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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/28/2011 10:48:38 AM

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Popeye -
Am I to understand that you think that everything a submissive person does in response to an order is in fact something that they secretly desire to do?

sunshine

No.
I was answering the question in the title of this thread; "Are Sub Men Just Closet Gays." My answer is "yes", what's yours?
You need to understand that Dominant men who have a degree of sadism in them view submissive men as somewhat "lesser" creatures in the heirarchy of BDSM.
I'd never "hang out" with a sub male. We have nothing in common.

It -is- hard to find commonality with a closed mind...

That said, I have several good friends who are Dominant Males, and I have to say that in my three years involved in my local BDSM community (and several Thunder events, and meeting several Dom's from other parts of the country), I have never encountered that attitude from -any- of the Dominant Men I have met.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/28/2011 3:37:01 PM

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OK, to be serious:

I did, once, have this little hypothesis knocking about in my head that all gays were submissive types. This came from watching natural history programmes on the telly and seeing various mammals, in particular, presenting their arses to the lead males as a way of 'appeasing' them. The theory proposed in such programmes was that the lead animal, the big chief male, would then have his fornicatory instincts in some way stimulated rather than his attack instincts. This mass arse-presenting happened, I noticed, particularly after a battle for leadership: the other males had to show that they recognised the (new) leader and that they weren't contesting his place at the top of the pack.

Interesting.

From that, I began to think that gay humans might be similar: that they were in fact submissive first and homosexual second. In other words, versus the OP: gay men were closet subs.

But a number of things made me give up on the idea. One was that this didn't account for dominant gay men, nor even gay men who prefer to give rather than receive. It also didn't account for gay females; nor gay males who've never had any inclination towards women. Most of all, though, it went from the presumption that other people were like me - which, apparently, they're not. Whatever bi inclinations I have in me work that way, for sure - but it's clear that they don't for many other malesubs who have bi-inclinations.

I used to enjoy my little hypotheses, when I was a kid. Fond memories. Now that I've grown up, however, I find that I prefer wanking and bonking.

I hope that helps.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/29/2011 6:06:20 AM

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So this post is still going on? Maybe what someone said, says it all:
"The title of this post is ill-considered at best and inflammatory at worst."

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/29/2011 7:02:18 AM

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Popeye -
Am I to understand that you think that everything a submissive person does in response to an order is in fact something that they secretly desire to do?

sunshine

No.
I was answering the question in the title of this thread; "Are Sub Men Just Closet Gays." My answer is "yes", what's yours?
You need to understand that Dominant men who have a degree of sadism in them view submissive men as somewhat "lesser" creatures in the heirarchy of BDSM.
I'd never "hang out" with a sub male. We have nothing in common.

You need to quit projecting your bigoted crap onto others. I get that you feel this way, but thank god I have met so many more that don't.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/29/2011 8:31:29 AM

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Depends on the closet.

A 4'x5' lint lined, moth balled, dust bunnied, v-neck sweater hangin, cracked flip-flop cuckold cube.

Not so much.

A 500'x500' multilevel rotunda, replete with designer footwear ferris wheel, orchestra accompanied
gilded garment carousel, Spartacus inspired Roman fountain, includes Spartacus of course silly, buff
Butler bejeweled balcony Bavarian brunch, 4 dimensional Omnimax wrap around surround sound
world media information complex , step into winsome waterfall wave with unsurpassed super secret
selection of weapons of mass Domination Megaplex.

Fuck me.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 6/24/2011 10:05:57 PM

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I have always been straight but I am now bi curious. I have been bi curious for years and seem only slightly closer to meeting a guy. Even though I approve and even encourage same gender sex I am still homophobic about it when exposed to it on a personal level. I have met a few people that have wanted to meet or have propositioned me in person when they didn't know I was bi curious and instantly I turn homophobic. Not in a mean hateful way but a fear/flight way. There are a lot of men and even women that have bi feelings that are afraid of it because it goes against who they are and have always been. I would have to say that a majority of men past a certain age that are bi or bi curious are not nor ever be gay. To me bi is a sexual thing and gay/lesbian is more on the romantic/love side of things. I personally have no romantic desires for guys no matter how strong my bi sexual desires become.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 6/24/2011 10:24:54 PM

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I have always been straight but I am now bi curious. I have been bi curious for years and seem only slightly closer to meeting a guy. Even though I approve and even encourage same gender sex I am still homophobic about it when exposed to it on a personal level. I have met a few people that have wanted to meet or have propositioned me in person when they didn't know I was bi curious and instantly I turn homophobic. Not in a mean hateful way but a fear/flight way. There are a lot of men and even women that have bi feelings that are afraid of it because it goes against who they are and have always been. I would have to say that a majority of men past a certain age that are bi or bi curious are not nor ever be gay. To me bi is a sexual thing and gay/lesbian is more on the romantic/love side of things. I personally have no romantic desires for guys no matter how strong my bi sexual desires become.

