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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 9:35:39 AM   
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Maybe he didn't recognize him as a neighbor



And that is entirely Zimmerman's fault. Why didn't he know his neighbors if it was so important. He didn't think of the Martin's as 'neighbors' because.....



....it was a dark and rainy night. How's your night vision, especially after driving down a lit street with oncoming headlights?


What are you talking about? The EVIDENCE CLEARLY SHOWS that Zimmerman spent plenty of time PARKED WATCHING MARTIN.

Or perhaps, are you suggesting that Zimmerman couldn't tell it was his neighbor because -- um -- "they all look alike" or something? I would hope not, but this case does bring that stuff to the top...


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 9:40:31 AM   
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Seriously, this has been gone over and over again. Even if he did do all you say, that still doesn't mean he knew who the kid was.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 9:43:18 AM   
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. Even if he did do all you say, that still doesn't mean he knew who the kid was.


Again, that is entirely the point. Zimmerman DID NOT KNOW HIS OWN NEIGHBOR. Not 'didn't recognize him that night", but to Zimmerman's mind, the black folk weren't neighbors... That's why he didn't bother to offer the kid a lift home out of the rain.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 9:49:53 AM   
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. Even if he did do all you say, that still doesn't mean he knew who the kid was.


Again, that is entirely the point. Zimmerman DID NOT KNOW HIS OWN NEIGHBOR. Not 'didn't recognize him that night", but to Zimmerman's mind, the black folk weren't neighbors... That's why he didn't bother to offer the kid a lift home out of the rain.

I can play this game all day too. Martin was NOT a neighbor, he was a transient (occasional) visitor. And maybe, just maybe, Zimmerman isn't in the habit of offering rides to ANYONE, much less someone he isn't familiar with. I know I'm not. Are you? I don't know what the color of the sky in your world is, but in mine it's a uniform shade of gray. In the past, whenever I offered a ride to someone I "knew", it always ended up with me having to do more than just offer a ride. There are maybe three people in my immediate vicinity I would EVER consider offering a ride too. One is disabled, another's a very good friend, and the last was good friends with my Mom. After that, it's a case of 'tough shit-you chose to go out in the rain'.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 9:55:11 AM   
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Maybe he didn't recognize him as a neighbor

And that is entirely Zimmerman's fault. Why didn't he know his neighbors if it was so important. He didn't think of the Martin's as 'neighbors' because.....


....it was a dark and rainy night. How's your night vision, especially after driving down a lit street with oncoming headlights?

according to Zimmy, he saw well enough to see the kids mouth moving/saying something as he came by Zimmy's vehicle.. (where the heck are these fictitous "oncoming headlights"? there was no mention of anyone else on the road or lights blinding poor Zimmy)..

Lets see what likely would have happened if Zimmy had rolled down his window & asked if the kid needed a ride home..
In all likelihood, the kid would have said "thanks but I am almost home anyway, I am staying with my dad just down the street".. end of story.. no dead kid.. no Zimmy in trouble..

and dont give me that "who offers a stranger a ride" line.. Zimmy had a loaded gun, remember?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 10:00:47 AM   
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according to Zimmy, he saw well enough to see the kids mouth moving/saying something as he came by Zimmy's vehicle.. (where the heck are these fictitous "oncoming headlights"? there was no mention of anyone else on the road or lights blinding poor Zimmy)..

Lets see what likely would have happened if Zimmy had rolled down his window & asked if the kid needed a ride home..
In all likelihood, the kid would have said "thanks but I am almost home anyway, I am staying with my dad just down the street".. end of story.. no dead kid.. no Zimmy in trouble..

and dont give me that "who offers a stranger a ride" line.. Zimmy had a loaded gun, remember?

Irrelevant. I carry a loaded gun too, and I don't offer rides to anyone but the three I mentioned above. Why is it so hard to understand why Zimmerman didn't offer the kid a ride? Do you do this?
ETA for this: When I say "oncoming headlights", I mean the aftereffects of driving down a street at night. Human eyes are not good at the changing light levels, and why does it matter so much that he had to offer the kid a ride home?

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 10:12:32 AM   
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Irrelevant. I carry a loaded gun too, and I don't offer rides to anyone but the three I mentioned above. Why is it so hard to understand why Zimmerman didn't offer the kid a ride? Do you do this?
ETA for this: When I say "oncoming headlights", I mean the aftereffects of driving down a street at night. Human eyes are not good at the changing light levels, and why does it matter so much that he had to offer the kid a ride home?

maybe for older eyes but Zimmy was only 28 at the time..

I dont offer people rides cuz I dont own a vehicle.. I do accept rides tho, from strangers, even from (gasp) rideshare ads on craigslist..

Imo.. its actually not so much offering someone (who is in your gated community & needed a key/passcode to get in) a ride, as the attitude of being friendly, rather than adversarial.. people do tend to be more open and friendly in return if you are that way to them.. Zimmy could have asked the kid in a friendly way if he was lost and gotten the same answer.. again.. no dead kid.. no Zimmy in trouble..

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 10:13:00 AM   
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Bullshit.



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Here's something to think about if you don't think that race is an issue here:

Trayvon Martin's family lived in the development longer than Zimmerman, so why didn't Zimmerman know who they were ( if he was so interested in helping his neighbors ) and why didn't he offer Trayvon Martin a lift home out of the rain?





