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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 6:04:39 AM   
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ORIGINAL: undergroundsea

I am not sure if I would post to a thread that asked what skills I have. I go into the question of skills only if I am envisioning a relationship that is service only, ...


See now, sea, therein lies the rub; at least for me.
 
As you’ve seen here, many times Dommes receive ‘Do me’ requests from guys who call themselves submissives.  (I’m sure there are fem subs who do this as well…but we all know men out number women here something like ten to one).
 
For me the problem comes from…I know what I can do for him, whether it is floggings or CBT or letting him ‘perform’ oral sex on me; but I’m often at a loss as to what the guy has in mind when we’re not doing the sex or BDSM thing.  For this reason, I like to know enough about him to get some clue.
 
I like my boys to also be companions; I like to fish, camp, garden, cook and entertain.  Would he like participating in any of those things?  Can he teach me how to fly fish?  Or is his interest in sports purely on television?  While I keep a fairly neat and clean home…I’m not so good at house cleaning.  I have several friends who do this as a living, so I KNOW how it’s ‘supposed’ to go and I don’t do it that way.  Would the submissive be helpful there?
 
How about as a handy-man or mechanic?  When I’m not beating his ass or otherwise tormenting his body, could he fix my garage door?
 
Perhaps one of the things some of us Toppy kind of women are looking for is something, anything, other than a guy out looking for easy, kinky sex.  What he says in his profile is all we have to go by.  Well, unless we read the boards…
 
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Edited to add a space before the /quote thingie...so this whole thing isn't in the box!

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 6:11:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Domin8tingUrDrmz

A good sense of humor is also appreciated...at least by me.


Oh me too!  Lordy, I get overly tired of all the bowing and scraping, too.  If ya can't have fun, why bother?
 
B

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 7:50:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MsBearlee
For me the problem comes from…I know what I can do for him, whether it is floggings or CBT or letting him ‘perform’ oral sex on me;


I think there is room for me to elaborate on the thoughts behind my prior post.

One thought is that I see some of the topics suggested to be great for general discussion and I think some are better for individual discussions when you are getting to know someone. While I don't have a strong position either way for the question of skills, it does not strike me as a topic that would draw me. I will leave it to the conversation that occurs in such a thread and how it inspires me.

I bring up the skills in an introduction or a conversation when the basis for the relationship is D/s and service only. Even then, I discuss the skills as a secondary point in a discussion about my draw to service. When I introduce myself towards a broader relationship, discussing service skills seems odd to me as it would for any companionship or romantic relationship. I think the idea that I am interested to do things for her (versus a list of specific things) is important and providing a list of what I can do is not something I am likely to do at the outset. Each conversation is different but this approach is my general one.

My BDSM interests rely more on the mental aspects and less on having physical things done to me. So perhaps that has made this question of what the sub can do in return less relevant. I have no interest in CBT specifically. If I engage in CBT, I see it as engaging in an activity that the domme enjoys and as an activity that serves my general want to engage in BDSM. And if I do engage in an activity just for the sake of the domme, I see it as part of the bigger give and take relationship. As long as the give and take is occurring relatively evenly in each direction, how well does the same perspective (seeing an activity as part of a bigger give and take relationship, or as a means to achieve BDSM) work for a domme?

When I do engage in any such activities, I see it as one form of participation in a D/s dynamic. If you find no reward in CBT and are doing it only to indulge the sub, it is fair to expect that he will reciprocate in some other manner. If you are also enjoying CBT then I think that activity itself satisfies both persons. If it is indeed satisfying both persons, is there still a need to have something done in turn? If so, can you put your finger on why you feel this way?

On a similar note, I am wondering if you consider a sub providing oral sex to you an activity that only serves him?

Also, to provide service so I can receive an activity such as CBT positions the service as a barter and makes the service less interesting to me. To me, the service is most interesting when it is an expression of D/s.

quote:

I’m often at a loss as to what the guy has in mind when we’re not doing the sex or BDSM thing.  For this reason, I like to know enough about him to get some clue.

 
I agree that this point is important, especially for a broader relationship. I see this point and the question about recreational activities to be part of personality rather than skills.

quote:

Perhaps one of the things some of us Toppy kind of women are looking for is something, anything, other than a guy out looking for easy, kinky sex.


