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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/1/2017 6:18:41 PM

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There were 23 studies o the effects of ccws on crime rates.
20 said that there was a distinct , not huge but distinct, drop in crime from these laws.
2 said there was not real effect from them.
1 said they resulted in a crime increase.
22 were submitted for review giving the sources for their data and detailing methods used for their conclusions.
1 refused to submit any information on their sources or their methods.
That study came from the Brady bunch and was the only one that agreed with you.

So far all we have is your ignorant unsubstantiated opinion and no cites...how typical of you.
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/1/2017 7:12:06 PM

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Gun violence is a consequence of gun ownership. Period. The ready availability of
firearms is the single biggest predictor of gun violence. Period. Countries with low
rates of gun ownership have much lower rates of gun violence. Period.

In cuba everyone has a gun and ammo issued by the government
without your claimed corresponding level of gun violence . So it would seem your premise is
incorrect.
No. They do not. This is what is known as "lying". With few exceptions only the military and the secret police are allowed to own firearms. Cuba has around half a million firearms distributed amongst a population of 88 million. There's roughly 1 registered firearm per 200 people. Private firearm ownership is regarded as suspicious by the Cuban people.

Consequently, gun crime is virtually unknown. Because the number of guns is extremely low. Thus, your Cuban example supports my point.

You are an idiot.

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I have not noticed any increase in your level of lazy or stupid.
Who cares. I've noticed that you're both lazier and stupider - as ably demonstrated by your inability to fact-check your response to me before you spouted it.

Fuck, talk about an own goal. Would you like to support my argument again? You're very good at it.

And uprecedented increase in gun ownership in this country was matched by an unprecidented drop in crime.

No. Gun ownership increases violent crime - it does not prevent it. It doesn't even cause property crime to drop because - drum roll please - criminals bring weapons with them.

Criminals bring guns with them, so the rest of us need to be defensless.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/1/2017 7:38:59 PM

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Criminals bring guns with them, so the rest of us need to be defensless.

You were packin your roscoe and got punked for not only your lunch money but also your roscoe.
What was your excuse???
"He snuck up behind me and got the drop on me".
Jesus you are phoquing stupid.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/24/2017 9:44:43 AM

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THIS IS IN REPLY TO TOMPSON X AND NO ONE ELSE,

ALTHOUGH THE RUDE TWIZZLES ON HERE MIGHT NOTE AND PAY ATTENTION

EXPECIALLY THE TWINKIE THAT HAS HIS OWN LANGUAGE AND

RUNS A RIPOFF PAUN SLOP UP NORTH.

YOUR ASS IS MISFIRING WHEN YOU INSULT ME FOR SAYING MY 700 NEVER MISFIRED,
IT WAS MADE AND BOUGHT BACK BEFORE THE 70's

SO BUTTON IT UP FUZZLE FACE AND BE POLITE,

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/24/2017 11:27:47 AM

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THIS IS IN REPLY TO TOMPSON X AND NO ONE ELSE,

ALTHOUGH THE RUDE TWIZZLES ON HERE MIGHT NOTE AND PAY ATTENTION

EXPECIALLY THE TWINKIE THAT HAS HIS OWN LANGUAGE AND

RUNS A RIPOFF PAUN SLOP UP NORTH.

YOUR ASS IS MISFIRING WHEN YOU INSULT ME FOR SAYING MY 700 NEVER MISFIRED,
IT WAS MADE AND BOUGHT BACK BEFORE THE 70's

SO BUTTON IT UP FUZZLE FACE AND BE POLITE,

He tells the same kind of lies about everyone, I would only be concerned if he liked me.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/24/2017 11:33:01 AM

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I didn't say that gun ownership automatically causes crime do decrease.
How ever the number of guns in private ownershipmdoubled from 1995 and crime cut in half.
Even if you cite figures to show that - and I very much doubt you can - correlation does not imply causation. Crime has been dropping in many civilised societies.

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Every time concealed carry is passed crime drops.
No. It doesn't. Guns enable crime, they don't stop it.

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Clearly while it might be argued that the increase in guns does not cause crime to drop the stats clearly show that and increase in legally owned guns most assuredly cause an increase.
Yes, an increase in guns causes an increase in crime, particularly violent crime.

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If gun control stoped crime pre Heller DC would have been the safest place in the country along with Chicago. This was clearly not the case.
You have no idea what you're talking about.

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In fact duringthe DC ban the murder rate in DC double with the intire increasebeing from weapons other than firearms.

The crime rate in DC was influenced by the crack epidemic and it started to fall in the mid 90's due to increased gentrification. Crime tends to fall as lower socio-economic groups gain upward mobility. In general, crime is committed by an underclass. As more people migrate out of that underclass, crime naturally drops.

By the time of the Supreme Court's decision in Heller vs District of Columbia, crime rates in Washington had dropped to their lowest levels in more than 20 years. So your contention that the murder rate doubled is just flat out wrong. You're either lying or just making shit up, because no such thing actually happened.

