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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:27:13 AM   
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If everyone "leftist" were as you pretend, the violence of the 70s would seem the height of peace.

It's a story you're repeating hoping to believe and have believed.

But it's still fiction created to prop up Hug a Nazi Week.


Violent leftist attacks against dissenters have been major news items for a while now, and there are also extremely recent examples in the headlines. Your positing that your reality is different from everyone else's reality isn't a good look for you

Neither is your "hug a Nazi" straw man

Ever try debating sans fallacies?


I see you still have trouble differentiating "some" from "every," or "a few" from "most."

Did you have difficulties in math class?

When you can get past that ridiculousness, you can talk to me about straw man fallacies.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:29:29 AM   
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If everyone "leftist" were as you pretend, the violence of the 70s would seem the height of peace.

It's a story you're repeating hoping to believe and have believed.

But it's still fiction created to prop up Hug a Nazi Week.


Violent leftist attacks against dissenters have been major news items for a while now, and there are also extremely recent examples in the headlines. Your positing that your reality is different from everyone else's reality isn't a good look for you

Neither is your "hug a Nazi" straw man

Ever try debating sans fallacies?


I see you still have trouble differentiating "some" from "every," or "a few" from "most."

Did you have difficulties in math class?

When you can get past that ridiculousness, you can talk to me about straw man fallacies.


More fallacies

Typically all any leftist ever has, once you get beyond their purely emotionally driven demands

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:30:47 AM   
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* shrug *

It's the crap you posted. If you want people to get past it, don't post the crap.

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Racist chants are like Kumbaya.
Hug a Nazi.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:31:41 AM   
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The Tea Party members did a pretty good job of shutting down Democratic town halls years back. It's not just a one-side or the other issue.


spot on


Through sheer numbers of outraged voters showing up, right? No glass bombs, no HIV-tainted blood was thrown etc



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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:34:30 AM   
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you condone violence, not me.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:34:41 AM   
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Tea Party members are smarter than neo-nazis.

And more successful.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:40:07 AM   
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You can dance around this all day. That they didn't shoot anybody is not the standard for peaceful.
An armed mob carrying torches shouting threats marching up your driveway is not going to have you say "Oh look -- peaceful protestors."
Pretend anything otherwise you like. But this is not people sharing their political views -- it's a threat to other's security and peace.
How this became Hug a Nazi Week is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in an increasingly weird America.

Any protest (mob) can be deemed threatening.
Leftists want the power to choose who can protest, how and when - bottom line. They shut down conservative's benign speeches and GOP presidential candidate campaign stops through the use of violence and threats of violence, no problem. Routinely mob and maul Republicans attending GOP conventions
You never hear anyone demanding their "right" to threaten and intimidate people they disagree with be taken away. Leftists routinely physically attack dissenters, and leftist mayors order their police to let them. Now, they take it a step further and demand that dissenter's means of self defense be denied

The Tea Party members did a pretty good job of shutting down Democratic town halls years back. It's not just a one-side or the other issue.

Cite, please. Show me the violence.


http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/08/07/209919206/5-memorable-moments-when-town-hall-meetings-turned-to-rage

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/violence-breaks-out-at-democratic-town-halls/

There are other ways to shut down campaign stops, etc. without actual physical violence.

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And how would that change anything that I posted, even if there were anything to it


You're solely blaming the Left. It's not solely the Left.

How could you not understand that when I posted: "It's not just a one-side or the other issue. "


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:41:29 AM   
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...and they did it without firearms.
Imagine.


Both sides in Charlottesville had firearms. You are only blaming one side.

Imagine.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:43:26 AM   
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You can dance around this all day. That they didn't shoot anybody is not the standard for peaceful.
An armed mob carrying torches shouting threats marching up your driveway is not going to have you say "Oh look -- peaceful protestors."
Pretend anything otherwise you like. But this is not people sharing their political views -- it's a threat to other's security and peace.
How this became Hug a Nazi Week is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in an increasingly weird America.

Any protest (mob) can be deemed threatening.
Leftists want the power to choose who can protest, how and when - bottom line. They shut down conservative's benign speeches and GOP presidential candidate campaign stops through the use of violence and threats of violence, no problem. Routinely mob and maul Republicans attending GOP conventions
You never hear anyone demanding their "right" to threaten and intimidate people they disagree with be taken away. Leftists routinely physically attack dissenters, and leftist mayors order their police to let them. Now, they take it a step further and demand that dissenter's means of self defense be denied

The Tea Party members did a pretty good job of shutting down Democratic town halls years back. It's not just a one-side or the other issue.

