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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/15/2017 12:27:41 PM

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I am person non grata on that place - show them the truth serum at your peril men...women get away with everything; the fakes ones and mad lying bints of screaming insanity are embraced.

I asked him a few times do you remember why you started this place do you know what his answer was unto I, an utter fuking god, nothing! Perhaps hs team are absolutely corrupt and the feeble half with lets them ride his husk.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/15/2017 12:32:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

I usually have a tab open for the site...most hours of the day.
Yes there is a problem with it,
There has been a problem with it for over a year.
Freedom Dwarf, that you have no problems doesnt negate problems others are having, its got fuckall to do with your"abilities". or system.

Well.... when I can reproduce the results, consistently, and more than 99% of the time, that pretty much proves it's the how you connect and your route to get to CS that is more likely to be the problem.
Time and time again, even with a slow old laptop, I get laggy and crap connections with wireless whereas I don't with hard-wired cable.

Interestingly, if I trace my way to collarspace.com (the profile side), it's a short route.
It's 8 hops thru my ISP, BT-Midband, and then directly over to Cloud-14 in San Francisco, CA.
However, if I trace my way to collarchat.com (the forum side), it's always much longer.
it's 14 hops and always wants to leap from BT-Midband to Cloud-14 via several nodes in Amsterdam.
Both site traces are consistent, time after time, no matter what time of day I test it or what machine I test it on.
So the routing tables, from me to CS/CC are consistent.
Obviously, each and every one of us here will route differently and if one bunch of nodes somewhere along the way are being troublesome, it will automatically re-route your packets, and not always for the better.

I'm not saying that others don't have problems; it is clear that many do.
What I am saying is that it's not always the site at fault - it's your connection and routing to CS which is something the site has no control over.
And I also never claimed any 'abilities' other than to be able to trace a packet route to the intended end-point which is something that anyone can do with no special tools.
And the reason I used my ancient laptop to test it is because it is slow and any minor delays are amplified many-fold.

And as RS hinted at, I may be connecting to a different CS server than those from a different continent.
Even he has said that collarchat is getting page-loads at 1/2 a second, but inconsistently.
So that proves the site does work well if you don't get on the bad CS servers.
And it may well be that the server you connect to will depend on how you got there.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/15/2017 2:10:08 PM

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Freedomdwarf, if it were the fault of our machines, connections and blah blah blah, then it would be like this all the dame time, always, across all sites, but it's not. CS works perfectly fine, CC doesn't, and it's only been the last few months since 'coding wanna-be' tried the side bar bing epileptic inducer advert crap. The forums have run slow on and off since I joined here, and I've run on a desk top, a brand new top range lap top, and now this older re-con. It's made no fricking difference what I've run on. Those of us with issues are all over the world, and several of us are in the UK.

Out of curiosity, just why do you need to be running 17 machines at a time?

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/15/2017 2:24:34 PM

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
And as RS hinted at, I may be connecting to a different CS server than those from a different continent.
Even he has said that collarchat is getting page-loads at 1/2 a second, but inconsistently.
So that proves the site does work well if you don't get on the bad CS servers.
And it may well be that the server you connect to will depend on how you got there.

I'll clear up that hint... and apologize for not researching my response fully the first time. Now that I see freedomdwarf1 is accessing CollarChat from the UK, I can assure you that he is on a different server than we are in the USA. It is part of the content distribution system CollarChat uses.

I just did a series of round the world page load speed test from 24 locations in various countries. The results varied wildly. In the fastest set, I got 518 milliseconds (1/2 second) as the fastest but 6.6 seconds as slowest, but only 4 locations loaded in under a second, which is bad. In the slow set results, only 2 locations loaded in under a second (0.8 seconds) and slowest pages took 8 seconds. The system has definitely degraded sine the last time I tested it a over a year ago abd got 1/2 second load times.

I did a server availability and performance test and got no error codes (at this exact moment in time).... so I tested these findings in ireal life against my stop watch.

While parked in this thread, if I open www.collarchat.com. it takes about 5 seconds, which is within the parameters of the test results. However, if I open a sub-forum like General BDSM Discussion it takes 18 seconds to load. Repeating this manual test with a hand timer, I found BIG loading problems with sub-forum and topic threads.

