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"so I checked out the site. Unfortuately I got a pretty negative impression from the way it was written and from how it was structured, with "Mystress" as the "head trainer" and all the other dommes apparently as her underlings."
So you "checked out" the site, didn't like the window dressing, and didn't join to actually assess how it works? You just let the superficial impression form your strong opinion about a site you have never actually participated in. And you were just told by someone who (apparently) has participated in the site that the other dommes are not underlings, just that training is provided to those who want it, the same as many dom/mes offer here.
"I was taught by a Mistress of over 10yr of experience that as a slave or a sub i do have the right to question."
Dusty,
Are the dommes at MW the same person who taught you? Different people have different ways of doing things. As for asking questions, perhaps it was not asking questions, but the way it was done?
"Yes I know that when I come across in my emails sound like I am a pig male but if you would talk to me live and in person you would find out different."
This is very strange. Through emails you can take your time and edit messages, you can make them sound any way you want. Live and IP you do not have this editorial process. Do you really expect people to simply accept you are different in person? And that the difference is a positive one, despite the reduced thinking time? You do sound quite demanding, and i do not know how you got through the application process and paid money. From your posts here, if i was you i never would have paid, as the clearly spelt out service does not seem to match your needs.
"So as far as I am concern you where the ones that let me in and you are the ones that took my money and you are the one that contacted me. See in the real world you can tell who is real. "
No one took your money, you gave your money away. It does not matter who approached who, you were told everything straight up, and you decided to pay for something which apparently doesn't suit you. It's called buyers remorse and it is quite common. It is also quite common for those suffering buyers remorse to blame the seller. In fact it is human nature to try and blame someone else for one's own mistakes.
"Also looking at all the Mistress that you had and if you are so good why have they not stayed with you."
Because peoples life situations change? Because Dommes who went there for training or ideas may be ready to move on? Because Dommes who went there to find a sub, found one? Do you ask teachers why their students are no longer in school? Or tradesmen whose apprentices move on after training? You are looking for reason to blame your choices and actions on someone else, just be sure to wash the dummy before putting back in your mouth.
"how can they train 3 or 4 subs and the subs get what they need"
A teaching ratio of 1 : 3 or 1 : 4 is quite managable. Teachers often have to cope with 1 : 30, and that is just for one class.
"and if I am a pig male and you do not like pig males then refund my money back but that will never happen if it does I will let every one know you did the right thing. "
LOL, giving you a refund is what you want because of your buyers remorse, it is not the right thing to do. You were told what was involved. You were told what behaviour would not be tolerated. And you decided to pay the money anyway. You should have found a pro domme and paid her for live training if that what you wanted. Live and learn, and spend your money more wisely in the future. Take responibility for your own actions.
"and i disagree with you, i was in mystress world and all the lessons involved sex. being dominant is not controlling a mans penis,it first begins in the mind. being in any kind of bdsm relationship is not only sex,heck sometimes theres no sex at all. "
Um, that is pretty much what the website says.
As for what being dominant is, that varies. Many people here lack the intelligence to be dominate, but still call themselves dom/mes.
"It was very funny that the responce that I got back from them it seems to me that when they see that money speaks the loudest "
What was the response? If it was very funny, why not share it?
"Greetings,
I've read over your site and I have a few questions.
Do you think that all D/s realtionships between a woman Dominant and a male
slave have a sexual component? What exactly am I committing to by joing
your Domme Corp?
Thank you for your time in this matter. "
All D/s relationships do have a sexual component, even if sex is not involved. The tango has a sexual component, but you don't have sex during the dance. Perhaps just the last question would have sounded more like someone with a real interest rather than someone just checking out the site to assess it, as quickly as possible?
"here was their response ...
I didn't have to get past your email
address (username) to tell you to go
look for playmates and fantasy flights
somewhere else. "
What was your email address? The website says there are words and attitudes which are not wanted in MW, perhaps your email reflects this?
"and who made mystress the athority on judging what is real,playtime or fantasy?"
It is her site, so one would assume Mystress made herself the authority on her website. Why does this confuse and upset you? It is how nearly everyone operates their websites, they are a god on their site, you can set the rules on your website.
