DesideriScuri
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ORIGINAL: InfoMan
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
LMMFAO!
You put out a data table. I used your data table. You even said that returns aren't really deportations. You even said that the way deportations were counted was changed by Bush43.
and exactly where did i say that "way deportations where counted was changed by Bush" exactly?
Oh wait... I Didn't...
I specifically said:
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ORIGINAL: InfoMan
This change in language was introduced During the Obama administration, between 2010 and 2014... and has again, distorted the facts as before then Individuals caught at the border where "Not a Priority". This is why if you look up the 'deportation via priority' over obama's presidency you notice this weird and oddly drastic shift between the two fields...
My error. I admit it. You are correct that you never said the change in the way deportations were counted was started by Bush.
However.....
https://newrepublic.com/article/117412/deportations-under-obama-vs-bush-who-deported-more-immigrants quote:
But in the second half of the Bush administration, DHS decided to up the number of “removals” and limit the number of “returns.” The government hoped to deter immigrants from sneaking back into the country by making it clear that the U.S. knew who they were—and could punish them more harshly if they showed up again. Under Obama, DHS has stuck with this policy. Between 2009 and 2012, the number of deportations and informal returns was roughly the same—about 1.6 million each.
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http://www.vox.com/2014/4/11/5602272/removals-returns-and-deportations-a-very-short-history-of-immigration quote:
During the Bush administration, the thriving economy drew a lot of unauthorized migration. Many of these people were apprehended at the border. Still, many slipped through and the unauthorized population grew significantly.
At the time, many critics derided the Bush administration's returns as a "catch-and-release" system — the administration was turning away people at the border who would then come back and try again.
So, in response, the Bush administration decided to ramp up the number of formal orders of removal (and criminal charges) for people who would previously have been returned, says Theresa Brown of the Bipartisan Policy Center, who was a Customs and Border Protection and Department of Homeland Security official at the time.
Bush officials figured that relying more heavily on removals would deter people from repeatedly trying to cross the border. This system has persisted under Obama, and is now part of what's called the Consequence Delivery System.
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So, Bush started the practice of treating more returns as removals.
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And to this... nonsense...
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri
So, if you add returns and removals (which is what counts as deportations), Obama turns out to be Fifth on the list of Presidents with the most deportations. Fifth. Considering we've had more than 5 Presidents, Obama being 5th means his deportation stats aren't "all time lows," as you claimed.
If you Mathed out those numbers in comparison with the standing population to produce a Rate - you would find that he comes far far worse. Because, you know with population growth and everything, it is kind of silly to directly compare simply the Raw Number of Obama's Deportations to say Cleveland's Deportations - because during Cleveland's presidency, 4 Million deportations was literally 1/6th the Total Population of Mexico at the time.
Even jumping back 50-60 years - The population has Doubled since the presidencies of Eisenhower and Truman...
Being unable to understand that just kinda proves your incompetence.
So, here's the funny thing about your screed...
Your Post #16 quote:
Every country deports people. I know it might be a shocker because during the Obama administration Deportations where [sic] at an all time low and many of the border agencies saw massive cuts to their budgets so they couldn't actually deport people if they wanted to.
Did you see where you said the "deportation rate" was at an all time low? Yeah. Neither did anyone else. You've probably figured me incorrectly. I'm absolutely not a fan of Obama. I'm not a fan of the Democrat/Progressive/Liberal agenda. I just don't believe proper discussions and debates should include misleading statements.
Your own table shows Obama has more removals than his predecessor. Your complaint that Obama is fudging those numbers (not verbatim) is arguably true, but Obama's number fudging actually started under Bush, so even his numbers are
fudged.
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