RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of emergency called

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/20/2017 9:19:53 PM

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Liar.

Nope. It's true. It's probably the most obvious answer someone would say.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 4:27:15 AM

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I never thought I'd see people defending neo-nazis as conservative champions of free speech.

Then you need glasses. People are defending the neo-nazi's right to free speech, not that the neo-nazi's are the champions of free speech.

No. People (who perhaps, as you note, need glasses) are (a) equating neo-nazis with conservatives (and I'll bet the majority of conservatives would angrily deny that -- CD had a series of 7 posts explaining why it wasn't true), (b) equating an armed show of force shouting threats to Jews and people of color with a peaceful protest. This wasn't a simple gathering.

And then the nonsense from the president (who couldn't find a presidential position after trying again days in a row) who managed only to position the GOP as aligned with the neo-nazis (which many in the GOP are not happy about).

Hug A Nazi Week was about far, far more than simply free speech.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 4:56:13 AM

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He is mad because the president points out that most media outlets are propaganda, and really seems to believe that exercising one's own free speech right by pointing out the truth, is the same as censoring speech

Actually, I'm scornful (rather than mad) because el presidente is only whining about propaganda that he disagrees with, and you're uncritical enough to present that as a protest about free speech rather than a crybaby throwing a tantrum because some of the media is biased against rather than for him.

Hum, while you may be a mind reader who can ascribe motivation, I see it more as acknowledging what his base understands and making the point that governing by the tenants of political correctness is crap.

What does making excuses for a blatant double standard have to do with political correctness?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 5:02:32 AM

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Does the fact that I cant stand racist ideology present a problem to my being a Nazi? 😊

good one!

you probably have immunity based on your self-confessed "tend to think leftist" views, especially if your posting history shows that, but for those of us non-lefties who nevertheless think the same as you concerning racist ideology, its "fair" game (though the word "fair" must be considered incredibly ironic there). we're already de facto racist.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 6:03:46 AM

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Ever the victim.

Don't believe everything you think. Check reality from time to time.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 6:10:34 AM

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I never thought I'd see people defending neo-nazis as conservative champions of free speech.

Then you need glasses. People are defending the neo-nazi's right to free speech, not that the neo-nazi's are the champions of free speech.

No. People (who perhaps, as you note, need glasses) are (a) equating neo-nazis with conservatives (and I'll bet the majority of conservatives would angrily deny that -- CD had a series of 7 posts explaining why it wasn't true), (b) equating an armed show of force shouting threats to Jews and people of color with a peaceful protest. This wasn't a simple gathering.

There were no acts of violence prior to meeting up with the counter-protesters. Who started the violence has been conjectured on these boards, but I don't know which group started it. A group of idiots marching, carrying offensive flags and banners, and chanting ignorance isn't illegal, especially when they have a permit to do so granted by the local authorities.

I'm sure the counter-protesters were carrying their own signs and flags - while they may not have been offensive to most people, they would have been offensive to the white supremacists; which was the point of the flags/banners/signs - and likely chanting their own chants (which, too, would have been designed to be offensive to the white supremacists).

Last time I heard, people are allowed to be ignorant fucktards, provided they aren't infringing on anyone else's rights. No one's rights were infringed upon by the white supremacists marching towards Emancipation Park. No one's rights were infringed by the counter-protesters at the other park. Both groups expected there to be violence. Both groups had at least some dressed for violence.

Had either group been there without the other, I highly doubt there would have been any violence.

In the end, the white supremacists had the right to hold their rally, no matter how ignorant their beliefs. The counter-protesters had the right to hold their rally in a different park. The violence happened in the streets somewhere between the two parks.

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And then the nonsense from the president (who couldn't find a presidential position after trying again days in a row) who managed only to position the GOP as aligned with the neo-nazis (which many in the GOP are not happy about).

Metaphorically speaking, Trump said "All Lives Matter" when the media would only accept "Black Lives Matter." Trump was correct, that there was hate, bigotry and violence on both sides, and there has been all too much hate, bigotry, and violence from many sides over the years.

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Hug A Nazi Week was about far, far more than simply free speech.

You'll have to explain what you're referring to with the phrase "Hug a Nazi Week."

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 6:18:53 AM

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You can dance around this all day. That they didn't shoot anybody is not the standard for peaceful.

An armed mob carrying torches shouting threats marching up your driveway is not going to have you say "Oh look -- peaceful protestors."

Pretend anything otherwise you like. But this is not people sharing their political views -- it's a threat to other's security and peace.

