Not everyone has blanket consent like that in their relationship and it definitely seems that this woman did not wish these things to be done.



of course i understand the difference, but as i said i still have the somewhat old-fashioned/sexist view that a man can use his own wife as he pleases. so while yes, she may have been harmed, physically and emotionally, and yes he might just be a cruel b**tard, this is still a husband and wife we're talking about here and i personally don't view it as a crime.


If you are serious, you need to consider getting some serious therapy.

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 6:01:17 AM   
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As a fem dom who is married the thought that my husband, no matter what our dynamics are, could be viewed by some to be able to do whatever he wants to me on the simple basis that we are married utterly amazes me and repluses me.  I certainly did not agree to that kind of marriage.  Nobody, male or female should be forced to engage in sexual activities without consent.  No means no. 

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 6:47:11 AM   
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i remember hearing about this story on another (vanilla) site. now that i read it again, i have to say that although if this was nonconsensual, i feel for the woman and the suffering she had to endure, the activities described sound pretty "hot" to me. but then i'm a pervert, so take that for what it's worth. also, being the old-fashioned sexist that i am, i don't really believe in rape between a man and his wife. she was his....he did what he wanted with her. but with that aside however, there is no mention anywhere in the story of whether or not the wife agreed to or accepted what took place.


This is a very scary statement.  This puts all wives in the catagory of property whether they want to be or not. 

Daddysprop247,

If you're husband wanted to perform female castration on you and sew up your vaginal opening, leaving only enough of an opening for menses, would this be his right?  According to your line of thinking it would be.  And since you are his, what is to stop him from doing ANY DAMN THING he wants to you, since you are his? 

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 10:34:50 AM   
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This is a very scary statement.  This puts all wives in the catagory of property whether they want to be or not. 

Daddysprop247,

If you're husband wanted to perform female castration on you and sew up your vaginal opening, leaving only enough of an opening for menses, would this be his right?  According to your line of thinking it would be.  And since you are his, what is to stop him from doing ANY DAMN THING he wants to you, since you are his? 


well, i'm not a wife, i'm a slave. that's actually my biggest "hangup" if you will about getting married, because our current society views marriage as a union of equals, and "wife" is just too loft a title for me. but anywho, whether i were my Master's wife, or his slave as i am now, the program would be the same. yes he could have me circumcised (believe it or not i actually have fantasies about this, so what you said was not so extreme in my view), he could take my life, he could make me wear orange plaid, on a boat with a goat, etc.


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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 10:41:49 AM   
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She doesn't think it's rape if it's a husband/wife situation. At least that is what I'm getting. Correct me if I'm wrong of course.


yes basically, any more that i would view it as rape between a Master and slave. but i don't want to come across as harsh or cold...couldn't be farther from either. i feel badly for anyone who is made to suffer against their will. however, this alone does not make something a crime in my view. it depends on the circumstances, and in this particular circumstance, she was his wife.

there was a time even in this nation's history when a man was considered the "king" of his castle, and his wife expected to submit to and obey him, without question. even physical discipline of a wife was condoned. yes, things have changed....few leave the words "obey" in their wedding vows, and a woman is admired for emasculating (i.e. "training") her husband. but, some of us still believe in the old-fashioned, pre-feminism ways. but unfortunately the law is no longer on our side, and that is why i have sympathy for both the husband and wife in this situation.

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 11:43:41 AM   
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Obviously this guy isn't aware that most married folks enjoy all the time they can away from their spouse....Looks like his plan worked...How long will he be jailed?.....Golf or fishing would probably have been a better alternative.

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 12:40:48 PM   
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but, some of us still believe in the old-fashioned, pre-feminism ways. but unfortunately the law is no longer on our side


Do you allow for dynamics that are completely the opposite of your own and that they are equally valid?  I have no problem whatsoever with you thinking like you do as long as you apply it only to your relationship.  The problem I have is being in a F/m relationship and having someone think it should not be because I am merely the wife.  Just curious.