So the owner probably sees the automated website monitoring tools giving a world average of 2.2 seconds load time, yet any tech with a stop watch could dig deeper and tell him his website has fallen to shit once you get more than one layer deep. Why? Could be a couple things. Fist of all, the Collarchat.com page, which is what gets tested with automated tools (not the sub forums or topics), is small and has less than 2k content. While a thread with many replies and older threads with site hosted pics can have tons more content. So it can be a couple things. The SQL database provides the content, if it is lagging on big data calls, that could be the problem. And they did break the database about a year ago or so. Could be the bandwidth balancing is out of whack... etc, etc. The point is, if I can narrow it down with a stop watch and 10 minutes testing, imagine if a professional worked on this place for whole day? Again, my comment about bad business management comes back to mind.

And again, I salute you all for putting up with the horrible maintenance and management of this site.

Best wishes to all.

ETA] Of note, sub forum menus also have small content size. Puzzling?

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/15/2017 2:38:42 PM

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LMAO, and on that ^ note about how CoallrChat is working with "no errors at this exact moment in time" but limping along with lag, I stopped by the other side to check my mail on the way out. CollarSpace is crashed.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/15/2017 2:50:47 PM

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

quote:

ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
And as RS hinted at, I may be connecting to a different CS server than those from a different continent.
Even he has said that collarchat is getting page-loads at 1/2 a second, but inconsistently.
So that proves the site does work well if you don't get on the bad CS servers.
And it may well be that the server you connect to will depend on how you got there.

I'll clear up that hint... and apologize for not researching my response fully the first time. Now that I see freedomdwarf1 is accessing CollarChat from the UK, I can assure you that he is on a different server than we are in the USA. It is part of the content distribution system CollarChat uses.

I just did a series of round the world page load speed test from 24 locations in various countries. The results varied wildly. In the fastest set, I got 518 milliseconds (1/2 second) as the fastest but 6.6 seconds as slowest, but only 4 locations loaded in under a second, which is bad. In the slow set results, only 2 locations loaded in under a second (0.8 seconds) and slowest pages took 8 seconds. The system has definitely degraded sine the last time I tested it a over a year ago abd got 1/2 second load times.

I did a server availability and performance test and got no error codes (at this exact moment in time).... so I tested these findings in ireal life against my stop watch.

While parked in this thread, if I open www.collarchat.com. it takes about 5 seconds, which is within the parameters of the test results. However, if I open a sub-forum like General BDSM Discussion it takes 18 seconds to load. Repeating this manual test with a hand timer, I found BIG loading problems with sub-forum and topic threads.

So the owner probably sees the automated website monitoring tools giving a world average of 2.2 seconds load time, yet any tech with a stop watch could dig deeper and tell him his website has fallen to shit once you get more than one layer deep. Why? Could be a couple things. Fist of all, the Collarchat.com page, which is what gets tested with automated tools (not the sub forums or topics), is small and has less than 2k content. While a thread with many replies and older threads with site hosted pics can have tons more content. So it can be a couple things. The SQL database provides the content, if it is lagging on big data calls, that could be the problem. And they did break the database about a year ago or so. Could be the bandwidth balancing is out of whack... etc, etc. The point is, if I can narrow it down with a stop watch and 10 minutes testing, imagine if a professional worked on this place for whole day? Again, my comment about bad business management comes back to mind.

And again, I salute you all for putting up with the horrible maintenance and management of this site.

Best wishes to all.

ETA] Of note, sub forum menus also have small content size. Puzzling?

RS

I am also from the UK, as are several others, and we are all having the exact same timing out issues as everyone else. I'm getting the blank pages with opening sub forums, or when trying to get back to them from threads, or having posted in threads. It's safe to say that after hitting 'ok' to post this I will then get a blank page again when I try to get back to the general board. The actual main page loads quickly every time.

