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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 4:08:32 PM   
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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 4:09:01 PM   
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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 4:16:42 PM   
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You know. I thought I would like to join the online community. Was wondering about a few things and thought I would look around and ask some questions. But if the wolfpack descends like this on newbie who wanders in here like this and asks something....then I guess I will take my troll-like ignorance somewhere else.

Thanks for the schooling. Not the ignorant comments on my personal sexuality. Not the nasty name calling. Not the arrogant tone. Not the pack mentality. But the schooling...this place ain't nice. That's what I learned.


Well, poor, poor you.  If you thought your question wasn't offensive, why didn't you ask it in the real time community?  Was it because you knew it wouldn't be taken well and then people could rip you a new one to your face?

To answer your question, no, not all sub males are closet gays.  No, not all cucks are bi.  Some cucks enjoy the sexual interaction with another male and others do it because they are in dynamics where obedience about the situation is expected.  For the record, not all cucks are made to interact with the other male at all.  It's based more on the service the cuck provides to the woman in getting her ready for her "date", sometimes emotional sadism can be included, or it's just the right of the woman as the Owner of the male to have multiple partners while she either does or does not allow him sexual pleasure.  Not everybody is necessarily a fluffer or a cream pie boy.

I've been fortunate enough to have male subs that were bi and others who were straight.  Both are fun in their own way when it comes to these things.  Perhaps when you do actually want to learn something about it, rather than make sweeping generalizations due to the lack of a sub in your life, you might want to research how a kink can work for various people.


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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 4:19:19 PM   
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Thanks for the schooling. Not the ignorant comments on my personal sexuality. Not the nasty name calling. Not the arrogant tone. Not the pack mentality. But the schooling...this place ain't nice. That's what I learned.


In all fairness i'm going to tell you what i suspect is the real issue. Have you ever taken into consideration the men you're attracted to? i can't fathom anyone consistently finding gay men that didn't intentionally seek them. Now i'm willing to confess that i love metrosexual men. i know that's not the majority and i'll have GQ over rugged any day. The latter need never look my way.

However, if i'm sincerely honest Mister GQ will have certain nuances that are more in line with behaviors that aren't always heterosexual. Not only in his attention to his personal upkeep and clothing, but there are other tell tale signs that might invite a bit of sexual exploration. i was pretty oblivious to this in the past, but it's hard for me to ignore. i had to accept that since i adore handsome men, it's probable that he's be bisexual or at the very least open to that. Why?

Because i choose to get involved with men that place a big emphasis on aesthetics in a manner that most do not! It goes with the territory. So have a look see at your recent choices and compare them. You may discover a thing or two that slipped your attention until now.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 4:24:12 PM   
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Some submissive men are gay, some of those who are gay are still in the closet; BUT, some submissive men are NOT gay.


My opinion would be no, but most subs/slaves fantasise about being forced to do something they find abhorrent and degrading, and to most men being forced into a bi relationship ticks all the boxes. Myself? It's something i fantasise about, but in reality would never agree to. But then that might just mean I am a closet gay who just needs a gentle, or not so gentle shove in the right direction.

So I think it's a bit like the chicken and the egg.


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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 4:37:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

Some submissive men are gay, some of those who are gay are still in the closet; BUT, some submissive men are NOT gay.


My opinion would be no, but most subs/slaves fantasise about being forced to do something they find abhorrent and degrading, and to most men being forced into a bi relationship ticks all the boxes. Myself? It's something i fantasise about, but in reality would never agree to. But then that might just mean I am a closet gay who just needs a gentle, or not so gentle shove in the right direction.

So I think it's a bit like the chicken and the egg.




Thank you for your thoughtful answer to my post.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 4:40:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, I think I do attract a certain type of man. They tend to be small of stature. Slight. Often seeking a mommy figure. So, I think you are right. I think I must do something or say something that calls out to these men.

So..I will pay attention to my audience.

Thank you.

Sorry, this was in response to this post:

In all fairness i'm going to tell you what i suspect is the real issue. Have you ever taken into consideration the men you're attracted to?