Cite, please. Show me the violence.


http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/08/07/209919206/5-memorable-moments-when-town-hall-meetings-turned-to-rage

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/violence-breaks-out-at-democratic-town-halls/

There are other ways to shut down campaign stops, etc. without actual physical violence.

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And how would that change anything that I posted, even if there were anything to it


You're solely blaming the Left. It's not solely the Left.

How could you not understand that when I posted: "It's not just a one-side or the other issue. "



What exactly am I blaming the left for, in your world.

I never said they are the only ones who our rights were meant to defend against, and your TEA cites only show that people were emotional, not that they specifically sought to stop anyone from speaking or protesting etc

Conservatives LIKE to argue, while leftists demand everyone else shut the fuck up "or else"

It's in their DNA

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:49:47 AM   
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...and they did it without firearms.
Imagine.


Both sides in Charlottesville had firearms. You are only blaming one side.

Imagine.


Quite. If only the neo-nazis had been tooled up, things might have got much nastier.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 7:55:56 AM   
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Funny thing about the "liberal we dont do violence" myth is that is just that, a myth.

Lets look at some liberal movements for a second:

Environmentalists, the tree huggers.

One of their great techniques is 'spiking' trees in forests that are slated to be harvested, in order to prevent damage to ecosystems.

If clear cutting was still a practice, this might make sense, but it is not, so spiking the selected trees to prevent logging is bullshit, since selectively harvesting trees allows for new growth, and under current regulations, there are certain size requirements for a tree to be harvested.

Now spiking a tree is basically putting large nails into the tree at the level where either a chainsaw or other machinary will be making the cut, the idea is that it will damage the saw.

However, when those blades hit those spikes, the blades have tendency to break, resulting in metal be thrown away at high velocity, which is the same thing that happens when a grenade goes off.

While some groups will put up notices they have spiked trees, a large number do not, which puts the health and lives of loggers at risk.

Yup, lets kill, blind or maim some guy doing an honest days work to feed his kids in order to save a tree.

Makes sense if these fucking dickheads are not living in houses with wood furniture, using products made from wood or wood pulp etc.

Of course, of the known Domestic Terrorist organizations currently on the DOJ watch list, about half are liberal or left leaning groups. All have a history of using violence either directly or indirectly against individuals.

In other words, violence has been a tool for right and left for centuries, so quit trying to distinguish one from the other. Both sides brought weapons to the protests, in the forms of guns, clubs or found weapons of opportunity.

I would suggest that instead of the constant left v right bullshit, everyone agree that it does not matter which side of the fence they were on, they were all wrong.

Yes, a white nationalist killed someone with his car, but that does not detract from the violence on both sides, but who cares if some left leaning idiot threw a rock or swung a club that injured a right leaning protestor.

I have yet to actually see either side in this debate on these boards admit that their pet group did not have some complicity in what the hell happened.

Oh, and by the way, when a group of Native Americans tried to get a permit to protest a statue of Andrew Jackson as well as his old plantation being a national monument, it was denied, and the ACLU refused to take the case as it was deemed unwarranted.

So, it boils down to, it is okay to protect the opinions of blacks, white nationalists etc, but not American Indians.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 8:25:19 AM   
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There are a number of things I oppose, from earth first to throwing paint at people wearing for. None of that however means this is standard practice for everyone on the left. That's just bullshit made up by Bosco

I'm actually not a big fan of demonstrations either, even peaceful ones. I think they do more to make people feel they're doing something when they're really not doing much of anything constructive or proactive.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 8:29:05 AM   
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There are a number of things I oppose, from earth first to throwing paint at people wearing for. None of that however means this is standard practice for everyone on the left. That's just bullshit made up by Bosco

That's his usual approach, though. Just look at his constant assertions that the lunatic fringe of jihadists represent the whole of islam as a religion. The fact that there might be more than one faction within a single group, rather than them being a homogenous mass seems difficult for him to grasp.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 8:32:37 AM   
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You can dance around this all day. That they didn't shoot anybody is not the standard for peaceful.
An armed mob carrying torches shouting threats marching up your driveway is not going to have you say "Oh look -- peaceful protestors."
Pretend anything otherwise you like. But this is not people sharing their political views -- it's a threat to other's security and peace.
How this became Hug a Nazi Week is the most bizarre thing I've ever seen in an increasingly weird America.

Any protest (mob) can be deemed threatening.
Leftists want the power to choose who can protest, how and when - bottom line. They shut down conservative's benign speeches and GOP presidential candidate campaign stops through the use of violence and threats of violence, no problem. Routinely mob and maul Republicans attending GOP conventions
You never hear anyone demanding their "right" to threaten and intimidate people they disagree with be taken away. Leftists routinely physically attack dissenters, and leftist mayors order their police to let them. Now, they take it a step further and demand that dissenter's means of self defense be denied

The Tea Party members did a pretty good job of shutting down Democratic town halls years back. It's not just a one-side or the other issue.