So far FD appears to be the only person not having any issues. I don't hold with his theories simply because if he was correct then surely we'd all have issues with other sites too. However, for me personally this is the only site that I have an issue with.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/15/2017 3:32:45 PM

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I'm also in the UK and have pretty much given up trying to open a sub-forum. Forum main page, posts since last visit and individual posts aren't a problem, just sub-forums. I use a relatively new desktop PC, connected by ethernet to a 16 Mb internet connection. No other devices except my mobile. No problems with the rest of the internet.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/16/2017 3:29:56 AM

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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl

What's funny is that M and I were discussing making an offer for the site. But, it's difficult to calculate the value of a site where the site itself is junk. The only value is in the number of accounts (a large chunk of which are fake) and the current advertising revenue. The reporting websites vary widely on impressions, income and value. One as high as $2 million, one as low as $50K.

It's like buying a run down house with a good address...without a home inspection and no other houses to compare it to.

So far, I know several people who have made offers. He's not open to selling, or at least he's not responded to any of them, even from people he has known and worked with.

I honestly had not thought about going through the lawyer. I think I'll try that next. I always wanted this site to improve and work better. I just kinda gave up.

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ORIGINAL: Milesnmiles
And instead of saying hurray the site owner is sick and it serves him right. Maybe you could ask if he could use some help to improve the site or we could lose it all together.

Do you really think no one has offered to help? Or that none of us have, in one way or another?

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

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The problem is that to cater for these nerds, websites need to upgrade at quite a large cost to the owners.
Maybe the owner of CS is too ill to invest in it right now.

I've been hearing the "E*** is ill" thing for a few years now. Primarily, I hear it from people who know the man, or those who have talked to people who know the man often enough that I tend to believe there is at least some truth in it. I couldn't say if it's the illness that leads to the bad business decisions or the illness makes a good scapegoat to excuse the bad business decisions.

He is ill. Very ill. There is both bad business decisions (not all his fault, if you take his side of the story as fact) and illness at fault, one exacerbating the other.

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We all know that some things on the site get tampered with periodically and usually with disastrous effect.

Tinkering doesn't usually fix things - Ebay has the same mentality.
With a site as old as this one, you really need wholesale updates performed by competent staff.
The owners don't have the will and/or resources to do that for CS.
One of the things I haven't heard about E is that he's short on cash. He's not losing money. He's just not making as much from the joint as he used to. It's still income and even the lowest figure that I've heard is a good bit of scratch. Could still ride it out for a few more years (if an opportunity to sell didn't arise) and just let the place die a natural death. I wouldn't want to project whether that will be in two years or five, but it is coming, eventually.

He's losing money. He's not making enough to cover his monthly expenses.

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But what FetLife doesn't allow you to do is browse profiles for a specific geographic area by narrowing or selecting a search ability. You have to end up searching through hundreds of profiles of men and women when you only want to browse profiles of women let's say and of a particular type, dominant let's say. So, FetLife lacks a few basic, common sense capabilities.

FetLife is not a dating site. It's a social site. Like Facebook. Collarspace is more like Match or POF.

Two different reasons for being.

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No rides today! *smiles*

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
What I am saying is that it's not always the site at fault - it's your connection and routing to CS which is something the site has no control over.

Speaking from experience, this is not exactly true.

Connection and routing have A LOT to do with the site management and ownership. For example, if a site gets a poor reputation through spam or certain activities, it can get handicapped by ISPs, who will route hops to that site through slower hubs.

I would guess, based on knowing how the system works or doesn't, that there is not a lot of work being done to keep the registration and email lists clean, and that this site sends bounces like nobody's business, and I know from experience that even people who sign up will mark emails as spam, instead of simply unsubscribing.

That, alone, can ruin a website reputation with email severs and ISPs. While some ISPs don't do this, MANY MANY more are these days.

For example. There is more.

I'm going through something similar being new, and having less that 3 months under my belt...

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/16/2017 5:58:47 AM

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

So far FD appears to be the only person not having any issues. I don't hold with his theories simply because if he was correct then surely we'd all have issues with other sites too. However, for me personally this is the only site that I have an issue with.

Needles

Actually, no.

