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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/13/2011 5:32:11 PM

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...you are now totally and shamelessly winding Lady P up.

Wind, wind, wind. If I keep it up, do you think she'll spank me? Oooooh la la.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/13/2011 6:21:56 PM

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I have been part of forced bi, for years. Not a one of them ever expressed their "want" for that, (fyi, it's not forced if it's already their desire to be used that way) but instead after the deep trust and development of our relationship, they trusted Me to take them down that path. Are they gay? lololol NO!

Will they crave that experience again? Hell yes they will! Not because they want or need the bi experience, but because they loved how I pushed them and their limits until it was no longer a "turn off" but instead a need to please his Mistress.

Yes, there are some that will try to lure you into the "do me" situations... but that is with any situation, there are "spank me" "let me suck your feet" "do whatever i want" guys and gals out there, but it's no different than the "It's ALL about Me" Dom/mes that are out there. You just gotta find the right boys, that are wanting to serve You, not their kinks.

I don't even bother with those types. I do however have to agree with LockIt!!

How a Domme presents herself is just as important as how a submissive may present him/herself. If you seem to be swishy, wishy washy, or lack control, you will definitely be more attractive to those "do me" types. A true submissive/slave seeks a confident, in control of her own world and it's surroundings, woman. If they see you aren't in control in some areas, they begin to ask and wonder just how you can control them, as some do not submit easily, they need that powerful confident woman to bring that side of them to the surface.

And by no means am I trying to take a stab at you, I'm new here as well. I haven't even read your profile. I just know after talking to many many submissive men, their biggest disappointment is in finding someone who is wishy washy (thats how we say it where I'm from lol) or show a lack of control or confidence. Make certain your profile is inviting to the right type of men you are looking for.

Now, are there closet gays out there that will try to have you bring them out, by having you seemingly force them into the situation, sure there are, just as there are closet crossdressers that will use forced fem for the same reason. But for the majority, no. Sometimes it's the fact they don't know how to accept that side of themselves, so they try to hide it, and use you to bring it out. Up to you whether or not you will allow yourself to be used that way. I tend to just talk to them and help them learn to come to grips with their own needs and sexuality than allowing them to control Me and what I will do. I do NOT allow them to serve Me in the forced bi situations, because once again... it's not truly a forced situation. I become a "friend" only, in those types of situations.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 12:25:51 AM

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I have been part of forced bi, for years. Not a one of them ever expressed their "want" for that, (fyi, it's not forced if it's already their desire to be used that way) but instead after the deep trust and development of our relationship, they trusted Me to take them down that path. Are they gay? lololol NO!

You know how i crave to please You in this way Mistress. Your words are so true, i don't seek it on my own, but crave doing it for You

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 12:27:19 AM

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 2:54:23 AM

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oy

Don't tell me I've been wrong all these years. I thought it was "oi". :D

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 5:27:30 AM

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There'a a difference..

oy is more along the lines of exasperation / frustration.

oi is more of "HEY!!"

(at least in my experience/interpretation, ymmv)

There is ( again, IME) a slight pronunciation difference....

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 7:14:18 AM

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I was thinking of again posting my two cents on this subject once again and along comes AngelDaRainha that bring home the point that it's all about what the Domme wants and if the trust factor is there, then it very well might happen. It is a turn on for many Dommes and that is where it begins and ends, at least for me.
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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 7:22:54 AM

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*hugs to Song*

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 8:06:14 AM

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 9:51:31 AM

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yay me!

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 10:45:14 AM

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I have a good example of how a man can find himself in a sexual situation that is not optimal in his eyes, but he accepts nevertheless in order to please his Domme.

Many men fantasize about having a threesome. In these fantasies, the threesome is usually mff. I have had these fantasies as well. Yet, in real life, I have never fulfilled that fantasy. But I have had LOTS of threesomes. How is that possible? Well, the threesomes that I've participated in have always been mmF. Not my optimal scenario, but it pleased Her, so I did it (many times). But despite being in a sexual scenario with another man, I am not the least bit gay.

I know that's not quite the same as a forced bi situation, but it's the closest that I've ever come to that, and I didn't feel the least bit gay.

Are you quite sure about mmf? I have always found that the focus of the middle plays a greater part. Most males can engage in an encounter focused on the woman. A lot of them can't cross swords in bed, but put the attention on the female???? Hot! Plain and simple.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 2:09:43 PM

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You might kill me for this, but:

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It's so good to know that VC is in My corner.

Yup! In your corner, that's me!

(Sorry sorry sorry, couldn't resist.)

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 2:59:48 PM

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Are you quite sure about mmf? I have always found that the focus of the middle plays a greater part. Most males can engage in an encounter focused on the woman.

I'm not quite sure that I understood the first part of your question . What do you mean by this?

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A lot of them can't cross swords in bed, but put the attention on the female???? Hot! Plain and simple.

I fall into the category that you described of "not being able to cross swords". I don't do bi play. Yet, I've done mmF, and mmmF.

Our "swords" come awfully close when one is penetrating her vaginally, while another is penetrating her anally. Similarly, one male might be licking her clit while another is penetrating her vaginally. Yet the attention is so focused on Her, that despite the proximity, it never feels like bi play.

All of the males are completely focused on the pleasure of the Female. She directs all of the action. She's both the director, and the star of the show.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 3:04:07 PM

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BTW, after re-reading my reply, I realized that the OP might view my response as evidence that SOME sub males are closet gays. But I assure you it is a very hot hetero scene when multiple men are completely focused on woman. We've all seen it in porn. Do those men look gay? Yet their "swords" come real close to one another.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 9:53:26 PM

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I'm not quite sure that I understood the first part of your question . What do you mean by this?

I fall into the category that you described of "not being able to cross swords". I don't do bi play. Yet, I've done mmF, and mmmF.

Our "swords" come awfully close when one is penetrating her vaginally, while another is penetrating her anally. Similarly, one male might be licking her clit while another is penetrating her vaginally. Yet the attention is so focused on Her, that despite the proximity, it never feels like bi play.

All of the males are completely focused on the pleasure of the Female. She directs all of the action. She's both the director, and the star of the show.

I'm a bit technical when discussing threesomes. In the abbreviation, the focal point is the initial in the middle. For mfm, we're talking about both males focusing on the woman. In mmf, it's the male in the middle getting the sexual attention.

Make sense?

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/14/2011 11:14:59 PM

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I see. I was using mmF to denote that the female was getting the attention.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/15/2011 1:59:10 AM

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Interesting concept. Is there notation for a threesome without a focal point/with one that shifts, Lady P? What if it's three people having sex all with each other? (That sentence had the word 'just' in it but I couldn't actually bring myself to post it like that.)

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/15/2011 8:06:24 AM

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But how would you designate it in my foursome example? In my nomenclature, it's mmmF. I'm not sure how to denote that in yours.

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/15/2011 8:08:03 AM

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Is there notation for a threesome without a focal point/with one that shifts?

o-r-g-y

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RE: Are sub men just closet gays? - 4/15/2011 8:18:10 AM

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LOL Roch!!

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