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 12:55:09 PM   
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MsKatHouston...i don't expect everyone to share my views, and in fact i find it quite fascinating to hear from those with completely opposing beliefs. however, i will not be politically correct and say that i support the femdom/malesub lifestyle, because i do not. i believe it very much goes against the natural order of things, and while i can accept the mathematical reality that there are likely some women who are naturally Dominant, and some men who are naturally submissive, these would be anomalies to me, and most who identify themselves with those labels would not actually qualify in the way that i personally define the terms.

so yes i have a basic belief that a Man (be he lifestyle Dominant, Master, or vanilla Husband) should "wear the pants", and do what he wills with a woman who has given herself to him. i still believe in silly old things like a woman's place. i wince everytime i'm out in public and i notice a woman being disrespectful of or backtalking her male partner. i don't wince if i'm out in public and i notice a man chastising his female partner, or even slapping her, which i've seen a few times. that's just me and how i'm wired i guess....from the time i was a young teen i've had a fantasy of running away and living in a country where females are universally thought of as subservient and as the property of men. lots of things about our modern, western equality/feminist society frighten and sadden me. but, i understand that it's the state of things for the time being, and that if i am living here i must tolerate it, so i do, but i do not agree with or condone it.

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 12:57:51 PM   
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Thank you for clarifying. 

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 1:11:19 PM   
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If she can prove that she said no..then he was in the wrong.
Please..we all know that there ARE women who will  lie about consent afterwards for what ever reason.
We are all  aware that there are men who are still troglodite enough to rape a woman.
I say she has a right for revenge.
But that's not very civil, huh?


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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 1:37:44 PM   
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well, couldnt they just use the tape? it said in the article that he taped the entire thing. i assume that he would want to capture her screaming and pleading with him. then again, thats also iffy, since many sub/slaves will scream "no" when theyve already concented to the scene(since we have a safe word). the law would consider a "no" to mean "no" though, reguardless of if they were using a safe word.

going the totally opposite way, could she have made it up? maybe they were caught by someone, and she was so embaressed that she claimed it was rape to save her good name? i personally couldnt imagine doing something so heinous to my Dom, but some people are just like that, i guess...

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/16/2007 9:24:38 PM   
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you know..whats really frightening about this (to me)  is the way bdsm is being  hailed in the media as the newest path to damnation.



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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/18/2007 7:05:43 AM   
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you know..whats really frightening about this (to me)  is the way bdsm is being  hailed in the media as the newest path to damnation.



Well if you read some of the strange comments people make, even on this thread, do you even need to wonder why?

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/18/2007 9:23:28 AM   
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so yes i have a basic belief that a Man (be he lifestyle Dominant, Master, or vanilla Husband) should "wear the pants", and do what he wills with a woman who has given herself to him. i still believe in silly old things like a woman's place. i wince everytime i'm out in public and i notice a woman being disrespectful of or backtalking her male partner. i don't wince if i'm out in public and i notice a man chastising his female partner, or even slapping her, which i've seen a few times. that's just me and how i'm wired i guess....from the time i was a young teen i've had a fantasy of running away and living in a country where females are universally thought of as subservient and as the property of men. lots of things about our modern, western equality/feminist society frighten and sadden me. but, i understand that it's the state of things for the time being, and that if i am living here i must tolerate it, so i do, but i do not agree with or condone it.


I'm sorry but when I see or hear someone say these things I think two things.

1) You really have no idea what life is like in these societies you are romancizing about.

2) You need to move and find out and leave the rest of us alone.


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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/18/2007 9:44:05 AM   
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so yes i have a basic belief that a Man (be he lifestyle Dominant, Master, or vanilla Husband) should "wear the pants", and do what he wills with a woman who has given herself to him. i still believe in silly old things like a woman's place. i wince everytime i'm out in public and i notice a woman being disrespectful of or backtalking her male partner. i don't wince if i'm out in public and i notice a man chastising his female partner, or even slapping her, which i've seen a few times. that's just me and how i'm wired i guess....from the time i was a young teen i've had a fantasy of running away and living in a country where females are universally thought of as subservient and as the property of men. lots of things about our modern, western equality/feminist society frighten and sadden me. but, i understand that it's the state of things for the time being, and that if i am living here i must tolerate it, so i do, but i do not agree with or condone it.


I'm sorry but when I see or hear someone say these things I think two things.

1) You really have no idea what life is like in these societies you are romancizing about.

2) You need to move and find out and leave the rest of us alone.



Maybe you could follow her.

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/18/2007 1:41:55 PM   
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I'm sorry but when I see or hear someone say these things I think two things.

1) You really have no idea what life is like in these societies you are romancizing about.

2) You need to move and find out and leave the rest of us alone.




actually, being a former military brat and having lived for brief periods all over the world, the islamic middle east included, i have a pretty good idea of what life can be like in those places. as for your second point, that's just not very nice...is my presence in the united states offending you personally?