You can connect to 100 different sites and each connection will not be the same.
If you get a good route through good nodes, each one will be Ok.
But if you happen to hit some bottleneck somewhere along the line, it'll be shit and maybe not even connect at all.
This is also true if you connect to the same site 100 times.
If the routing tables for every node between you and your target site hit a hiccup, you'll get a shit connection.

So to make the (false) assumption that if one site is crap and others are good, then it must be the site just isn't true.
For instance, I get really shit responses from Yahoo.
Sometimes it takes 10-20 seconds for my mail page to load.
There have been times when I've left it for over half an hour and it still hadn't finished loading.
So by that evidence, I could accuse Yahoo of being really crap.
However, all I do is close the page and sometimes just reboot and it usually works like lightning on the second attempt.
For the odd times I find CS slow, I close the browser and try again - that usually works for me.
And no, I don't clear cookies and temp files either (I do that every day anyways).
Just re-establishing another route to CS often makes all the difference.

Does anyone remember the days of dial-up??
You could connect a dozen times in a row and get a dozen different speeds from blazing fast (for dial-up) with smooth surfing to something abysmal that fails 99% of the time trying to surf.
I know technology has given us faster broadband speeds but the routing technology is pretty basic.
You can still get a shit connection 1 in 100 times to a site you normally surf without problems.
That's how this shit works.
It's not like walking into a building with one door so there's only one way in and out each and every time.
The internet is like going from point A to point B with a myriad of options on how to do it.
Sometimes, you need to divert because of road works which makes you late at the other end.
Does that mean you'll never ever go that route again?? Or that point B is total crap and you'll never go there again??
Chances are, you'll give it a while and the next time you go to point B, you'll try the same route you've always used.

The fact that I appear to be lucky with my connection to CS and it usually works where a lot of people have problems is probably dues to the fact that I'm hard-wired and happen to be in a location that (for the moment) is giving me good routes into CS.
But on the other hand, Yahoo is giving me shit most days and has done for the last 6 months or more.
In fact, most of what you lot are complaining about CS for is what I get from Yahoo.
Yet my daughter can access my Yahoo account from her smart phone standing right next to me and it's fine.
It's pretty much down to how you are routed to your target site.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/16/2017 6:08:38 AM

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I am hanging ontrying to enter into collarchat, and horrid hangs in trying to enter a single forum.
It has been going on for 6 months anyway.
It happens under xp, 7, 10. into a single forum which is a big hang, cannot be a separate route.

BTW, cookie handling on this site has always been atrocious.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/16/2017 10:20:13 AM

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I often get hangs in the forums, not the other side. And I have a very fat pipe, 100Mbps download speed. I get it both on Internet Explorer, Chrome (Windows 10 64 bit), and Android (6.0.1 Marshmellow) with Dolphin and Chrome web browsers. So it is not my connection or my equipment. I can stream blu-rays with no problem. It is a Collarchat problem.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/16/2017 11:08:09 AM

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

So far FD appears to be the only person not having any issues. I don't hold with his theories simply because if he was correct then surely we'd all have issues with other sites too. However, for me personally this is the only site that I have an issue with.

Needles

Actually, no.

You can connect to 100 different sites and each connection will not be the same.
If you get a good route through good nodes, each one will be Ok.
But if you happen to hit some bottleneck somewhere along the line, it'll be shit and maybe not even connect at all.
This is also true if you connect to the same site 100 times.
If the routing tables for every node between you and your target site hit a hiccup, you'll get a shit connection.

So to make the (false) assumption that if one site is crap and others are good, then it must be the site just isn't true.
For instance, I get really shit responses from Yahoo.
Sometimes it takes 10-20 seconds for my mail page to load.
There have been times when I've left it for over half an hour and it still hadn't finished loading.
So by that evidence, I could accuse Yahoo of being really crap.
However, all I do is close the page and sometimes just reboot and it usually works like lightning on the second attempt.
For the odd times I find CS slow, I close the browser and try again - that usually works for me.
And no, I don't clear cookies and temp files either (I do that every day anyways).
Just re-establishing another route to CS often makes all the difference.