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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 4:52:28 PM   
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Especially cucks. It seems like many sub men want me to force them to crossdress or do bi stuff. Now, I am way into forced bi. But the forced bi kinda loses its appeal when it is not forced but begged for.

So, what do you think? is there a way to post a poll on here?



I dont get this. You are way into forced bi, but not when its begged for ? I can understand the "forced" concept as role play but that would be consent. Wouldnt that otherwise be classed as abuse ?

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:04:41 PM   
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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:09:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am submissive all the way.I am also straight all the way too.I am into Women only.I have nothing against gay people but it is not my thing.I am sure there are alot of male submissives who are into Women only.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:17:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Whoa, what a generalization OP. Why are you accusing people of being wolves when you are dangling offensive bait in front of them? Do you really see nothing wrong with your question? Honestly? Let's try an experiment of switching out the underlined words....

"Are sub Germans (insert any race here) just closet gays?"
"Are sub women (transexuals, any gender orientation etc) just closet gays?"
"Are sub men just closet cooks (fashionistas, hunters, bicyclers, any type of activity here)?

OP, you really don't see the offense in lumping together large groups of people based on a trait or characteristic?

For the record, no, I do not think all sub men are closet gays. I do not think cucks are closet gays either. I'm also sure that there are some sub men and cucks that are closet gays. Human beings come in every flavor.

I knew a man with a strong desire to have his wife bring home other men. He was straight- no interest in other men. I wouldn't be surprised if he has acted on this, he truly wanted it. He is very masculine and a Dominant. I've spoken to other very straight men who thought the cuckold fantasy was hot- not sure if they ever acted on it or not but they were certainly open to it. I really think it comes down to yourself and what you are seeking as Porcelaine has mentioned. The common denominator here is yourself after all.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:20:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		When I change my "search" fields from "gay male slaves in Colo." to "bi male slaves in Colo." I get almost exclusivley cucks, cross-dressers, and sissy-boys. What's up with that?  The "straight male slaves" whose names are called out above are NOT closet gays AFAIK.
 
I agree that maybe limit your contacts (in both directions) to "straight male subs" and "straight male slaves." After all, that is what you want to find, isn't it?  Then filter by reading their profiles for cuckold'ing - actually, you can add that to search also.
 
Plenty of cuckolds do NOT want the sexual aspects whether forced or not.
 
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I've "helped" a couple of bi-curious men become less "curious."  Gay?  NO way!
 
Assuming that a cock-sucker is gay is "buying into" the whole "You learn homosexuality" (And its horrible, nasty little brother "Gays can be healed.")

I think these implications of your OP are what got you the "reception" you did.
 
THANKS! for "sticking around."  Many new-bies get the same reception for their same un-tutored questions and they RUN, never to be seen again.  You, however, took the time to sort the wheat from the shit, and realized we're pretty good at heart..... sometimes we've seen the same questions over and over..... and some get impatient.  Me, I'm patient to a fault.... one time, my patience got me strangled until near-dead, but that's a whole 'nuther story.
 
That all said - Welcome to the forums! 
 
P.S.  Polls are only available in the "Polls" forum.                 

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:26:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: lizi

Whoa, what a generalization OP. Why are you accusing people of being wolves when you are dangling offensive bait in front of them? Do you really see nothing wrong with your question? Honestly? Let's try an experiment of switching out the underlined words....

"Are sub Germans (insert any race here) just closet gays?"
"Are sub women (transexuals, any gender orientation etc) just closet gays?"
"Are sub men just closet cooks (fashionistas, hunters, bicyclers, any type of activity here)?

OP, you really don't see the offense in lumping together large groups of people based on a trait or characteristic?

For the record, no, I do not think all sub men are closet gays. I do not think cucks are closet gays either. I'm also sure that there are some sub men and cucks that are closet gays. Human beings come in every flavor.

