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Tuomas -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/30/2007 9:45:07 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar
I see a lot of young people comming on this site claiming to be mature beyond their years. This is a conception that IMHO is total BS. Someone explain to me how a 18 year old is mature and wise beyond their years. Have they been married and raised a family. Owned a home, had a job. What qualifies them as being mature?

I know this topic has gone way beyond this, but I just wanted to add some general culture.

Legal age to marry was 13, and still is in many countries. Claiming maturity at 18, or 21 or any other age is just social convenience.




EmmaStevieLouise -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/30/2007 9:52:46 PM)

In reply to Tuomas...
I've had several jobs, and lived away from my parents since i was 15.
ive had a child, ive considered marriage, ive supported myself entirely and most of my friends are in the late 20s and early 30s. I am 18 years old and people tell me i seem so much older, and that I am wise beyond my years. I don't put that in my profile though, because that is not something i lay claim to myself, if anything, i claim ignorance.
have a good day.




EmmaStevieLouise -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/30/2007 10:18:16 PM)

Oh dear. That wasnt in reply to Tuomas at all, it was meant to bi in reply to dnomyar.
Raymond, right?
Well, Raymond, just because you're 60 doesn't mean you're mature, and your spelling makes you seem uneducated. I'm afraid that online you don't have much to go by and that's all I see when I read your post.




juliaoceania -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/30/2007 10:26:13 PM)

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Well, Raymond, just because you're 60 doesn't mean you're mature, and your spelling makes you seem uneducated.


Does being able to spell make one mature? I do not see how lack of being able to spell well has anything to do with the substance of the opinion. I have seen at least one or two young people on this thread that did not spell particularly well, and yet you saved this attack for someone that disagreed with your position... that to me undercuts your words on this thread. That is just my opinion though.




EmmaStevieLouise -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/30/2007 10:31:11 PM)

Oh no no no no no. I agree with him. I dont know if it came across that way but I do agree with him, but then I thought for a minute, and I wanted to point out another point entirely, that just because he is 60 doesnt mean hes mature either. And then a separate point that he seems uneducated, because a lot of young people have terrible spelling yes, but I'd think you could spell things like 'interest' or 'coming' by the time you had 60 years under your belt if you're going to judge others.
Oh dear. I don't know.





FidelisMiles -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/30/2007 10:33:47 PM)

18 years olds, mostly, claim to be wise because they do not know what they do not know. Get it? If you don't know you're ignorant, you can think yourself a genuis. Plus it takes humility and humbleness to accept the fact that you are young. And I've seen many older people that have much less maturity than some children. But what is maturity, just having lived a long time makes you mature? For one, you're demeaning and trying to put down young teens by saying they are not wise, showing a lack of 'maturity' in an essence of cravings to uplift yourself on the degradation of others.

You don't always have to learn from your own mistakes, others make enough of them to teach the whole world. So maturity is not how long you've lived, it's how much you've 'lived'. Not the quantity but the quality. Age only makes people dumber, everything else is up to cognition.

(Oh, and this is not aimed at anyone as an attack on what they said, just throwing in my 3 cents on the topic) Be well and good-day.




dawntreader -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 9:12:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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The two opposing forces in this debate are determined by one group not being old enough to understand and the other group not being young enough to understand.


Well said! This makes me happy i do not belong to either of these groups...




alphasubstituent -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 9:15:05 AM)

Looking through these posts, I've seen a plethora of people who claim "When I was 18, I......" as their reason for thinking that we are immature; perhaps these people were late bloomers and took a while to reach maturity--this is no reason to assume that most/all 18 year old individuals are the same. From reading these posts I see many young people who do seem to be mature as well as many who claim to be but are not. One thing that I can say is that arguing back and forth about what makes you mature doesn't seem to accomplish the job. Perhaps maturity isn't in what you say, but in what you don't say.  




dawntreader -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 9:31:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: alphasubstituent

One thing that I can say is that arguing back and forth about what makes you mature doesn't seem to accomplish the job. Perhaps maturity isn't in what you say, but in what you don't say.  


Excellent Point!!!!!!!!!




IrishMist -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 10:09:04 AM)

Fast reply

Maturity is determined by actions. Not by age, not by experience. By actions.