"d/s and bdsm is not just sex"
Which is clearly spelt out on the public section of the website.
"As such, perhaps you should quit speaking for her when not in her domain. "
LOL, chia is participating in this thread and speaking of his own personal experiences, he is not speaking for anyone but himself. However he has pointed out some very obvious points which any half intelligent person would have figured out all by themselves.
"Of course, if she feels her actions do not need defending .... then I wonder what exactly it is you are doing?? "
Of course she doesn't feel her actions need defending, which is why she is happily running her site. What chia is doing is participating in a discussion and answering the OP. How is this confusing you? (just in case, that was rhetorical, i understand your motivation quite well).
"i agree. if shes so sure of what shes teaching then let her defend it herself"
Calico,
You may want to read the OP and not the dummy spits. The OP was from a sub asking about information or experiences at MW. This thread was not started by someone promoting or defending MW. Your comment shows a lack of basic comprehension skills.
"by not doing so it looks like chia feels shes not able to do so and makes mystress look like shes hiding behind a man."
Again, a comprehension problem. What it looks like is chia saw this thread and participated in it. This has nothing to do with Mystress.
"and it was funny when I did write to mystress world that they are doing everything that they can to keep me."
So you say. Do you have an example of the great lengths they are going to to keep you? Did they give you your refund? What exactly is "everything they can"?
"It's one style of domination, or one aspect of domination. It isn't the be-all and end-all of domination"
"Sexual domination is valid, but it would be a bad mistake to assume that it's everything there is about D/s."
The MW website does explain this for perspective sub males, maybe it didn't spell it out clearly enough for the "dommes"?
"I personally don't go for the classic teasing, sexy, flirty femdom stereotype who is dominant because she is pretty and sexy and controls a man through his cock. My strength and dominance comes from who I am and my mastery of what I can achieve, not how much makeup I put on. I have chosen a path of self-mastery and discipline that emphasizes strength, competence, courage, compassion and chivalry. That is what makes me dominant. I strive in every aspect of my life to be a leader who is worthy of fealty, loyalty, obedience and submission, not to please or impress a man, but because I wish to better myself and actualize myself."
Sounds very familiar. Did you used to be at MW?
"you don't have to pay someone to humiliate you unless you're into that sort of thing"
Really? Many dommes on this website would disagree with you and would say one must pay simply to make contact with a domme.
"i never said it was the "end all, be all" of Domination."
chia,
You never said it. MW never said it. Only the people here with comprehension issue made that claim.
"Mytress World's website appears to be another lowlife scam. Period. Somehow, I highly suspect "Chia" and "Mytress World" to be one in the same. What a bunch of crap. I have to admit, it is an ingenious little scheme. I'm sure they will rake in the bucks for this one."
It is not an ingenious little scam at all, in fact if it is a scam it is needlessly complicated and time consuming. The initial outlay is negliable, and without major effort no one would pay a second installment. There are many more effective scams and straight methods of thieft to bother with this one.
As for chia being Mystress, well you'll have to decide for yourself, but as chia is a prolific poster you might want to read more before making snap judgements?
"It does however violate CM's terms of service since they are soliciting for money. When you get the email, just report them to CM for soliciting money and for violating CM's TOS and delete it. "
Did you get a message on CM asking for money? Or did you get an email asking you to check out a profile and/or website, and there you found a choice to join a pay site, or not join?
Pyrrsefanie,
You appear to have skimmed over messages instead of reading them. Sorry, you CLEARLY have not read this thread. For example Mystress is a name, it is not mispelt at all.
"and Dusty, I must stress that it is not wise to allow him or anyone else to beg/plead/cajole you into staying if you are not happy and it is not meeting your expectations of what you wanted in the first place. "
OK, even i am now amazed at the complete lack of reading and comprehension skills here. chia has not tried to beg/plead or cajole Dusty into staying at MW, in fact chia has said repeatedly that if MW is not the place for Dusty then he should move on. Your brilliant, protective insight is nothing but an echo of chia's own words.
"I spoke to a sub a while ago who had joined the site. He was ripped off quite badly and, as someone else pointed out, for all he knew it could have been a 7 foot, hairy arsed truckie who was giving him orders and asking for money for this n that. He was required to pay for a piece of ribbon with his "name", which was sarah, teehee, on a dog bone shaped piece of plastic. He was required to tie it around his dick and send the picture to his "mistress"."