I think this point is a key one and can make for an interesting discussion, which I will save for another time.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 8:16:45 AM   
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Well said.... Especially your CBT example.

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 8:43:04 AM   
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I think this thread is a wake-up call for me to focus more on the positive aspects of this community rather than the frustrations.  Hmmm maybe its time to go watch "The Secret" again!

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 9:31:26 AM   
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Well, let me start by saying yours is a profile I thoroughly enjoyed reading, sea.  It told me a great deal about you, what you enjoy and hope to find here, as well as what you might bring to a relationship.  Specifically; it led me to believe you are NOT a ‘do-me’ kinda guy.  And I happen to like that part a great deal.
 
Perhaps, being a male submissive, you have no idea the overwhelming number of one liner, sexually suggestive and ‘do me’ kinds of notes many women here receive.  Trust me, the vast majority of male submissives here seem unable to create a profile like yours and would benefit from some sort of check-list if only to add weight to their page of information.  Okay, I’ll admit, I’ve been told I have a list-fetish… but I see them as an expedient method of exchanging information.  Having said that…I’d prefer to read profiles like yours, but in that that doesn’t seem to be the case; lists work for me.
 
For example, if all the things one lists in their profile point to a bondage-only, sensual (read that sexual) kind of BDSM relationship or one charged with female supremacy…I am likely not to engage.  I may be cutting off my nose to spite my face, but from my experience such a man would not be ‘edgy’ enough for me; nor would one whose prose was full of similar nuances…or numerous typos and really bad sentence structure.   
 
Yes, I see play as win/win.  I like physically ‘torturing’ men…and prefer those who enjoy the physicality of hard play.  I see such play as a mutual exchange in and of itself…not something bought or paid for with some other ‘exchange’.  But, in the same way I see orally pleasing me as sexual…I see such play as inherently sexual and I want more to a relationship than just that.
 
Even with play partners; I want to like them and enjoy their company and include them in other aspects of my life than just what the BDSM dynamic has to offer. 
 
Perhaps that is what is my issue here; I just don’t play with anybody…I only beat my friends?
 
At any rate, it is for all those reasons that I enjoy learning as much as I can about someone here, before I go spending much time exchanging mail or meeting them for lunch.  I think, actually; it is much easier to meet at munches or through like-minded friends than online.  Here…we need some quick way to weed out the ones who we’ll never meet anyway.
 
Somebody was surprised that, since the beginning of the year, I have 15 pages of mail; mostly single-note, one liners from boys young enough to be my son or all the way across the country (and a good number from other countries) and nearly ALL sexual in tone.  I suspect what I’ve received is nothing compared to what younger Dommes receive; but it may help you understand what women are up against when…most male submissives have been here for years and have yet to move from page one of their inbox.
 
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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 1:40:29 PM   
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Femdom's just don't show much interest in the good questions....

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 6:54:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Femdom's just don't show much interest in the good questions....


I KNOW. You'd think with me & sea here trading pedicure tips, we could at least get some gratuitous queening details from the Ladies...

BUT NO............................................................................

Which reminds me.

Sea: I'm remodeling Mistress' bathroom.  Got any tips for how to solder copper pipes?  I'm getting pretty good results using some emory cloth to prep the surfaces to be joined and then applying a little acid-free flux on each piece. 

Wait, don't tell me.  YOUR Mistress has PVC plumbing (you lucky bastard)...

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 7:48:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pollux

quote:

ORIGINAL: cloudboy


Femdom's just don't show much interest in the good questions....


I KNOW. You'd think with me & sea here trading pedicure tips, we could at least get some gratuitous queening details from the Ladies...

BUT NO............................................................................

Which reminds me.

Sea: I'm remodeling Mistress' bathroom.  Got any tips for how to solder copper pipes?  I'm getting pretty good results using some emory cloth to prep the surfaces to be joined and then applying a little acid-free flux on each piece. 

Wait, don't tell me.  YOUR Mistress has PVC plumbing (you lucky bastard)...




If you don't get the answer you're looking for try the 'This Old House Hour' on PBS.

It's a start anyway.


Edited to add:  Thursday nights at 7:30pm CST.  Check your local listings. 