Cite, please. Show me the violence.

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2013/08/07/209919206/5-memorable-moments-when-town-hall-meetings-turned-to-rage
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/violence-breaks-out-at-democratic-town-halls/
There are other ways to shut down campaign stops, etc. without actual physical violence.
quote:

And how would that change anything that I posted, even if there were anything to it

You're solely blaming the Left. It's not solely the Left.
How could you not understand that when I posted: "It's not just a one-side or the other issue. "

What exactly am I blaming the left for, in your world.


Do you even read what you post?!?
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    Leftists want the power to choose who can protest, how and when - bottom line. They shut down conservative's benign speeches and GOP presidential candidate campaign stops through the use of violence and threats of violence, no problem. Routinely mob and maul Republicans attending GOP conventions


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I never said they are the only ones who our rights were meant to defend against, and your TEA cites only show that people were emotional, not that they specifically sought to stop anyone from speaking or protesting etc


You only called out the Left[ists]. You continually only call out the Left. I'm not sure if you've ever called out the Right on these boards. Emotionally shouting down or over people is seeking to stop them from speaking.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 8:36:30 AM   
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...and they did it without firearms.
Imagine.

Both sides in Charlottesville had firearms. You are only blaming one side.
Imagine.

Quite. If only the neo-nazis had been tooled up, things might have got much nastier.


I'm not exactly sure what you're attempting to convey, WM.


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 8:42:04 AM   
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...and they did it without firearms.
Imagine.


Both sides in Charlottesville had firearms. You are only blaming one side.

Imagine.


You're surprised counter-protestors showed up to an armed protest with arms?

Isn't that sanity 101?

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 8:45:02 AM   
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...and they did it without firearms.
Imagine.

Both sides in Charlottesville had firearms. You are only blaming one side.
Imagine.

Quite. If only the neo-nazis had been tooled up, things might have got much nastier.


I'm not exactly sure what you're attempting to convey, WM.


Perhaps I'm reading too much into that account, but it would appear that the jewish congregation are crediting the presence of the armed antifas with preventing a violent pogrom against their synagogue.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 9:44:29 AM   
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...and they did it without firearms.
Imagine.

Both sides in Charlottesville had firearms. You are only blaming one side.
Imagine.

You're surprised counter-protestors showed up to an armed protest with arms?
Isn't that sanity 101?


You're too intelligent to act that stupid.

Both sides had firearms. You're only blaming one side.

Neither of those two statements says I was surprised counter-protesters showed up.

Why will you not acknowledge that both sides are to blame for the violence?


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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 9:47:41 AM   
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...and they did it without firearms.
Imagine.

Both sides in Charlottesville had firearms. You are only blaming one side.
Imagine.

Quite. If only the neo-nazis had been tooled up, things might have got much nastier.

I'm not exactly sure what you're attempting to convey, WM.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into that account, but it would appear that the jewish congregation are crediting the presence of the armed antifas with preventing a violent pogrom against their synagogue.


Cops were there, too.

But, your comment wasn't reflective of the reality of the situation. The neo-nazi's WERE tooled up (at least if I'm correctly interpreting that to mean "armed"), too.

I think that's where the disconnect between what you wanted to come across and what I got out of it.

ETA: Good on the antifa crowd for protecting the synagogue, if that was the case.

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RE: White Nationalists turn violent in VA -- state of e... - 8/21/2017 10:16:39 AM   
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...and they did it without firearms.
Imagine.

Both sides in Charlottesville had firearms. You are only blaming one side.
Imagine.

Quite. If only the neo-nazis had been tooled up, things might have got much nastier.

I'm not exactly sure what you're attempting to convey, WM.

Perhaps I'm reading too much into that account, but it would appear that the jewish congregation are crediting the presence of the armed antifas with preventing a violent pogrom against their synagogue.


Cops were there, too.

But, your comment wasn't reflective of the reality of the situation. The neo-nazi's WERE tooled up (at least if I'm correctly interpreting that to mean "armed"), too.

I think that's where the disconnect between what you wanted to come across and what I got out of it.

ETA: Good on the antifa crowd for protecting the synagogue, if that was the case.

"If only the neo nazis had been tooled up" meaning "if that side had been armed and the antifas hadn't", not "if only the white supremacists had bought their guns with them". I'd not realised that could be interpreted either ways when I wrote it. My bad.

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