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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Sweden is not even slightly socialist you ignorant twit.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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ORIGINAL: Nnanji

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Sweden is not even slightly socialist you ignorant twit.

https://socialistworker.org/2015/11/24/you-mean-socialism-like-in-sweden

LMAO!!!!
You didn't read beyond the headline did you Ralphie?

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yeah, like I thought, you can't actually name or list any of these imaginary socialist influences. Just a head's up, the welfare state is anti-socialist, by definition. Turns out your knowledge of political terminology, while broader than that of the Yanks, is just as shallow.

The idea of the welfare state isn't anti-socialist. Where do you get that from?

Look, please try not to be too aggressive with me on this, TDC. It won't help you.

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Actually, I did read it

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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Actually, I did read it

Then you need to read it again, more slowly this time, because it supports what I said.

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ORIGINAL: blnymph

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

Yeah, like I thought, you can't actually name or list any of these imaginary socialist influences. Just a head's up, the welfare state is anti-socialist, by definition. Turns out your knowledge of political terminology, while broader than that of the Yanks, is just as shallow.

The idea of the welfare state isn't anti-socialist. Where do you get that from?

Look, please try not to be too aggressive with me on this, TDC. It won't help you.

The idea of the welfare state in Germany has been anti-socialist indeed when the state health and invalidity insurances, state pension scheme and unemployment insurancy have been introduced in the 1880s by the conservative chancellor Bismarck. Late 19th century ... No government ever since abolished it.

The political intentions - to reduce the appeal of social democracy - did not work as planned but the basic idea was followed by a number of governments in other european countries. Back in those days when conservative governments cared about the people ... or did not dare not to.

It's no use complaining the ignorance about those things in a country where for many decades any of these terms have been used only to demonise necessary political achievements for everybody's benefit.

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I posted relevant information.

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ORIGINAL: WickedsDesire

You dare lie about me? I, a verified profile, unlike your cacophony of muttery!
With a further reality 07757 901 443 or for those not in the UK + 44 7757 901 443
Skype is also available...simply ask
These are MY details to give

And the rest of you who are exactly?

It would be very unwise for anyone other than reality to fuk about with my number - are we clear all?

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II. Types of Socialism

Socialists tend to be active social and political theorists, and have developed a bewildering array of different schools of thought. These various schools disagree on almost everything, but they all agree that unchecked capitalism is a dangerous and destructive force. Also, these schools are not mutually exclusive: that is, many people borrow ideas from several different brands of socialism and form their own unique political perspective within the broad umbrella of socialism. Here is a small sample of some forms that socialism can take:..

b. Market Socialism

The government has an important role to play in protecting the poor, the environment, and future generations, but should not set prices or interfere too much in the market. Often combined with democratic socialism, or the view that socialism should be based on elections. Many countries in Europe pursue this model, which has helped them limit the effects of extreme poverty, but also imposes high tax burdens and in some cases, when not managed well, can create budget problems...

V. The History and Importance of Socialism

Socialists want to build on the accomplishments of their predecessors in the previous century and advocate for a society based on the model of Democratic Socialist countries such as Norway and Finland.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

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I posted relevant information.

Nobody said you didn't, pay attention.

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

FR

defining terms is important, but getting overly nitpicky to the point of contention and losing the larger point is not, nor is criticizing someone else because they don't hold to your particular definition of a word.

hopefully this will help:

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II. Types of Socialism

Socialists tend to be active social and political theorists, and have developed a bewildering array of different schools of thought. These various schools disagree on almost everything, but they all agree that unchecked capitalism is a dangerous and destructive force. Also, these schools are not mutually exclusive: that is, many people borrow ideas from several different brands of socialism and form their own unique political perspective within the broad umbrella of socialism. Here is a small sample of some forms that socialism can take:..

b. Market Socialism

The government has an important role to play in protecting the poor, the environment, and future generations, but should not set prices or interfere too much in the market. Often combined with democratic socialism, or the view that socialism should be based on elections. Many countries in Europe pursue this model, which has helped them limit the effects of extreme poverty, but also imposes high tax burdens and in some cases, when not managed well, can create budget problems...

V. The History and Importance of Socialism

Socialists want to build on the accomplishments of their predecessors in the previous century and advocate for a society based on the model of Democratic Socialist countries such as Norway and Finland.

http://philosophyterms.com/socialism/

in short---stop bitching about the term, according to your lights, being used wrongly and accept its a word with many broad meanings that can be used correctly in a number of ways.

at the same time, its worth sharing again, the underlying tension is one of individualism vs collectivism, and its often far more useful to think of things in those terms.

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in short---stop bitching about the term, according to your lights, being used wrongly

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

LOL
Yes dearie, whatever you say. Here's a cookie pat pat, no run along and let those with functioning brains have a chat.

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ORIGINAL: ThatDizzyChick

LOL
Yes dearie, whatever you say. Here's a cookie pat pat, no run along and let those with functioning brains have a chat.

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What have you accomplished with that functioning brain?

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ORIGINAL: bounty44

FR

defining terms is important, but getting overly nitpicky to the point of contention and losing the larger point is not, nor is criticizing someone else because they don't hold to your particular definition of a word.

hopefully this will help:

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II. Types of Socialism

Socialists tend to be active social and political theorists, and have developed a bewildering array of different schools of thought. These various schools disagree on almost everything, but they all agree that unchecked capitalism is a dangerous and destructive force. Also, these schools are not mutually exclusive: that is, many people borrow ideas from several different brands of socialism and form their own unique political perspective within the broad umbrella of socialism. Here is a small sample of some forms that socialism can take:..

b. Market Socialism

The government has an important role to play in protecting the poor, the environment, and future generations, but should not set prices or interfere too much in the market. Often combined with democratic socialism, or the view that socialism should be based on elections. Many countries in Europe pursue this model, which has helped them limit the effects of extreme poverty, but also imposes high tax burdens and in some cases, when not managed well, can create budget problems...

V. The History and Importance of Socialism

Socialists want to build on the accomplishments of their predecessors in the previous century and advocate for a society based on the model of Democratic Socialist countries such as Norway and Finland.

http://philosophyterms.com/socialism/

in short---stop bitching about the term, according to your lights, being used wrongly and accept its a word with many broad meanings that can be used correctly in a number of ways.

at the same time, its worth sharing again, the underlying tension is one of individualism vs collectivism, and its often far more useful to think of things in those terms.