Does anyone remember the days of dial-up??
You could connect a dozen times in a row and get a dozen different speeds from blazing fast (for dial-up) with smooth surfing to something abysmal that fails 99% of the time trying to surf.
I know technology has given us faster broadband speeds but the routing technology is pretty basic.
You can still get a shit connection 1 in 100 times to a site you normally surf without problems.
That's how this shit works.
It's not like walking into a building with one door so there's only one way in and out each and every time.
The internet is like going from point A to point B with a myriad of options on how to do it.
Sometimes, you need to divert because of road works which makes you late at the other end.
Does that mean you'll never ever go that route again?? Or that point B is total crap and you'll never go there again??
Chances are, you'll give it a while and the next time you go to point B, you'll try the same route you've always used.

The fact that I appear to be lucky with my connection to CS and it usually works where a lot of people have problems is probably dues to the fact that I'm hard-wired and happen to be in a location that (for the moment) is giving me good routes into CS.
But on the other hand, Yahoo is giving me shit most days and has done for the last 6 months or more.
In fact, most of what you lot are complaining about CS for is what I get from Yahoo.
Yet my daughter can access my Yahoo account from her smart phone standing right next to me and it's fine.
It's pretty much down to how you are routed to your target site.

So 3 different machines, two different home addresses, different ways of connection, countless times of logging in, you have others telling you about servers and such, yet still this is the ONLY site I, and many others have this particular issue with, but you won't have it that it's the site at fault because you don't have issues with it ... or so you have continuously claimed, right until the above where you now admit that it is slow for you too, so you too also have had issues with it the same as the rest of us.

I'm not talking about CS, I very rarely have issues with CS. I'm talking about CC, the forums, they are two different sites, and so far for the last few months, since the advert nonsense, CC has been horrendous to access, no matter how many times I shut it down and open it up.

Sorry, but I'm not buying what you're saying on this one. The servers, and the coding are duffed up to yonder and back.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/16/2017 5:57:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: needlesandpins

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist

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ORIGINAL: freedomdwarf1
And as RS hinted at, I may be connecting to a different CS server than those from a different continent.
Even he has said that collarchat is getting page-loads at 1/2 a second, but inconsistently.
So that proves the site does work well if you don't get on the bad CS servers.
And it may well be that the server you connect to will depend on how you got there.

I'll clear up that hint... and apologize for not researching my response fully the first time. Now that I see freedomdwarf1 is accessing CollarChat from the UK, I can assure you that he is on a different server than we are in the USA. It is part of the content distribution system CollarChat uses.

I just did a series of round the world page load speed test from 24 locations in various countries. The results varied wildly. In the fastest set, I got 518 milliseconds (1/2 second) as the fastest but 6.6 seconds as slowest, but only 4 locations loaded in under a second, which is bad. In the slow set results, only 2 locations loaded in under a second (0.8 seconds) and slowest pages took 8 seconds. The system has definitely degraded sine the last time I tested it a over a year ago abd got 1/2 second load times.

I did a server availability and performance test and got no error codes (at this exact moment in time).... so I tested these findings in ireal life against my stop watch.

While parked in this thread, if I open www.collarchat.com. it takes about 5 seconds, which is within the parameters of the test results. However, if I open a sub-forum like General BDSM Discussion it takes 18 seconds to load. Repeating this manual test with a hand timer, I found BIG loading problems with sub-forum and topic threads.

So the owner probably sees the automated website monitoring tools giving a world average of 2.2 seconds load time, yet any tech with a stop watch could dig deeper and tell him his website has fallen to shit once you get more than one layer deep. Why? Could be a couple things. Fist of all, the Collarchat.com page, which is what gets tested with automated tools (not the sub forums or topics), is small and has less than 2k content. While a thread with many replies and older threads with site hosted pics can have tons more content. So it can be a couple things. The SQL database provides the content, if it is lagging on big data calls, that could be the problem. And they did break the database about a year ago or so. Could be the bandwidth balancing is out of whack... etc, etc. The point is, if I can narrow it down with a stop watch and 10 minutes testing, imagine if a professional worked on this place for whole day? Again, my comment about bad business management comes back to mind.

And again, I salute you all for putting up with the horrible maintenance and management of this site.