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/18/2007 2:03:19 PM   
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The story leaves too much open for speculation.  This type of activity is something many BDSM'ers would engage in, and find quite enjoyable. But we don't know if this was a Master and his slave, or two vanilla people trying something out, or a husband springing this on his unsuspecting vanilla wife.

The comments to this thread have been interesting, however.  Having an ex-husband force himself and a kiss on me was bad enough.  Had he tried to rape me I would have shot him.  What he did to me in our marriage was bad enough.

My Master, however, has the right to do what he wants me, yes even circumsize me, as someone has called to question. 

Suggesting someone move and leave the rest of us alone brings the decorum of these boards down to an unfortunate low.  I happen to enjoy prop's contributions, as they expose me to views I would not have considered, and call to light that those views exist.  I would much rather know of them than live with my head in the sand.

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/18/2007 2:25:00 PM   
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*fast reply*
To each their own but personally I'm happy to live in a time and country where women do have basic human rights.

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/18/2007 4:06:40 PM   
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I'm sorry but when I see or hear someone say these things I think two things.

1) You really have no idea what life is like in these societies you are romancizing about.

2) You need to move and find out and leave the rest of us alone.




actually, being a former military brat and having lived for brief periods all over the world, the islamic middle east included, i have a pretty good idea of what life can be like in those places. as for your second point, that's just not very nice...is my presence in the united states offending you personally?



By the way, living as an military brat in other countries is not the same as living in those countries or being a citizen or member of that culture. You were there for a short period of time primarily under the military rules of the nation your father or mother (or both) served.

No, I'm not offended by your presence but by the attitude that I'm picking up from you in this and many other posts from you.

You tolerate women having rights in the USA which suggests that you would change it if you could.

I think if you want to live somewhere where you would not have legal rights, you should move there but you have no right to try and force others to live like you and your master do. When you say you tolerate things, that suggests you would work to change them.

I'm also very confused by your posts which claim you are a slave and have no rights and could be made to do anything and yet you post here. If you truly have no rights, why are you online? Why are you posting? Why are you talking to free people?

Or do you really mean that you are one man's slave and not some generic slave?

When you say things like this, daddysprop247, it makes no sense to me on even a logical level. If you truly believe you are inferior to men simply because you are female, I wonder why you post on a board where men read. If you are posting at all shouldn't it be to a women only board where you aren't talking to your superiors?

Or am I misunderstanding you again and you aren't really saying that women are inferior to men?

When you post I don't read the words of an inferior person, I read the posts of someone who has a private life that works one way who then uses that private way to extrapolate about what the rest of the world should be like. That does confuse and anger me a bit because, guess what, there are others in the rest of the world who do not feel they are inferior because of sex, gender, role, personality, race, or anything else.

In your relationship with your master you may indeed be a slave with no rights and no say, you may indeed be the inferior human being with him, but I do not think you are inferior, I do not think any group is inferior, and I'm offended that you extend your private dynamic onto the rest of us and merely tolerate the rest of us.

I don't tolerate you because what you do in your own relationship isn't my business so there is nothing for me to tolerate or not tolerate.

I may or may not try to understand how you think and live but I would never use the word tolerate because that implies I'm judging your way to be wrong.

I got mad and if I offended you and others who read my gut level reaction, I apologize for getting angry and spouting off.

I consider every person on this board to be an equal by mere fact they are human beings and when I see that attacked on anything greater than the personal relationship level, I get offended.

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RE: Man rapes wife in 2-Hour "Bondage video" - 2/18/2007 4:36:47 PM   
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*fast reply*
To each their own but personally I'm happy to live in a time and country where women do have basic human rights.


Not to anyone in particular either, but, I say this post goes double for me... as well as I am glad have the right to think for myself and to read and write. In far too many countries (including the US at the beginning of the 20th Century), the women are not allowed to read, write, vote, seek out medical attention, and the list could go on.

Kind of on topic... not really, sort of (LOL)... I was wondering if people here were to witness a man beating a woman (or a woman beating a man) in public (not at a play party) or suspected their neighbors were being abused (i.e., man raping his wife without her consent), would you call the Police? Or would you be afraid that they were a M/s situation and wouldn't want to expose them?  I'm just curious, however, I personally beleive safe is better than sorry and would call the police or some authorities somehow if I was suspect.

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