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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/3/2007 6:02:42 PM   
GoddessDustyGold


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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Just as defining all Islam as extremists that wish us death is also lumping all of a certain group of people together. I agree... lumping bad...


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There is no validity here.  I am very much a Christian, I rarely go to
church but last time I checked "churches" are not GOD.
Anyone that invests a lot of time mocking or slandering Christians,
will probably reap what they do sow


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Could you please tell me where I said all Christians are bad or mocked them? In fact on other threads I have defended people who believe in God, just do not care for extremists, even those who purport to be "Christian"


Technically speaking Julia, you didn't.  And "mocking" is one of your strong suits.  Many see, very clearly, that you are almost hysterical regarding regarding Christianity, and you often bring up these "extremists" as a threat and something that you fight all the time.  If they are not dangerous, in your mind, especially in regard to the political influence you are sure they wield, then I would want to know why you are so rabid on the subject.
I would also remind that nobody said "all of Islam" are extremists.  But it seems that the influence is definitely on that side, and thus, it seems logical that we should carefully heed these words and plan accordingly.  You seem to plan accordingly with regard to the Christian (or Religious Right) threat, wherein you deem that the influence is certainly on the side of the extremists.   
Here ya go...right in this same thread.  I didn't even have to search other threads...
 
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Now I do not need to make shit up... everyone knows what freaks the Religious Right are, and if you are going to sit there and play ostrich, fine... but in my opinion that looks just plain silly. It is common knowledge that these people are loons

 
You are the one who brought up the comparison and brought  the Christian thing into this discussion in the first place.  By consensus, Religious Right translates as  "Christian".  There must be an awful lot of Christian extremists/Christian freaks/Christian loons  out there, by your definition, since they are the ones, according to the law of Julia, who are casuing most of the problems in the USA.   
I am amazed at how often you deny your emotional tone and what you imply, by falling back on the "I didn't say that" defense.  I should no longer be surprised, yet I continue to try to give you more credit than that. 
"kill Jews and Americans 'to the very last one' ".  Although I think that these words  (OP) deserve close attention, I am agreeing with TheRanger.  Pointing out the "petty ass bickering" may not be strong enough!  . 

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/3/2007 7:53:58 PM   
Sinergy


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You are welcome... though I'm not sure why you consider it necessary to brag.



I was a bit puzzled why you felt the need to bring it up in your post, but I was simply
being neighborly.

If you dont want to know the answer, please try to control yourself and not ask the question.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/3/2007 8:06:18 PM   
juliaoceania


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Technically speaking Julia, you didn't.  And "mocking" is one of your strong suits.
 
You know, time after time you follow me around and mock me,... pot kettle black

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Many see, very clearly, that you are almost hysterical regarding regarding Christianity, and you often bring up these "extremists" as a threat and something that you fight all the time.  If they are not dangerous, in your mind, especially in regard to the political influence you are sure they wield, then I would want to know why you are so rabid on the subject.


 
There are a few Christians that terrify me, namely Pat Robertson, Tom Delay, you know, those who want Christianity to be our national religion. Now I just want to be free to ride my machine and not be hassled by extremists. Now you can interpret my emotional state to be whatever you like, really I think that is more about you than about me. Many that are Atheists on this site would differ with this characterization of me... humorous really.

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I would also remind that nobody said "all of Islam" are extremists.  But it seems that the influence is definitely on that side, and thus, it seems logical that we should carefully heed these words and plan accordingly.  You seem to plan accordingly with regard to the Christian (or Religious Right) threat, wherein you deem that the influence is certainly on the side of the extremists.   
Here ya go...right in this same thread.  I didn't even have to search other threads

 
I do not know what this means, please clarify? Or perhaps this was just more nastiness

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You are the one who brought up the comparison and brought  the Christian thing into this discussion in the first place.  By consensus, Religious Right translates as  "Christian".  There must be an awful lot of Christian extremists/Christian freaks/Christian loons  out there, by your definition, since they are the ones, according to the law of Julia, who are casuing most of the problems in the USA.   


 
You know, not all Christians are in the Religious Hardcore Christian Coalition Right that is controlling the agenda of our political discourse right now. Most Christians that I know (having been raised this way I know plenty let me tell ya!) would want to be identified with those sorts... I think that was why I pointed out those quotes, because I do not think that people should fear an entire group of people based on the lunatic fringe of that group.