FidelisMiles -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 10:36:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

Fast reply

Maturity is determined by actions. Not by age, not by experience. By actions.
There, pretty much summed up everything. It's what you do that counts, not what you say.




Aine -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 10:41:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: Aine

Fast reply to no one in particular.

I've not read the entirety of this thread yet, and I'm sure I'll have even more to read once I get home from work.

But hows about engaging those of us "durn youngins" instead of patronizing us?

People in general don't like to be treated "as a child" and will generally respond better when not addressed thusly.

(edited to add)
And shoosh, I am not including those in playtime :P



The two opposing forces in this debate are determined by one group not being old enough to understand and the other group not being young enough to understand.


That is unfortunately very true in most cases.

Although, it just makes me smile when those of us that do show any respect and understanding or a want to understand to our "elders" still more often than not get the pat on the head, and a "Bless your heart".

Perhaps as much as I didn't want to take sides in this debate, it's certainly going to look like I'm taking sides with that comment.

In my heart of hearts, I belive that neither of the sides is right.

Neither are they completely wrong.




agirl -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 2:45:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aine

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit

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ORIGINAL: Aine

Fast reply to no one in particular.

I've not read the entirety of this thread yet, and I'm sure I'll have even more to read once I get home from work.

But hows about engaging those of us "durn youngins" instead of patronizing us?

People in general don't like to be treated "as a child" and will generally respond better when not addressed thusly.

(edited to add)
And shoosh, I am not including those in playtime :P



The two opposing forces in this debate are determined by one group not being old enough to understand and the other group not being young enough to understand.


That is unfortunately very true in most cases.

Although, it just makes me smile when those of us that do show any respect and understanding or a want to understand to our "elders" still more often than not get the pat on the head, and a "Bless your heart".

Perhaps as much as I didn't want to take sides in this debate, it's certainly going to look like I'm taking sides with that comment.

In my heart of hearts, I belive that neither of the sides is right.

Neither are they completely wrong.



There's nothing more irritating than condescention.

I'd never get away with that with my sprogs; they know bullshit when they see it. I treat them in accordance with their behaviour and they do me, too.

agirl




MasterHyde -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 4:16:26 PM)

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I see a lot of young people comming on this site claiming to be mature beyond their years. This is a conception that IMHO is total BS. Someone explain to me how a 18 year old is mature and wise beyond their years. Have they been married and raised a family. Owned a home, had a job. What qualifies them as being mature?


If an 18 year old shows the maturity and wisdom most would expect to find in a 25 year old, she is most certainly mature and wise beyond her years. But is she mature and wise in YOUR eyes?

It's subjective, folks. One person's mature and wise is another person's childish and ignorant. No point in ranting about it. I have met some very mature and wise 18 year olds. Did I think they were as mature and wise as 42 year old? No, but that wasn't the point, was it? If I wanted a mature and wise 42 year old, I'd date myself!




MasterHyde -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 4:46:25 PM)

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Good thing I like being pissed on, huh?!


Mmm, talk like that turns me on!





hisannabelle -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 7:06:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Aine
Although, it just makes me smile when those of us that do show any respect and understanding or a want to understand to our "elders" still more often than not get the pat on the head, and a "Bless your heart".



well, condescension never really makes me smile, but i'm learning not to let it bother me. although it makes me wonder how they expect to be listened to if they're constantly condescending.




tulipgoose -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 8:04:31 PM)

I first must say: I know there are many mature adults and young adults on this site and many mature people of all ages elsewhere. Something else I feel is of importance: One may be mature when it comes to a particular subject, and not when it comes to another. We all make fools of ourselves sometimes, and mistakes or lowered guards and concern do not determine our underline maturity or understanding of the world and how to face it each day.

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ORIGINAL: Dnomyar

I see a lot of young people comming on this site claiming to be mature beyond their years. This is a conception that IMHO is total BS. Someone explain to me how a 18 year old is mature and wise beyond their years. Have they been married and raised a family. Owned a home, had a job. What qualifies them as being mature?