< Message edited by joyinslavery -- 4/30/2007 7:51:50 PM >


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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 7:54:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pollux
Sea: I'm remodeling Mistress' bathroom.  Got any tips for how to solder copper pipes?  I'm getting pretty good results using some emory cloth to prep the surfaces to be joined and then applying a little acid-free flux on each piece. 

Wait, don't tell me.  YOUR Mistress has PVC plumbing (you lucky bastard)...


Hi Pollux,

She (Mistress Wonder Woman) does indeed have PVC plumbing! She went that route because it amuses her to think her plumbing matches some of the items in her wardrobe. She gets latex band-aids for the same reason.

I have been a bit wary about soldering ever since that story broke about the leaks in plumbing in that police academy in Iraq. I would use duct tape instead. That way, your Mistress will be amused to think her plumbing matches items in her toybag.

;-)

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 8:13:51 PM   
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MsBearLee,

Thank you for the kind comments about my profile!

You are correct. While I have heard about the mail that dommes receive, I do not know what occurs in a domme's mailbox firsthand. I understand that it must be frustrating to receive countless emails of that sort.

I had two thoughts upon further reflecting on various posts in this thread.

Let's consider how a domme interested in a relationship feels when she encounters subs who are interested primarily in what she can do for them with respect to fetishes, and neglect what she offers as a person. And let's consider how a sub interested in a relationship feels when he encounters a domme interested primarily in what he can do for her with labor skills or money, and neglects what he offers as a person. I think the two feelings are similar in spirit. I sense this sentiment in posts by Joyinslavery earlier in this thread. I feel the same way to the extent such occurs unless I process and adjust my expectations accordingly.

The other thought upon further reflection is to see the middle ground between discussing skills and not. I see that how one feels about another is a complex mix of factors. Learning that a sub has a skill that is of particular interest to a domme helps the sub in this complex mix of how that domme feels about him.

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 8:56:06 PM   
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precious sea
I should be warned before posts as you have made...I almost spit green tea out my nostrils. Thank you for filling my wishes and letting me see the male sub point of view of pedicures.

Nintendo thumb indeed. I almost pissed myself.

Please do give thought to the fact that while I am ~asking~ what kinds of service you can provide, I am ~learning~ about you as the person - how you respond to questions, if you are eloquent, if you are long or short winded, are you humble or overly proud? I learn more from the first conversation and what the sub asks me than I do from their answers to many of my questions.

But that does remind me that in initial e-mails I should ask if they like going through caves, driving through animal parks where we feed animals by hand, riding roller coasters and playing at water parks, and photography.

~blows kisses~

~E

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 9:28:44 PM   
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Ah, that's sweet!!!!



Edited to add:  Can't spell ah (???). 





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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 4/30/2007 11:38:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pollux

That's cuz we're too busy over on the double-secret male sub NO DOMMES ALLOWED message board talking about y'all behind your backs.


You are right. I think we need a new guard. The thread got moved and I didn't even know until it was in its new location!

Cheers,

Sea

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 5/1/2007 3:12:41 AM   
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It has been an excellent thread.  I couldn't help but ask one boy who wrote Me recently if he had read it, because he had sent an email that was truely a cut above the rest.  It's a shame more of the subs haven't necessarily caught on to the idea that a lot of the clues are right there in front of them.
 
Oh, and on the sense of humor thing..... definitely.  I absolutely want someone I can laugh with!
 
I wonder how often it occurs to some of U/us in this lifestyle that the intense parts of it really only fill a certain number of hours a day.  Even in a certain mindset of one always being submissive to the Other, sooner or later, other topics of discussion are going to come up rather than just play or sex.  Maybe that's the idea of the other thread.

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 5/1/2007 6:15:43 AM   
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Sea,
 
Exactly!  In another post somewhere, I believe I made the same correlation between do-me subs and wannabe-dom/mes.  While I understand there ARE people out there who just wanna play, my interest in ‘this’ is bigger.  Like yours and so many others here on the boards, I live this.  So, my association with any sub is likely to be on a deeper, longer-lasting level; not as a playmate of the weekend.
 
Elorin said it most eloquently: 
 
quote:

ORIGINAL: Elorin
Please do give thought to the fact that while I am ~asking~ what kinds of service you can provide, I am ~learning~ about you as the person - how you respond to questions, if you are eloquent, if you are long or short winded, are you humble or overly proud? I learn more from the first conversation and what the sub asks me than I do from their answers to many of my questions.  