How this became Hug a Nazi Week is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in an increasingly weird America.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 6:53:12 AM

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You can dance around this all day. That they didn't shoot anybody is not the standard for peaceful.

An armed mob carrying torches shouting threats marching up your driveway is not going to have you say "Oh look -- peaceful protestors."

Pretend anything otherwise you like. But this is not people sharing their political views -- it's a threat to other's security and peace.

How this became Hug a Nazi Week is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in an increasingly weird America.

Any protest (mob) can be deemed threatening.

Leftists want the power to choose who can protest, how and when - bottom line. They shut down conservative's benign speeches and GOP presidential candidate campaign stops through the use of violence and threats of violence, no problem. Routinely mob and maul Republicans attending GOP conventions

You never hear anyone demanding their "right" to threaten and intimidate people they disagree with be taken away. Leftists routinely physically attack dissenters, and leftist mayors order their police to let them. Now, they take it a step further and demand that dissenter's means of self defense be denied

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:01:23 AM

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Guns are a tad more threatening than candles.

Just so you know.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:05:37 AM

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Guns are a tad more threatening than candles.

Just so you know.

Leftists throw Molotov cocktails, rocks, bricks, human waste... Brandish crowbars and have recently used improvised explosive devices which utilize glass shards, and worse - and their violence is escalating. American citizens have the right to bear arms for the very purpose of protecting the rest of our rights from that exact sort of threat

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:10:16 AM

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If everyone "leftist" were as you pretend, the violence of the 70s would seem the height of peace.

It's a story you're repeating hoping to believe and have believed.

But it's still fiction created to prop up Hug a Nazi Week.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:19:12 AM

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You can dance around this all day. That they didn't shoot anybody is not the standard for peaceful.
An armed mob carrying torches shouting threats marching up your driveway is not going to have you say "Oh look -- peaceful protestors."
Pretend anything otherwise you like. But this is not people sharing their political views -- it's a threat to other's security and peace.

And, the counter-protesters were also armed.

How is it that with all the guns in the area and the violence that happened, that no one got shot? That's something that must stick in the craw of all the anti-gun nuts.

I'm sure we both agree that the white supremacists' racial beliefs are wrong, bigoted, and would be better off in the dustbin of society. Regardless of those beliefs, they do have the right to hold a peaceful rally. And, no matter how big, bad, tough and dangerous they want to make themselves seem, they still deserve all the same rights and protections that citizens who aren't trying to look big, bad, tough, or dangerous deserve.

How is it you can't (or is it just that you won't?) admit the counter-protesters were also guilty for the violence that day?

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How this became Hug a Nazi Week is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in an increasingly weird America.

Until you mentioned it, I hadn't heard of it.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:19:59 AM

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If everyone "leftist" were as you pretend, the violence of the 70s would seem the height of peace.

It's a story you're repeating hoping to believe and have believed.

But it's still fiction created to prop up Hug a Nazi Week.

Violent leftist attacks against dissenters have been major news items for a while now, and there are also extremely recent examples in the headlines. Your positing that your reality is different from everyone else's reality isn't a good look for you

Neither is your "hug a Nazi" straw man

Ever try debating sans fallacies?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:21:16 AM

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How is it that with all the guns in the area and the violence that happened, that no one got shot? That's something that must stick in the craw of all the anti-gun nuts.

Really??? why is that?

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I posted video of it pages and pages ago

http://www.gregpalast.com/charlottesville-gun-face-got-photo/

Don’t look away. Four white neo-Nazis are beating a Black man, crawling on the ground, with their metal poles and a yellow hunk of lumber. The beating continues — there’s blood on the pavement.

Our photographer, Zach D. Roberts, continues to shoot — even as a white militant raises a 9mm pistol to his face.

Zach got a shot of the gun and gunman, too. Luckily, the gunman didn’t shoot back.

One photo has gone viral internationally. These others we bring you here because they must be seen. Including, for the first time, the gunman.

Welcome to Charlottesville, USA. Trump’s America, month eight.

The young victim is De’Andre Harris, a special education teacher in Charlottesville.

According to the President, the violence was perpetrated on “many sides.” The only sides I see are the beaters and the beaten; De’Andre on the ground with the alt-Right storm troopers with weapons.

Zach D. Roberts is an investigative photojournalist who has been with the Palast Investigations team for eleven years.

Here is Zach’s report:

De’Andre Harris, the school teacher, was walking down the street with friends, trading taunts with the white supremacist demonstrators.

Harris’ jibes were hardly fighting words. “Go home! Leave town!” Locals like Harris resented the jack-ass invasion.