Not necessarily true as the lines between the two are quite blurred.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 6/24/2011 10:30:11 PM

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I have always been straight but I am now bi curious. I have been bi curious for years and seem only slightly closer to meeting a guy. Even though I approve and even encourage same gender sex I am still homophobic about it when exposed to it on a personal level. I have met a few people that have wanted to meet or have propositioned me in person when they didn't know I was bi curious and instantly I turn homophobic. Not in a mean hateful way but a fear/flight way. There are a lot of men and even women that have bi feelings that are afraid of it because it goes against who they are and have always been. I would have to say that a majority of men past a certain age that are bi or bi curious are not nor ever be gay. To me bi is a sexual thing and gay/lesbian is more on the romantic/love side of things. I personally have no romantic desires for guys no matter how strong my bi sexual desires become.

Dear NEW user......
What you did is called necro-ing a string. You brought it back from the dead. If you'd like to start a NEW string (hint, hint) please do so..

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 6/24/2011 10:39:26 PM

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Personal experience: A straight guy I know thru a mutual gay friend propositioned me one nite. He had invited me to his apartment on a valid pretense (asking my expertise on a particular subject) and then, when we were done with that discussion, asked me a "bullshit" question about "being gay." Lead to a nice little session of feel-em up. Then future sessions went further each time. So, last time, I brought condoms and lube and as you state - he freaked - and I left.

Not the first bi-man I've "had." Most (actually ALL) are okay giving bj's - and to me that's enuff of "being with a man." You can always experience anal with women (strap-on) or by yourself (dildo). You can always get sucked by a woman, but see below. To me sucking dick is something you can't "fake." So that's kinda my "new" limit - don't want to scare the horses, as it were.

ETA: So, Mr. BiSalemOR, go make gay friends and offer to "try" to be bi- with them. That is, you'll suck 'em - maybe they'll suck you.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 6/25/2011 12:29:14 AM

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Lance - usually the necro thing is 3 months....

but any excuse to look at you in that pic is a good one.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 6/25/2011 9:28:34 AM

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I am sub and love taking it up the ass but I am not...... hang on one minute let me check something....*looks a picture of a penis*....Nope not gay at all.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 6/25/2011 9:44:46 AM

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*ponders the assorted toys*

and dammit,. QUIT THROWING MONKEYS!!

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 6/25/2011 3:45:23 PM

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Wow I read through page 3 of this thread and couldn't go any further. Pam, I don't know if you are going to read this or not, but here goes. You don't know how to take advice or criticism. You asked a question that a woman of your obvious years should know the answer to. You also asked for a generalization. There are no generalizations in BDSM, nor in the world for that matter. Asking 'are sub men just closet gays?' is like asking 'do sub women like to beaten up?' or 'are black men criminals?' I can answer both as I was married to a wife beater and no I don't like being beaten up, that doesn't make me any less submissive. And all the black men I know are either strong, professional types or young students--not a criminal in the bunch.

You were offered some advice. Take it or don't, the choice is yours. Instead, you have come off as if you've attacked. As if everybody is saying you are doing it wrong. I don't know, you might be doing it wrong. Me? I tend to listen to those people who know more about a subject than I do. Which is why I've been having nothing but positive experiences on this site for the past week while you have been projecting a 'poor me' attitude, one that says you feel as if you are being picked on. Grow up woman. An attitude like that is not at all attractive.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 6/30/2011 7:51:40 PM

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Especially cucks. It seems like many sub men want me to force them to crossdress or do bi stuff. Now, I am way into forced bi. But the forced bi kinda loses its appeal when it is not forced but begged for.

So, what do you think? is there a way to post a poll on here?

Are all Dommes lesbians?

what a thoughtless question.

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