I have seen all kinds of "tasks" from dom/mes, this does not seem unusual at all. As for being ripped off, did he get exactly what he was told he would get, or was there some deception? The website actually says that if you think it is a scam or if you have any concerns or doubts, DON'T PAY. You can't get much clearer than that.
"Then i thought to myself, they wanted my real $$ but they where offering an online service of which i suppose i can get it elsewhere for free..... So i quickly took the exit without all the rest and was asked to keep it secret. "
Really? You were asked to keep it a secret? Even though all the info is on a public website? Not much of a secret to keep. Also the website does say that if getting things for free was a primary concern then you should move on. You didn't avoid a scam, you followed the advice on the website.
"Ooooh, and it looks like Chia only retaliates so viciously because he has a problem handling the truth! "
Try learning to read. You will find the mindless, vicious attack on chia started first. Whether you like MW or not, whether you think it is a scam or not, this should not effect your ability to follow a thread on an internet forum.
"crying that the people on the intarnet are being mean again! "
Mean? Ignorant and childish might be trying at times, but it's a long way from mean.
"Pyrrsefanie (in her post beginning "Couple things strike me here") said just about everything I was about to write. Read her words and please consider them. She speaks much wisdom"
ElanSubdued,
Pyrrsefanie made comments which indicate she cannot read and has the comprehension skills of a ten year old. The only "wisdom" she offered was to repeat chia's words and the advice on the MW website.
"If I wanted "financial domination" I could just send my money to the Nigerians and jerk myself off. "
Or join a paid porn site and jerk yourself off. Or pay a prodomme and jerk yourself off. Or buy a DVD and jerk yourself off. You are right, there are many ways to jerk yourself off.
"So basically you can't handle the fact that people are disagreeing with you,"
No, I think chia's problem is with peoples reading and comprehension skills. You are disagreeing, but you are doing it from a position of pure ignorance. So not so much disagreeing as chucking a tanty.
"The age of a post does not make it any less relevant. "
No, but it does mean people have had plenty of time to try reading it, and get help if they can't.
" The site seems completely concerned with sex as opposed to BDSM relationship dynamics."
You don't seem to have read it at all.
"This is a pay site that carelessly and unethically attempts to deceive people into thinking it is a free, community site. Ethical professionals state their services and fees up front, not in the fine print. "
MW does not pretend to be a free site at all. It states several times that it is not free. I'm not sure how you could arrive at this opinion? MW is very up front about what is offered, and what is not.
"Based on all of this, I am warning the OP to be wary of this site. "
You are a bit slow. The site already did this when the person from the OP first looked at the site. Then he was warned several times before he could send any money. The problem with the opening poster is called buyers remorse. He was not ripped off. He was not tricked.
"spelling mistake per *her* handle)"
As it is a name, not the word mistress, it is not a spelling mistake. Your spelling nazi dummy spit merely highlights your own ignorance, and lack of character.
"but I was merely stating that your profile doesn't seem to fit the side of you that you're showing right now. I will say, however, that this is the same public behavior I'm currently working to break my boy of -- throwing temper tantrums and resorting to name-calling when he doesn't get his way."
LOL. This is pointless as you have already proven you cannot read, but....Try reading the entire thread. You will see chia's initial participation was quite subdued and respectful. It took quite a few attacks, tanties and a lot of ignorance to change that.
"Now, believe what you'd like to believe about my character or my personality"
It is not a matter of belief, you have shown you lack of character to everyone by your own actions.
"That said, you've been rude to everyone in this thread who doesn't share your views."
Reread the entire thread. chia was quite respectful for longer than necessary.
"Likewise, seemingly, you've behaved in an extremely intolerant, close-minded fashion"
LOL. chia has given his experiences, and advocated people finding what suits them. This is much more tolerant and open minded than the majority of posters in this thread.
"One of the ways I use my free choice is to call out scams."