That’s when fists flew and Harris was slammed by one of the white guys straight into a parking lot barrier so hard the yellow wooden arm broke.

De’Andre fell to the ground, alone, surrounded by all these white guys — and they started beating him with the poles that almost all the white supremacists were carrying.

In the photos, you can see one white guy picking up the yellow barrier arm and raising the three foot hunk of lumber high over his head before he brings it down on De’Andre — who is being kicked by another white man’s boots while two others bring down metal rods on the prone man.

And no, that’s not a cop on the left in the photo — that’s a neo-Nazi in full riot gear. (Where were the cops? Good question: this parking garage is next to the Charlottesville Police Station.)

De’Andre was saved when some gutsy young Black men — with no weapons — ran into the underground garage, which promted the white posse to scatter.

Except for one. The gunman.
He pulled out what looks to be a 9mm pistol, maybe a Glock semi-automatic, and positioned himself to fire on the rescue squad. But then he heard the click of Zach’s camera, just three feet away, and realized he was getting photographed.

Simultaneously, Zach realized he’d left his bullet-proof vest in his car. (I’ll have that discussion with him later.)

In this strange stand-off, the camera proved mightier than the bullet. In his tiny little brain, the would-be shooter figured it would be wiser to quickly conceal the weapon and flee.

De’Andre “ran into the garage’s staircase and collapsed bleeding profusely from the face.” Zach waited with him and his protectors for half an hour but no ambulance arrived for him or the other people who were injured.

So, that’s the news from Trump’s USA. Nazis marching in the street, nuclear war with Korea, the “military option” for Venezuela. And it’s only Monday.

I was going to write about Korea, then Venezuela, but then the Armed Alt-Righteous exposed themselves to Zach’s lens.
Much Much more at the link...

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:22:58 AM

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You can dance around this all day. That they didn't shoot anybody is not the standard for peaceful.
An armed mob carrying torches shouting threats marching up your driveway is not going to have you say "Oh look -- peaceful protestors."
Pretend anything otherwise you like. But this is not people sharing their political views -- it's a threat to other's security and peace.
How this became Hug a Nazi Week is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in an increasingly weird America.

Any protest (mob) can be deemed threatening.
Leftists want the power to choose who can protest, how and when - bottom line. They shut down conservative's benign speeches and GOP presidential candidate campaign stops through the use of violence and threats of violence, no problem. Routinely mob and maul Republicans attending GOP conventions
You never hear anyone demanding their "right" to threaten and intimidate people they disagree with be taken away. Leftists routinely physically attack dissenters, and leftist mayors order their police to let them. Now, they take it a step further and demand that dissenter's means of self defense be denied

The Tea Party members did a pretty good job of shutting down Democratic town halls years back. It's not just a one-side or the other issue.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:24:20 AM

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You can dance around this all day. That they didn't shoot anybody is not the standard for peaceful.
An armed mob carrying torches shouting threats marching up your driveway is not going to have you say "Oh look -- peaceful protestors."
Pretend anything otherwise you like. But this is not people sharing their political views -- it's a threat to other's security and peace.
How this became Hug a Nazi Week is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in an increasingly weird America.

Any protest (mob) can be deemed threatening.
Leftists want the power to choose who can protest, how and when - bottom line. They shut down conservative's benign speeches and GOP presidential candidate campaign stops through the use of violence and threats of violence, no problem. Routinely mob and maul Republicans attending GOP conventions
You never hear anyone demanding their "right" to threaten and intimidate people they disagree with be taken away. Leftists routinely physically attack dissenters, and leftist mayors order their police to let them. Now, they take it a step further and demand that dissenter's means of self defense be denied

The Tea Party members did a pretty good job of shutting down Democratic town halls years back. It's not just a one-side or the other issue.

Cite, please. Show me the violence.

And how would that change anything that I posted, even if there were anything to it

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:25:12 AM

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How is it that with all the guns in the area and the violence that happened, that no one got shot? That's something that must stick in the craw of all the anti-gun nuts.

Really??? why is that?

Der. Obviously, with all the guns there, there had to be one going off. Guns have to be banned. No guns are allowed (except in the hands of law enforcement/military).

Try to take logical steps, Lucy. I know you can do it. You usually do. Why you can't this time, I don't know. Wait. It's not a "can't" thing is it? It's a "won't" thing. Got it.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:25:19 AM

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...and they did it without firearms.

Imagine.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:27:09 AM

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The Tea Party members did a pretty good job of shutting down Democratic town halls years back. It's not just a one-side or the other issue.

spot on

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