Why is it that gun nuts are so comprehensively full of shit?

So the crime levels were caused not by guns, but by gangs and drugs, hmmm that is what we have been telling you.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/24/2017 2:10:53 PM

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A FD Guns are the cause of crime.
The reason that crime is not nearly as high in Northern VAwhoes "lax gun laws are responsabe for DCs high crime rate is that people from DC don't move to VA. I am stupid for not realizing this even though I have been telling him for years that if the guns were the cause the peole in Va would commit as many, no , more crime than those in DC.

B FD Guns are the cause of crime. But when I point out that the increase in murders during the gun ban was not by guns, the was no chage in gun crime.
He first says I am stupid because I allegedly think the lack of dr5op in guns makes it a falure. I point out that the increase in murders with everything elase combined with the lack of drrop in gun crime makes it a falure he has the gall to tell me that I am stupid because (as I had been telling him for years) when they couldn't get guns they just used different weapons.

C Awareness Guns are the cause of crime. First he denies a murder increas that even DC officals admitted to. Next he claims that (as the "gun nuts" had be saying for years ) The increase was due to gangs and drugs. Yet he insists that the claim that crime epidemics are cause not by guns but criminals (drug fueled gangs) just means that we can't face reality.

D The desperation of the gun grabbers is so bad that they are claiming to prove they are right by admitting that everything that proves they are wrong is a fact.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/24/2017 5:35:54 PM

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All the childish bickering aside, can someone answer a question ?

Chicago has strict gun laws and a ton of shootings. Gun phobics say that is because they go to surrounding areas to get guns and bring them to the city of Chicago.

Why then are not shootings more common in those surrounding areas where access is easier ?

Noone has yet answered that question.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/24/2017 5:38:57 PM

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All the childish bickering aside, can someone answer a question ?

Chicago has strict gun laws and a ton of shootings. Gun phobics say that is because they go to surrounding areas to get guns and bring them to the city of Chicago.

Why then are not shootings more common in those surrounding areas where access is easier ?

Noone has yet answered that question.

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Because those areas don't have the drug fueled gangs. They have people. And the people are the problem.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/24/2017 7:32:26 PM

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https://www.thetrace.org/2016/10/chicago-gun-violence-per-capita-rate/

As usual the untutored nutsuckers make strawmen and hallucinate asswipe and pass it off as reason and fact, when in fact it is less valuable than used toiletpaper

3rd largest city, and way down in all the counts.

just a hysterical pants shitting anecdote devoid of fact, and it stirs up the feebleminded to masturbation.

Fairly evident who the ignorant sluts are. Nutsuckers.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/24/2017 11:41:58 PM

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Then there should be no gun crime there because everybody obeys the law.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/24/2017 11:43:50 PM

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Where on earth is there a place where everybody obeys the law ? What a boring place that would be.

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RE: Gun hating ignorant sluts... - 5/25/2017 1:03:48 AM

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Well it certainly isn't in the US.

And about this per capita thing, the only reason Chicago doesn't have more per capita is because they have alot of capita. They got plenty of per. It is just confined to certain neighborhoods, mainly where gangs are fighting over furf for their operations. No different than the 1930s really, but then the turf was about booze and jukeboxes and protection rackets.

And I don't see any of those surrounding communities on the list even. You would think they would be. They have more lax gun laws and they have less gun crime per capita. People want to compare to cesspools like NYC, and a few other places.

Just like the love it or leave it crowd about the US. They say "Try living in China or Iraq" and shit like that. Well how about try to live in Sweden, Uruguay, Dubai (Men only) and other havens like that. Even those island nations, with a $1,000 a month SS check you can practically live like a King because of the favorable exchange rate. And it is going to stay that way because that is how they make their money. They're not building jets, cars, TV sets etc.

Cleveland has a higher per capita shooting rate than Chicago, but that is mainly because we lack the capita. We had White flight a long time ago due to forced school busing. It seems to have never stopped. Some stayed but they got tired of having to drop their kids off and pick them up at the private schools. So they moved out to the suburbs.

They still come to town to cop drugs though. Not pot so much because there are alot of small farms where people just deal with family and chosen family and those people distribute it when necessary. they come for coke, crack, smack and other hard stuff. These have much stiffer penalties so in case of a possible bust they are alot more aggressive.

The whole thing is that most people shoot someone for a reason. Space, turf, whatever. They generally don't shoot their spouses, family, people they know, because they know they could become a suspect and be scrutinized.

Although the fact still remains that very few homicides are really investigated. there are more unsolved murders than solved. The TV shows might have people thinking different, but that ain't reality. In small towns maybe, mainly because the Citizens get paranoid and demand action because it is not an everyday occurrence. The TV has people thinking they routinely go through the cold case files and find new evidence or DNA or whatever and lock up the bad guy. Not in the big city, they simply do not have the time. they pick their suspect and if they can't get enough evidence to convict or scare him into taking a deal they drop it and it will never be heard about again.

Enough rant.

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