You have not done that here. In fact no one here has shown MW to be a scam in any way. Buyers remorse and "Not my Kink" seem to be the biggest points against MW. As for the warnings about spending money, the MW website does this more than the combined efforts of everyone in this thread. Hard to be a scam when you openly tell people exactly what they will get, how much it will cost, and not to pay if they have any doubts or concerns. That is better treatment than you will get from many retail shops.
"The cost is explained in the fine print and this is done very ambiguously "
It is spelt out quite clearly, not in fine print at all. And if you ask for more info, you are told several times what is involved.
" Nowhere does the site describe it's actual costs and features in a clear, easy to access fashion."
It is quite clear what is offered and expected. And if you ask for more information it is spelt out even clearer, so clear that i think even the people in this thread could follow it.
"More importantly, the site asks for personal information before disclosing any features which, in itself, is enough for me to be wary and to warn others."
Very little personal information, and your warning would be very helpful, if the website didn't already take care of that.
"Nobody in this thread is accusing you of anything (save for myself saying you were rude in some of your replies). The "Nigerian" and other slants aimed at you are tongue in cheek, and not meant to be taken seriously. "
You are kidding ElanSubdued. If those attacks were tongue in cheek, then some people need to go back to primary school and learn the difference between humour and bullying.
"As for your replies to Wickad, Pyrrsefanie, and others, if I may suggest, again, take a break from the thread and once you're feeling cooler, you may want to come back and apologize. "
While it is true time might give chia a cooler head, he is not the one who needs to apologize. The ingorance and lack of comprehension skills in this thread would frustrate anyone. I would suggest you reread the entire thread, and take a good long look at all the posts.
"I can't help it, I have an almost crippling urge to correct every mistake I see when it comes to the English language. "
Not at all surprising. Most spelling nazis act that way to compensate for weaknesses in other areas, especially in comprehension.
"If after one month you don't feel like it's working out in the way you wanted (either because you or they didn't put in the effort) then just don't renew your membership. But we find it takes an effort on the slaves part and not just the Mistresses."
Excellent point.
"If you're seeking someone who wants an online sub, I suppose a site like that would be perfect. Those of us who want someone RT probably have no taste for such a thing. "
If you are seeking real time and consider a site like MW a waste of time, what are you doing here? I mean besides for a quick one off play session. Surely you communicate online to find a prospective sub? Take time to get to know them, maybe give them some tasks to test their commitment? MW seems to offer a lot of the same experiences CM offers.
"In ways such as this, the net has done a great bit of damage. To give only a portion of what might be obtained. "
The portion the internet gives is often much bigger than people could have received without the internet. Especially for those who do not live in cities. And like all entrees, this portion wets the appetite and encourages one onto the main meal.
"So, am I to understand that this site "trains" women to "train" the subs that are PAYING money to be on the site....isn't that like pimping out Dommes? Or training them for a job in which they are not getting paid, but paying to train boys for "mystress"?...So she gets to sit on her ass while I deal with her charges, and collect money to think up drivel like "pig male"....can I just cut her out of the deal as the middle man..? .I will call you "pig male" until the cows come home for whatever "tribute" your giving her, hell, I'll even let you scrub my kitchen floor! "
No, you are not understanding at all.
"First rule of any online presence:
Look at the site design/layout. The crappy/scam sites look VERY cheap & shoddy "
So do just about all the homemade ones. From an artists perspective, much of what people present to the world is cheap and shoddy, even among those who pay for their image.
"Second rule:
Check for errors - Legit websites will pay a coder to design it. If She is too lazy "
Let's be consistent shall we? Are you talking about legitimacy or laziness? Also you may be surprised at how many websites are "homemade", no one being paid to make them. It's not brain surgery.
"if you want to be dominated move away from your computer - go out and find someone real."
Good idea. Though for some people the pickings are slim. And there are many people who think they are dominant, when they most definitely are not.
"I had an invitation from MystressWorld some time ago. The tone of the various emails rang alarm bells: they dwelt too much on how 'special' I was to be 'chosen'. It's a shame that MystressWorld isn't apparently aware that that's a trick so often used by con artists. "
WOW, things must have really changed. "Check out my profile if you want", and "contact me/visit website if you are interested". Didn't make me feel too special.
So after all that, the only intelligent responses echo the websites own advice and/or recommend it.
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