 
…and understand that while I’m asking such things, I’m also asking about gardening and music and fishing and camping and films and books and foods and cooking and…
 
Not only do I want to learn something of him, I want him to know something about me; what I find valuable and important in a relationship; because THAT would be what I was interested in building.
 
A most excellent thread...I hope it continues.  Perhaps we should throw in a piece about weight?    (OMG...sorry, that just slipped out!)
 
MsB

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 5/1/2007 6:22:08 AM   
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Actually, MsB, I just put a thread on another board with a similiar thought, but I threw it up under the Ask A Sub slot.  The question basically is, do the subs ever go and look at the posts made by Domme's to find out anything about them, rather than just rely on what is written on the profile?  Seems to Me that if they would take a look at some of the things that are posted, they would have an idea about common interests, kinks, etc.

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 5/1/2007 8:12:00 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pollux

I KNOW. You'd think with me & sea here trading pedicure tips, we could at least get some gratuitous queening details from the Ladies...



Here's one for pedicures, use 3 strokes of polish; one down the center and one on each side of it. 
 
Any more strokes of the brush and it tends to be too much polish, showing the brushmarks as well.  If 3 strokes isn't enough, then your polish is probably too thick and needs to either be replaced or thinned out. 
 
Oh, and don't forget to apply a clear top coat afterward!  I prefer the ones that help the polish dry more quickly as well.  Mistresses really get pissed when their polish rubs off and leaves marks on their toys or clothes.    


quote:



Which reminds me.

Sea: I'm remodeling Mistress' bathroom.  Got any tips for how to solder copper pipes?  I'm getting pretty good results using some emory cloth to prep the surfaces to be joined and then applying a little acid-free flux on each piece. 



That's an easy one.  Use a torch (candles don't get hot enough), and apply the heat away from the edge of the joint.  It causes the solder to be "sucked" inside the the coupling. 


quote:



Wait, don't tell me.  YOUR Mistress has PVC plumbing (you lucky bastard)...



Oooh, for his sake, I hope not!  Didn't you hear about the recalls that happened a few years back on PVC plumbing??    Except for drain lines, always use copper instead!
 
 - pixel


Edited for spelling errors


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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 5/1/2007 8:15:28 AM   
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ORIGINAL: GoddessDustyGold

Okay!!!  Please remember that I post with the view that I seek a slave and the M/s style of relationship. 
I will pick out, particularly, AAkasha's reference to struggles with the male pride/ego/humility in serving, and expand it to include the difficulties males have with moving away from the traditional societal norms.  Attitudes that are ingrained from birth.  How do you overcome that?
 
...with great difficulty and the need for continual re-booting so to speak---- and there seems to be regular slippage back to traditional male mode unfortunately.
 
  How hard was it to succeed in accepting your need to submit to a special woman in every single way there is.  How did you work your way through letting go and trusting that the FemDom you have chosen is intelligent and perfectly capable of making the final decisions. 
 
...have to know her so well over years and gain great respect for Her intellect and personhood--- so hard to do informally and quickly..... really supports the Sutton view of doing it in an already strong vanilla relationship like marriage, etc.
 
That it is okay for her to be "the man of the house" the one who wears the pants", with no recourse or ability to do more than have a discssion about your opinions or add your knowledge to the mix, but know that you might be overridden and that is just the way it is.
I see this discussion often happening with female submissives, but I do not see it from males.  I often wonder if this because a female as the submissive in a relationship is more traditional and many of those factors are already in place.  Therefore, when they find the right Dom, is is not as difficult to slip into a D/s or M/s relationship that might be a bit more strict than the norm these days, but is certainly much more socially acceptable and not, in the same way, threatening to their femininity. 
 
.....i 've noticed that also and believe You've hit on a fundamental difference between Male Dom and Female Domme relationships with the latter being more unnatural in our society= just more difficult to practically implement to all's satisfaction unfortunately.
 

So how about the threat to your masulinity?

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RE: Posts you'd love to see from male subs - 5/1/2007 8:30:10 AM   
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and during the formative years, the presence of nuns who were very much authoritative, yet caring.


......interesting as i had a similar exposure but had never made the connection there...

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