Dnomyar: I see myself as mature at 20 in part by the fact that I AM NOT raising a family or married to someone unsuitable. I have had many opportunities to do so, but do not wish to bring children into a home I have yet to afford and create to be comfortable. Just because you have gained these things which previous generations claimed to be "life goals" does not mean you are mature. Maturity is simply that... Maturity. Maturity is being respectful and respectable. It is have the ability to make the right choice and knowledge that just because we are able to doesn't mean we always will or can in certain situations beyond our control.

Aside from that, one of my best friends was married at 17, via his parents happy and understanding consent, his wife had a baby when they were 18, and has been happily married 5 years, renting an apartment, with a job for himself and his wife. They have their whole lives ahead of them, with common goals.

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i like the 18-20 year Dommes with 5-8 yrs of experience !!  that cracks me up, they
were beating other kids in grade school ??
And yes, 18 yr olds are not mature, I dont' care how many drugs they've done to grow up,
fact is, we were all that age and I remember we thought we knew everything too, only
later to discover that you do indeed continue to learn throughout life, not just the first 18 yrs.


In reply to BeatMeDaily:

I have never once denied the need to learn through my entire life. I do not claim to know everything. Knowing everything does not make one mature, but would in fact make them the opposite I am quite certain as one human being could not possible hold such a vast amount of information. If you thought you knew everything, that was just being stubborn, something entirely unrelated to immaturity, but a means of which you could show it off (ie: Through you firm rooted belief at said point of knowing everything you may have acted "childish" in your means of expression of such things)

Generic responses and comments beyond the first two posts:

My favourite saying is: "All the experiences in the world do not prepare one for what is to come."

We cannot always help our experiences. Of course, many we can avoid or reach for.

I have always had interest in "spanking" as well as other things and dabbled with friends when I was younger, thus gaining "experience" is that a bad thing? I don't think so..... 18 though a technical age of comprehension for a community is rarely an age for a person to open their eyes and say "Oh wow, things exist and I want to try them now that I am 18 years old!"

Another thing of importance here is that children these days are RARELY allowed to be children.... I didn't have a very tough life, compared to many around me, but still, I needed to be mature. Kids are being filled with information, ideas, options. What is the point of giving them all these things without new outlets of which to express their knowledge? When I was in earlier years of school I would come home to my mom and show her things I was learning and she had never seen much of it before. I have met children who are the age I was then within the last few years who know things I never learned. They need to take in all this new stuff, the stuff I knew, AND the stuff earlier generations knew...... It is overwhelming. Older people truly aren't as smart even with age and experience.

I have a scenario I have been using the last few years about what the internet can prove about age. It goes like this:

There is a 12 year old child who is in his bedroom browsing the internet on his computer. He enters a chat room and decides to start a conversation one-on-one with another user in the room. Conversation is as follows:

12yearold: Hello there. How are you today?

oTheRuZer: oK howZ R u?

12yearold: I am doing just fine, thank you. What brings you to the room?

oTheRuZer: i wuZ board u

12yearold: Oh, I am just looking for someone to chat with.

- it goes on and on a bit longer..... but guess who the other user is? The other user is this child's parent!

The thing is..... I have a solid foundation for this scenario's existence. I have been in chat rooms with people who have family members in a chat room with them. While this is a great concept, and many parents should keep a close eye on their children in such a way, most times I have seen it where a parent ends up being the room problem, the one who swears uncontrollably, acts extremely immature and sets a terrible example for their child.




LotusSong -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 9:53:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit


The two opposing forces in this debate are determined by one group not being old enough to understand and the other group not being young enough to understand.


The old have been young.. the young have yet to be old :)
 
One knows both sides and the other only supposes.




IrishMist -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 9:57:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong

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ORIGINAL: MadRabbit


The two opposing forces in this debate are determined by one group not being old enough to understand and the other group not being young enough to understand.


The old have been young.. the young have yet to be old :)
 
One knows both sides and the other only supposes.

Thats fucking BS lotus. Are you telling me that the older people have ALL HAD THE EXACT SAME experiences as what the younger ones WILL HAVE or have already had?





hisannabelle -> RE: 18 and maturity (3/31/2007 9:59:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LotusSong
One knows both sides and the other only supposes.


no one can walk in another's shoes. one person's experience as a young person and another's will be completely different. one person's experience of life, period, will be completely different from someone else's.




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