I knew a man with a strong desire to have his wife bring home other men. He was straight- no interest in other men. I wouldn't be surprised if he has acted on this, he truly wanted it. He is very masculine and a Dominant. I've spoken to other very straight men who thought the cuckold fantasy was hot- not sure if they ever acted on it or not but they were certainly open to it. I really think it comes down to yourself and what you are seeking as Porcelaine has mentioned. The common denominator here is yourself after all.


I never said all men. Do bears shit in the woods? Only SOME bears do. Some bears shit in the circus tent. Some bears shit in the zoo.



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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:28:37 PM   
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When I change my "search" fields from "gay male slaves in Colo." to "bi male slaves in Colo." I get almost exclusivley cucks, cross-dressers, and sissy-boys. What's up with that?  The "straight male slaves" whose names are called out above are NOT closet gays AFAIK.
                


I search bisexual. I wish heteroflexible was a choice here. Thanks for the attagirl, but after this thread calms down I will not be posting another one. BDSM people are whack, easily angered, and lack the ability to see nuance.


OMG bwa ha ha ha. I really do crack me up.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:34:09 PM   
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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:39:23 PM   
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Yes, I think I do attract a certain type of man. They tend to be small of stature. Slight. Often seeking a mommy figure. So, I think you are right. I think I must do something or say something that calls out to these men.

So..I will pay attention to my audience.
Thank you.


You're welcome. i think the problem comes down to how the individual chooses to self identify. i know i have spoken to men that label themselves straight that are anything but! However, he may feel that certain encounters don't support a different description or perhaps he isn't at the point of accepting it at all. While one would hope that people were forthcoming about these things, it's our responsibility to perform due diligence whenever possible. i ask many questions to ascertain where he stands on the issue concerning other men. And in the course of doing so i've discovered many straight shooters with wicked curves.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:40:48 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lockit

ROFL... yes, that is it... I've lost my mind.





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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:42:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SSBBWPam

You know. I thought I would like to join the online community. Was wondering about a few things and thought I would look around and ask some questions. But if the wolfpack descends like this on newbie who wanders in here like this and asks something....then I guess I will take my troll-like ignorance somewhere else.

Thanks for the schooling. Not the ignorant comments on my personal sexuality. Not the nasty name calling. Not the arrogant tone. Not the pack mentality. But the schooling...this place ain't nice. That's what I learned.




Well, we get our fair share of trolls, and people who have devoted their years in Mummy's basement to figuring out exactly how this WIITWD is supposed to work, and have come to enlighten us. I'd suggest narrowing your question, and thread title on your next effort... Unless this was intended as a troll, in which case, nicely done!



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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:49:56 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SSBBWPam

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes

When I change my "search" fields from "gay male slaves in Colo." to "bi male slaves in Colo."
I get almost exclusivley cucks, cross-dressers, and sissy-boys. What's up with that?  The "straight male slaves" 
whose names are called out above are NOT closet gays AFAIK.
                


I search bisexual. I wish heteroflexible was a choice here. Thanks for the attagirl, but after this thread
calms down I will not be posting another one. BDSM people are whack, easily angered, and lack the ability
to see nuance.


OMG bwa ha ha ha. I really do crack me up.


Your first post here was an assumption that, since you cant find the submissive man of
your dreams, they all must be gay. Then you further insult the community on a whole,
and one in which you say you wish to be a part of. Wierd.

There is a neat little feature on this site that allows anyone to click on a profile on the
other side, and read their forum posts. I have a feeling these opinions of yours are only
serving to decrease the amount of men that would take interest in you.
You aren't the only one that is laughing at you.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/10/2011 5:52:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		In answer to the OP, no, sub men are not just closet gays. Some may be, but not all.

Polls can be posted in the "Polls and Other Random Stupidity" forum.

The variations and permutations of the human personality, the affinities of each person, the orientations of every individual are almost limitless. Sissy submissive males may be openly gay, closeted gay, in denial gay, bi or, quite simply, heterosexual. I'm sure there are other considerations within this realm I haven't mentioned. The point is, generalization generally doesn't have a home here, within the kink community.

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