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RE: 7.8% and I have a bridge to sell too - 10/8/2012 2:45:36 PM   
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Of course they're good numbers. They're prepared by the BLS, an independent agency...again, I'll repeat....regardless of the election...don't you think it's a smidge unusual that essentially 1,000,000 new jobs have been created over the last 90 days?

Don't you even question that?


Not when I know where the numbers come from.   Right now they are hauling in french fries, potatos, hashbrowns,  and potato chips from the fields, the very ones you will eat way into summer. 

I know thousands of folks working potato harvest, sugar beet harvest, corn and sunflower harvest right now........maybe millions.

That was the big jump, in AG.  It is every year, and every election year.  Its a lock in.

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RE: 7.8% and I have a bridge to sell too - 10/8/2012 3:39:57 PM   
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he is the corrupt ex CEO of GE, he has also walked back this statement, I guess if you are proud of people who steal from shareholders and manipulate company records then you would follow him and believe what ever he says, to the rest of us, he is just another white collar crook, who stuck the shareholders with the fines
It's an ironic accusation coming from Welch, who knows a thing or two about employment. After all, he achieved success at GE by slashing more than 100,000 jobs at the company in the 1980s to boost profits.
Then the irony gets even thicker when one considers that Welch is now widely remembered as Corporate America's most skillful manipulator of quarterly earnings results and manager of expectations on Wall Street -- a skill that is particularly handy for CEOs overly focused on their stock price.


It's a good thing they got rid of him and have Jeffrey Immelt as CEO now. Nothing represents the icon of economics like the US "Job's Czar" who, btw, outsourced a shitload of jobs and, under his tenure, GE has gotten tax refunds while making profits overseas.

Or, is he a paraiah, too?

The Wiki entry on Jack Welch, isn't quite as damning as your description. Yeah, I know it's Wikipedia, but I've provided more links than you did in your character assault. Of the 112k jobs that were slashed, 37k were in businesses that were sold. That is, they left GE and went to a different company.

Is it a bad thing to cut employees that aren't needed? According to Wiki, Welch would fire the bottom 10% of his managers at the end of each year. He would also reward the top 20% with stock an options. And, then, he even went the way of the Dark Side and expanded that program to almost a third of all employees. Under his oversight, GE went from $26B in revenues to $130B, and the value of the company went from $14B to $410B. I bet anyone who had stock in GE was completely pissed at him for that shit, huh?

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RE: 7.8% and I have a bridge to sell too - 10/8/2012 4:54:05 PM   
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quote:

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he is the corrupt ex CEO of GE, he has also walked back this statement, I guess if you are proud of people who steal from shareholders and manipulate company records then you would follow him and believe what ever he says, to the rest of us, he is just another white collar crook, who stuck the shareholders with the fines
It's an ironic accusation coming from Welch, who knows a thing or two about employment. After all, he achieved success at GE by slashing more than 100,000 jobs at the company in the 1980s to boost profits.
Then the irony gets even thicker when one considers that Welch is now widely remembered as Corporate America's most skillful manipulator of quarterly earnings results and manager of expectations on Wall Street -- a skill that is particularly handy for CEOs overly focused on their stock price.


It's a good thing they got rid of him and have Jeffrey Immelt as CEO now. Nothing represents the icon of economics like the US "Job's Czar" who, btw, outsourced a shitload of jobs and, under his tenure, GE has gotten tax refunds while making profits overseas.

Or, is he a paraiah, too?

The Wiki entry on Jack Welch, isn't quite as damning as your description. Yeah, I know it's Wikipedia, but I've provided more links than you did in your character assault. Of the 112k jobs that were slashed, 37k were in businesses that were sold. That is, they left GE and went to a different company.

Is it a bad thing to cut employees that aren't needed? According to Wiki, Welch would fire the bottom 10% of his managers at the end of each year. He would also reward the top 20% with stock an options. And, then, he even went the way of the Dark Side and expanded that program to almost a third of all employees. Under his oversight, GE went from $26B in revenues to $130B, and the value of the company went from $14B to $410B. I bet anyone who had stock in GE was completely pissed at him for that shit, huh?


Facts confuse (so many) people.

The guy took over a company in 1981 and when he left in 1999 (18 years) he grew the company from basically 27 billion to 130 billion sales. Not a bad record by any measure.

In that same period the value of the company he chaired went from 14 billion to slightly more than 400 billion.

He basically made "Sigma 6" a standard operating procedure for U.S. and global corporations wherein which, executives AND staff of all levels (right down to the janitor) were graded...on their value to the company.