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I am amazed at how often you deny your emotional tone and what you imply, by falling back on the "I didn't say that" defense.  I should no longer be surprised, yet I continue to try to give you more credit than that. 
"kill Jews and Americans 'to the very last one' ".  Although I think that these words  (OP) deserve close attention, I am agreeing with TheRanger.  Pointing out the "petty ass bickering" may not be strong enough!  . 

 
I find your flames to be rather petty, nasty, and beneath me to reply to. I have made a choice in my life, to not discuss with people hell bent at personal attacks instead of addressing ideas...  congratulations, you just made the list!

(btw, if you do a search on my name and "religion" I think you would see how stupid this post is in trying to paint me as anti- "christian". I have stood up for religious people many times on CM. Open mouth insert foot dusty)

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/3/2007 9:45:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

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Technically speaking Julia, you didn't.  And "mocking" is one of your strong suits.

You know, time after time you follow me around and mock me,... pot kettle black


Dusty,

That's two of her common techniques to avoid responsibility for her own words: accusing anyone who disagrees with her more than once as "stalking" her (she's tried it on me before) in an attempt at silencing you through intimidation, and the technique of calling "pot kettle black". 

As far as the "pot kettle black" comment, at least she's admitting that you are right.

Now, I'd better get out of here before she reports me - again - to (the eminently fair and considerate ) Mod11 for "being nasty" as she tries another one of her techniques of intimidation to silence anyone who disagrees with her.

FirmKY


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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/3/2007 11:05:03 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Umm, people, didn't we resolve this about three pages ago?  The info she posted wasn't fabricated.  End of story.  Maybe we can move onto something else instead of "So-and-so's annoying forum-writing habits"?  Because writing about someone's annoying forum-writing habits is a pretty annoying habit in itself.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/3/2007 11:43:47 PM   
FirmhandKY


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Maybe we can move onto something else instead of "So-and-so's annoying forum-writing habits"?  Because writing about someone's annoying forum-writing habits is a pretty annoying habit in itself.


True, LaM, please forgive me. 

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 12:06:57 AM   
DarkDreams123


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What I find truely amazing is that anyone would defend, or at least not condemn anyone calling for genocide: especially since this person was a government official. I know that politicians of any stripe say a lot of stupid things, but calling for murder????

Anyone who condones murder is just wrong, period.

Don't compare them to someone else, it isn't relevant. Don't say that someone else is worse or better. It doesn't matter. Murder is wrong, people. Words do matter.

I'm surprised at you.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 4:47:17 AM   
asubmissiveheart


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Status: offline 		I agree, I don't know how or why Christians were even brought up.
I see very little on this thread about the original topic.
Oh..It was about killing jews and Americans.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 4:49:01 AM   
farglebargle


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Status: offline 		The point of Christians being added into the mix was to illustrate that there are extremists hiding everywhere.

e.g.: The Olympic Bomber, Eric Rudolph.

But I still think the lesson here is that you ignore the extremists rants, and shoot them dead when they attack you.



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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 6:05:41 AM   
caitlyn


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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster
Umm, people, didn't we resolve this about three pages ago?  The info she posted wasn't fabricated.  End of story.  Maybe we can move onto something else instead of "So-and-so's annoying forum-writing habits"?  Because writing about someone's annoying forum-writing habits is a pretty annoying habit in itself.


Excellent response.
 
Truth be told ... I'm just annoyed that some see julia as more annoying than me ... when everyone knows I'm far more annoying than her.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 7:38:38 AM   
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What I find truly amazing is that anyone would defend, or at least not condemn anyone calling for genocide: especially since this person was a government official. I know that politicians of any stripe say a lot of stupid things, but calling for murder????


Dark,
Well that isn't the tactic being used. Introducing the Christian aspect serves to create tangent distraction. By doing so they can avoid answering the question and focusing on the issue. So what if the quotes are real from "real Christians". None are currently elected government representatives; the OP quoted a person who is.

I guess in a round about way they are condemning the quote. Comparing it to Christian or 'right wing' people that they condemn, they are condemning the OP in the comparison. In an indirect way, they are agreeing. However where a religious or right wing person speaks what they say is rhetoric. When a political leader speaks it is government policy. That seems to be a difference they refuse to address.