Best wishes to all.

ETA] Of note, sub forum menus also have small content size. Puzzling?

RS

I am also from the UK, as are several others, and we are all having the exact same timing out issues as everyone else. I'm getting the blank pages with opening sub forums, or when trying to get back to them from threads, or having posted in threads. It's safe to say that after hitting 'ok' to post this I will then get a blank page again when I try to get back to the general board. The actual main page loads quickly every time.

So far FD appears to be the only person not having any issues. I don't hold with his theories simply because if he was correct then surely we'd all have issues with other sites too. However, for me personally this is the only site that I have an issue with.

Needles

When I came here, the main page opened in less than 10 seconds. I right clicked and opened 4 sub forums in new tabs then bounced the main browser window over to CollarSpace, which opened in about 8 seconds. I checked mail and came back to other 4 sub forums... ALL of which failed. 2 timed out with browser notices and the other 2 had server error codes.

I do not have enough experience to diagnose from a clue like "The actual main page loads quickly every time" but the sub forums lag or time out. But that seems like a distinctive symptom. I wonder if that is common behavior for all of us? Should be a telling clue if it is.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/16/2017 7:25:29 PM

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I wonder if that is common behavior for all of us?

It is for me.
The CS page for me though is also pretty slow, but generally works. It only times out occasionally, but things like reloading the mail page is very slow.
The main forum page opens quickly and always works. The last post links to individual threads open a little slower but almost always work. The sub-forums, however do not. They are very slow and almost always time out or lead to a blank page. I have to refresh them a couple times to get them to load. And once in a sub forum, the individual threads are kind of slow, but almost always open.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/16/2017 7:40:42 PM

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^ is my experience of the forums as well.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/17/2017 3:54:35 AM

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Hi Nookie,

I read this post as I was headed out for work yesterday but time didn't allow me to respond. It's kind of been on my mind, so I wanted to reply. I'm going to trim some parts, as they weren't related to where my thoughts were going.

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ORIGINAL: NookieNotes
I honestly had not thought about going through the lawyer. I think I'll try that next. I always wanted this site to improve and work better. I just kinda gave up.

Just from what I know, that might be the better suggestion. I wouldn't say people should do it over frivilous stuff that happens around the site. However, actual business or anything that's actually crossing into legal territory, it might be the way to go. A legitimate offer to buy the joint would probably hit the bar, in my opinion.

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He is ill. Very ill. There is both bad business decisions (not all his fault, if you take his side of the story as fact) and illness at fault, one exacerbating the other.

This part is probably why this was on my mind yesterday. Please understand that I may not phrase some of this as delicately as I should.

Those of you who know the man well enough to know what "ill" actually means in his case, are in a better position to make the interpretation about how it's effected his business decisions. The rest of us that the man hasn't told directly? It's just plain not our right to know.

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He's losing money. He's not making enough to cover his monthly expenses.

This part, to me, is actually 'new'. Granted, I haven't spoken to anybody who would have access to the financial aspects of this for the better part of a year. Even then, the idea for 'additional revenue' didn't sound like it was going to pan out to me and if expenses aren't being covered at this point, I might have been right about that.

[quoteFetLife is not a dating site. It's a social site. Like Facebook. Collarspace is more like Match or POF.

Two different reasons for being.
Oddly enough, when OKCupid put out it's tenth anniversary little factoids, they very specifically covered the issue of the rise of kinky people using the site to date. (I should have bookmarked that dang thing.)

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I'm going through something similar being new, and having less that 3 months under my belt...

I don't want this to sound callous at all. I do not wish E any ill will in any way, nor am I unsympathetic to any health problems that he might have.

As far as the bottom line goes, whether he/the site are turning profit or not, how well the business is being run, etc, really doesn't matter that much when it comes to the bottom line. What I mean by that is, the contributing factors that led to certain results aren't terribly consequential. It doesn't really make a difference if certain bad business decisions came to be due to any relation to an illness or whether the owner was making decisions based on his aversion to the color orange.