Ya didn't produce the goods...out you go. Same as in my firms.

It's a beautiful thing...get in the game and realize why we're here....to support our clients....or get the fuck out. Pick one. Don't matter to me if you don't want to commit to our goals. I'm not here for your dream....I'm here for ours...the collective goal, all those people all around you that you're supposed to give a shit about.

Don't? See ya.

He flushed the ones that weren't producing and gave raises to the ones that were.

He dumped divisions that weren't producing, he dumped people that weren't producing and he dumped products that weren't producing.

Sounds like a venerable business person to me.

Man or woman...that's the kind of company I'd like to work for.

They reward success....not failure.

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RE: 7.8% and I have a bridge to sell too - 10/8/2012 6:20:16 PM   
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Now even Jack Welch is walking back his statements about the jobs report, seems even the nuts are realizing they are good numbers....

In fact, it would be effectively impossible for anyone with political motives to manipulate the jobs report, since government analysts use long-established statistical methods to arrive at the jobs numbers each month.

But I'm sure next time the unemployment numbers go up, you will of course believe that the GOP had something to do with it so as to help willard get elected

If you are this upset at the jobs numbers because you "think" someone changed them (falsified them) I can't imagine how upset you must be that everyone even Gingrich, and willards staff is saying willard lied about not raising tax on the middle class and lowering them for the top 1% in the debate I mean you are sooooo concerned with the DEMS being honest....how about the GOP


Of course they're good numbers. They're prepared by the BLS, an independent agency...again, I'll repeat....regardless of the election...don't you think it's a smidge unusual that essentially 1,000,000 new jobs have been created over the last 90 days?

Don't you even question that?



The latest employment report from the Labor Department found 114,000 jobs were added in September and revised the August and July numbers up. The unemployment rate fell to 7.8 percent, the lowest level since Obama took office.

The falling rate led to conspiracy theories on the right that the Obama administration was somehow cooking the books. However, both Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, and Doug Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, agreed that the numbers were not manipulated.

“The numbers were collected in a professional way,” said Holtz-Eakin, who advised Sen. John McCain in his 2008 campaign for president. “It’s a statistical anomaly, not a conspiracy.”


http://news.yahoo.com/budget-wonks-books-were-not-cooked-104124635--politics.html

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RE: 7.8% and I have a bridge to sell too - 10/8/2012 6:24:03 PM   
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The falling rate led to conspiracy theories on the right that the Obama administration was somehow cooking the books. However, both Mark Zandi, the chief economist at Moody’s Analytics, and Doug Holtz-Eakin, former director of the Congressional Budget Office, agreed that the numbers were not manipulated.

Now really, Tazzy: You gonna take the word of budget experts over that of some dude on the Internet?!

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RE: 7.8% and I have a bridge to sell too - 10/8/2012 6:40:10 PM   
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Forbes, that liberal rag, offers an interesting take on Jack Welch:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnmcquaid/2012/10/08/jack-welch-crank-calls-the-media/#more-1804

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RE: 7.8% and I have a bridge to sell too - 10/8/2012 11:18:16 PM   
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I can't find out where all those "millions of jobs" are that Obama said he's created.
And in the last three weeks I've talked on the phone to family, and Navy & Coast Guard budides in Washington state, Nebraska, Missouri, Minnesotta, Montana, Wisconsin, Maine, New Hampshire and Massachusetts and guess what,....they don't know where all those jobs are either!
How about you guys in other states? Has there been a spike in hiring locally from any of those "Obama jobs" where you live?
And, how much do they pay and do they come with "full benefits?"

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RE: 7.8% and I have a bridge to sell too - 10/8/2012 11:53:57 PM   
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Yahoo, this is great. The question is, are you better off than you were 4 years ago. The article on this same issue 4 years ago seems to say NOPE,

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/08/business/economy/08econ.html?pagewanted=all

This article is the "good old days" don't you think?

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RE: 7.8% and I have a bridge to sell too - 10/9/2012 4:07:35 AM   
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here in a town where the auto industry is king, Chrysler had 240 employees in 2007 at the assembly plant, in the last year they have hired over 3500 people to work 3 shifts. Which also means all the suppliers have hired on to to keep the parts moving, so there are a hell of a lot of jobs in the auto industry that where created or saved.

Meanwhile Bain Capital owns a company on town and is shutting it down and moving everything, machines and all to China, and firing every last employee......Romney was here about 6 months ago and pointed to it as a success for American business, great for the CEO sucks for everyone else

If all you look for is failure, then that is all you will find, but then again that is what you do

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