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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 10:30:32 AM   
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. Even if he did do all you say, that still doesn't mean he knew who the kid was.


Again, that is entirely the point. Zimmerman DID NOT KNOW HIS OWN NEIGHBOR. Not 'didn't recognize him that night", but to Zimmerman's mind, the black folk weren't neighbors... That's why he didn't bother to offer the kid a lift home out of the rain.

That's b.s. Zimmerman did a lot for that black homelessman who was beaten up by a cops son and they tried to cover it up. Racist Zimmerman was at a black church handing out fliers for the community to rally and protest the Sanford P.D.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 10:48:21 AM   
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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 10:59:10 AM   
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Status: offline 		President Barack Obama responded Friday to the controversy over the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin in Florida.

"I said [earlier] that this could have been my son...." he said, in his extended, surprise remarks in the White House briefing room. "Another way of saying that is, Trayvon Martin could have been me 35 years ago."

The president also called for calm, saying violence "dishonors what happens to Trayvon, and his family."

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 11:00:37 AM   
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Lets see what likely would have happened if Zimmy had rolled down his window & asked if the kid needed a ride home..
In all likelihood, the kid would have said "thanks but I am almost home anyway, I am staying with my dad just down the street".. end of story.. no dead kid.. no Zimmy in trouble..


People going around giving each other nice warm glows of friendliness instead of being suspicious, pursuing them, stirring up aggression and then finally shooting the life away from them?

Sounds like commie talk to me.



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 11:06:27 AM   
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People going around giving each other nice warm glows of friendliness instead of being suspicious, pursuing them, stirring up aggression and then finally shooting the life away from them?

Sounds like commie talk to me.

I know.. but I cant help myself.. its the "Canadian" in me... there must be a 12-step program I can enroll in..


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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 11:07:47 AM   
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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 11:19:03 AM   
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Lets see what likely would have happened if Zimmy had rolled down his window & asked if the kid needed a ride home..
In all likelihood, the kid would have said "thanks but I am almost home anyway, I am staying with my dad just down the street".. end of story.. no dead kid.. no Zimmy in trouble..


People going around giving each other nice warm glows of friendliness instead of being suspicious, pursuing them, stirring up aggression and then finally shooting the life away from them?

Sounds like commie talk to me.





Or being a good capitalistic agressive bullying society, rolling down the window and sayin 'Hey!!! You fucking hoodie punk with your hat on backwards and your ass crack showing, what the fuck are you doing here?

But here is the route taken by both according to Zimmerman....who believes this bullshit?

http://www.hlntv.com/interactive/2013/06/17/zimmerman-trayvon-map-interactive

Three fuckin streets and he don't know the name of one, but knows it easily the next day?



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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 11:23:41 AM   
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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 12:07:42 PM   
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Irrelevant. I carry a loaded gun too, and I don't offer rides to anyone but the three I mentioned above. Why is it so hard to understand why Zimmerman didn't offer the kid a ride? Do you do this?
ETA for this: When I say "oncoming headlights", I mean the aftereffects of driving down a street at night. Human eyes are not good at the changing light levels, and why does it matter so much that he had to offer the kid a ride home?

maybe for older eyes but Zimmy was only 28 at the time..

I dont offer people rides cuz I dont own a vehicle.. I do accept rides tho, from strangers, even from (gasp) rideshare ads on craigslist..

Imo.. its actually not so much offering someone (who is in your gated community & needed a key/passcode to get in) a ride, as the attitude of being friendly, rather than adversarial.. people do tend to be more open and friendly in return if you are that way to them.. Zimmy could have asked the kid in a friendly way if he was lost and gotten the same answer.. again.. no dead kid.. no Zimmy in trouble..

I'd agree with that, but the fact of the matter (as related to and affirmed by a court of law), Martin did do some things that could have been considered questionable to a reasonable observer. He was being purposely evasive after discovering he was being followed/watched instead of approaching Zimmerman and asking him why was he following him. Not saying that Zimmerman didn't make mistakes-he made a number of them.

And just because you need a passkey/code to get in somewhere doesn't mean you can't get is. Trust me on this one. Most 'gated' communities have perimeters that are not difficult to breach if one desires to. I said this a couple hundred posts ago: both made mistakes. One died, one probably wishes he were dead. Nitpicking about how 'nice' someone should be doesn't change that.

The biggest thing about this that ticks me off is people who allow their emotions to decide what is 'right' and what happened. This is a disservice to not only the victim, but to the people who investigated the incident, and the entire state of Florida, which is going to eventually have to pay for all this BS. It was a routine (sorry if that seems cold to you) incident that became a political football to serve other interests than justice.

It's also become a major cash cow for a number of other interests, not the least the legal community, which stands to make bucketloads of cash out of this. And the media, which will make even more cash from the advertising revenue they garner by ensuring that eyeballs stay glued to screens. Oh, and I won't leave out the politicians here. They get a slice out of this pie by spinning this story into their fundraisers.

You want to make this a crime, there it is right above this sentence. The trial is over, and except for the DOJ and Holder's upcoming dickwaving over this, done. We'll be hearing about this for years to come, and not for the right reasons.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 12:09:14 PM   
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Firstly, we're not locking Zimmerman up. Secondly, this forum can't lock *anybody* up.

There are a couple of boobs in your post, Arturas.

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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 12:11:32 PM   
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RE: UNMODERATED ZIMMERMAN - 7/19/2013 12:12:54 PM   
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