In retrospect, RS had a good business plan that he practically handed E*** on a silver platter. Had it been implemented at the time, whether the site was hitting a point of losing money or not might have been a whole different discussion.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/17/2017 5:00:02 AM

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^ is my experience of the forums as well.

Me too. I do sometimes wonder how the hell anybody's managing to start new threads at the moment.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/17/2017 7:09:01 AM

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I wouldn't say people should do it over frivilous stuff that happens around the site. However, actual business or anything that's actually crossing into legal territory, it might be the way to go. A legitimate offer to buy the joint would probably hit the bar, in my opinion.

I agree. Since I considered him a friend, I thought it best to go directly to him. I didn't even consider the lawyer.

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As far as the bottom line goes, whether he/the site are turning profit or not, how well the business is being run, etc, really doesn't matter that much when it comes to the bottom line. What I mean by that is, the contributing factors that led to certain results aren't terribly consequential. It doesn't really make a difference if certain bad business decisions came to be due to any relation to an illness or whether the owner was making decisions based on his aversion to the color orange.

Agreed. I often tell people why does not matter as much as what. The what is that things are going wrong.

However, it can make a difference in how people feel about what exactly is going wrong, and the choices they make as a result.

For example, I am fighting ISPs to take me off their "grade D" list, so that my members don't get routed to Taiwan on their way to my site... It's because I'm new, not because I'm a bad person, a suspect site, or because I send spam. The result is the same, but they why says I am working towards a solution, as opposed to sliding in decay.

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ORIGINAL: LadyPact

In retrospect, RS had a good business plan that he practically handed E*** on a silver platter. Had it been implemented at the time, whether the site was hitting a point of losing money or not might have been a whole different discussion.

Oh, and likewise. I actually worked with him on it, put it all in place, he would not have had to do much at all. But that is what it is.

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/17/2017 7:23:20 AM

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I, a handsome loon access this site from the UK - do not make me become embroiled again with the blithering inaccurate half wit statements of FW or as RE said perhaps you are blessed with the luck of the Irish.

That made me smile and laugh aloud thanks nookie - you really, really do pay attention to all - fair impressed....I would you know for the record.

Wickedswaffle aside - the owner I do not know so I cannot fully comment. Nookie i find it hard to believe he is running this place at a loss are you 100% sure?...i got fed up here 10 years ago and yet I am still here..can someone explain that to me?

i am what i am but here two things about me:
1. If I need help i ask for it and i am pretty ill.
2. If i need advice/opinion a rainbows spectrum i ask
I remember sometimes all,sometimes not...but I remember one day IC was there and the next it was gone - the site should have been gifted to the collective...any of you lot here remember that?

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RE: What is wrong with this website? - 1/17/2017 7:37:01 AM

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I, a handsome loon access this site from the UK - do not make me become embroiled again with the blithering inaccurate half wit statements of FW or as RE said perhaps you are blessed with the luck of the Irish.

That made me smile and laugh aloud thanks nookie - you really, really do pay attention to all - fair impressed....I would you know for the record.

Wickedswaffle aside - the owner I do not know so I cannot fully comment. Nookie i find it hard to believe he is running this place at a loss are you 100% sure?...i got fed up here 10 years ago and yet I am still here..can someone explain that to me?

i am what i am but here two things about me:
1. If I need help i ask for it and i am pretty ill.
2. If i need advice/opinion a rainbows spectrum i ask
I remember sometimes all,sometimes not...but I remember one day IC was there and the next it was gone - the site should have been gifted to the collective...any of you lot here remember that?

I joined IC, if it's what I think you are talking about, but my playmate at the time used it consistently, so I wouldn't as I didn't want to be accused of stealing his site (he'd done that with another site we were both members of you see just because I got rather more attention that he did, and he's always been a bit of an attention whore, doesn't like it if the woman he's with is getting more than he is, so I stayed clear to avoid another drama lama swooning), but I seem to remember him mentioning that it just vanished. He'd mentioned though that there is supposed to be a group for it of some sort on Fet?

Mind you, so did the first site that I mentioned we were both a part of. Again the owner had health issues, and with no warning that I was aware of it was just gone. I've no idea if it's ever been resurrected because I really didn't care that much.

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