Obviously there is a need to present a distractive argument when you have no other response. 

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 8:10:14 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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What I find truly amazing is that anyone would defend, or at least not condemn anyone calling for genocide: especially since this person was a government official. I know that politicians of any stripe say a lot of stupid things, but calling for murder????


Dark,
Well that isn't the tactic being used. Introducing the Christian aspect serves to create tangent distraction. By doing so they can avoid answering the question and focusing on the issue. So what if the quotes are real from "real Christians". None are currently elected government representatives; the OP quoted a person who is.

I guess in a round about way they are condemning the quote. Comparing it to Christian or 'right wing' people that they condemn, they are condemning the OP in the comparison. In an indirect way, they are agreeing. However where a religious or right wing person speaks what they say is rhetoric. When a political leader speaks it is government policy. That seems to be a difference they refuse to address.

Obviously there is a need to present a distractive argument when you have no other response. 


I don't believe that killing Americans and Jews is the "governments policy."....It is his opinion.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 8:30:27 AM   
juliaoceania


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Now, I'd better get out of here before she reports me - again - to (the eminently fair and considerate ) Mod11 for "being nasty" as she tries another one of her techniques of intimidation to silence anyone who disagrees with her.


It never ceases to amaze me that some people cannot take responsibility for what they do, so it has to be "someone else's fault". If you have had run ins with the mods on this board because of me, I can assure you, you brought them all upon yourself. Personally, I take responsibility for my own reality, and if I ever get warnings from the mods, I know whose fault that is - my own. Personal responsibility is a concept many preach, but few are able to live.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 8:38:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth

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What I find truly amazing is that anyone would defend, or at least not condemn anyone calling for genocide: especially since this person was a government official. I know that politicians of any stripe say a lot of stupid things, but calling for murder????


Dark,
Well that isn't the tactic being used. Introducing the Christian aspect serves to create tangent distraction. By doing so they can avoid answering the question and focusing on the issue. So what if the quotes are real from "real Christians". None are currently elected government representatives; the OP quoted a person who is.

I guess in a round about way they are condemning the quote. Comparing it to Christian or 'right wing' people that they condemn, they are condemning the OP in the comparison. In an indirect way, they are agreeing. However where a religious or right wing person speaks what they say is rhetoric. When a political leader speaks it is government policy. That seems to be a difference they refuse to address.

Obviously there is a need to present a distractive argument when you have no other response. 


Merc, there is one factor in all this that people seem to miss. While there is the odd elected Palestinian representative that calls for the anniliation of the Jews and Americans, to view such statements in isolation is to willfully misrepresent the situation. Israel with the aid of American money and arms ARE killing and ethnically cleansing Palestinians. On a dailly basis Israel is commiting what America calls in other theatres 'human rights abuses and crimes against humanity'.

If you and your family were robbed of their homes and shepherded into reservations or had your home bulldozed or having to face incoming shells on a dailly basis, you too would be calling for the annihilation of your oppressor. Look at the ratio between Palestinian deaths and Israeli deaths, it is not difficult to see who iskilling who. Look how Israelis have encrouched on Palestinian land and redirected the available water to their settlements and away from Palestinian settlements and all with a nod and a wink from the American government. Don't tell me that you would say that it was just tough for you and grit your teeth and get on with your life, eiking out a living the best way you can with ever diminishing resources. If you do, I won't believe you.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 9:38:17 AM   
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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 9:51:57 AM   
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We need to get Julia a date with Jerry Falwell!


I think he would prefer a nun type catholic school boy fantasy where he would be struck with a ruler repeatedly until he was forced to confess his sins...thanks popeye, that just made my mind go somewhere ugly vile, and now I will just sit and cry until I exercise that image from my mind

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 9:53:58 AM   
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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 10:14:03 AM   
juliaoceania


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Am I understand this right ... did julia actually turn you in to a moderator?


Why not ask me this question?

I did not turn him into anyone.

I have only emailed mod 11 once about any poster on this board, and that was because he was making racial comments to me about being white and disparging comments about my body which I felt were sexually harassing. Other than that, if anyone has ever received an email from the mod because they made a comment to me, they really need to look into the mirror as to why that happened.

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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 10:16:42 AM   
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RE: "... kill Jews and Americans "to the very... - 5/4/2007 3:05:12 PM   
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