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How many hundreds of houses in that subdivision? People moving in and out how often? And Trayvon went to school in Miami, but lived in that subdivision enough to be known on sight?

Bullshit.

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Here's something to think about if you don't think that race is an issue here:

Trayvon Martin's family lived in the development longer than Zimmerman, so why didn't Zimmerman know who they were ( if he was so interested in helping his neighbors ) and why didn't he offer Trayvon Martin a lift home out of the rain?

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Umpteenth time how could Zimmerman have possibly know Martin's age, not like he had time to card him,

We're not dealing with 'know', we're dealing with 'assume'.

So . . . why assume that he was an adult, then? Are tall thin teenaged boys that rare out there?

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Maybe he didn't recognize him as a neighbor

And that is entirely Zimmerman's fault. Why didn't he know his neighbors if it was so important. He didn't think of the Martin's as 'neighbors' because.....

....it was a dark and rainy night. How's your night vision, especially after driving down a lit street with oncoming headlights?

What are you talking about? The EVIDENCE CLEARLY SHOWS that Zimmerman spent plenty of time PARKED WATCHING MARTIN.

Or perhaps, are you suggesting that Zimmerman couldn't tell it was his neighbor because -- um -- "they all look alike" or something? I would hope not, but this case does bring that stuff to the top...

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. Even if he did do all you say, that still doesn't mean he knew who the kid was.

Again, that is entirely the point. Zimmerman DID NOT KNOW HIS OWN NEIGHBOR. Not 'didn't recognize him that night", but to Zimmerman's mind, the black folk weren't neighbors... That's why he didn't bother to offer the kid a lift home out of the rain.

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according to Zimmy, he saw well enough to see the kids mouth moving/saying something as he came by Zimmy's vehicle.. (where the heck are these fictitous "oncoming headlights"? there was no mention of anyone else on the road or lights blinding poor Zimmy)..

Lets see what likely would have happened if Zimmy had rolled down his window & asked if the kid needed a ride home..
In all likelihood, the kid would have said "thanks but I am almost home anyway, I am staying with my dad just down the street".. end of story.. no dead kid.. no Zimmy in trouble..

and dont give me that "who offers a stranger a ride" line.. Zimmy had a loaded gun, remember?

Irrelevant. I carry a loaded gun too, and I don't offer rides to anyone but the three I mentioned above. Why is it so hard to understand why Zimmerman didn't offer the kid a ride? Do you do this?
ETA for this: When I say "oncoming headlights", I mean the aftereffects of driving down a street at night. Human eyes are not good at the changing light levels, and why does it matter so much that he had to offer the kid a ride home?

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Martin did do some things that could have been considered questionable to a reasonable observer. He was being purposely evasive after discovering he was being followed/watched...

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ORIGINAL: Powergamz1

How many hundreds of houses in that subdivision? People moving in and out how often? And Trayvon went to school in Miami, but lived in that subdivision enough to be known on sight?

Bullshit.

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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Here's something to think about if you don't think that race is an issue here:

Trayvon Martin's family lived in the development longer than Zimmerman, so why didn't Zimmerman know who they were ( if he was so interested in helping his neighbors ) and why didn't he offer Trayvon Martin a lift home out of the rain?

Funny thing, Trayvon Martin's family lived there longer than Zimmerman's. So, It's MARTIN'S neighborhood which Zimmerman was invading, not the other way around.

If Zimmerman is going to appoint himself Judge, Jury, and Executioner, doesn't he have a positive duty to know those he might execute?

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WTF?
Now Z is expected to justify why he didn't give a stranger a ride?
A person who he, for whatever reason, he was suspicious of?
Holy cripes. You folks are reaching.
The appropriate answer to the question is,"Noneya"

Man, what do you folks smoke?
Please, do tell, cause whatever it is, I gotta get me some of that.

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. Even if he did do all you say, that still doesn't mean he knew who the kid was.

Again, that is entirely the point. Zimmerman DID NOT KNOW HIS OWN NEIGHBOR. Not 'didn't recognize him that night", but to Zimmerman's mind, the black folk weren't neighbors... That's why he didn't bother to offer the kid a lift home out of the rain.

You forget that martin's girlfriend said he attacked Zimmerman out of homophobia imagine the reaction if Zimmerman had invited him into his truck.

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Which member of the Martin family owned that residence (i.e. the name 'Martin' would have been on the mailbox)?

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I'd agree with that, but the fact of the matter (as related to and affirmed by a court of law), Martin did do some things that could have been considered questionable to a reasonable observer. He was being purposely evasive after discovering he was being followed/watched instead of approaching Zimmerman and asking him why was he following him. Not saying that Zimmerman didn't make mistakes-he made a number of them.

And just because you need a passkey/code to get in somewhere doesn't mean you can't get is. Trust me on this one. Most 'gated' communities have perimeters that are not difficult to breach if one desires to. I said this a couple hundred posts ago: both made mistakes. One died, one probably wishes he were dead. Nitpicking about how 'nice' someone should be doesn't change that.

The biggest thing about this that ticks me off is people who allow their emotions to decide what is 'right' and what happened. This is a disservice to not only the victim, but to the people who investigated the incident, and the entire state of Florida, which is going to eventually have to pay for all this BS. It was a routine (sorry if that seems cold to you) incident that became a political football to serve other interests than justice.

It's also become a major cash cow for a number of other interests, not the least the legal community, which stands to make bucketloads of cash out of this. And the media, which will make even more cash from the advertising revenue they garner by ensuring that eyeballs stay glued to screens. Oh, and I won't leave out the politicians here. They get a slice out of this pie by spinning this story into their fundraisers.

You want to make this a crime, there it is right above this sentence. The trial is over, and except for the DOJ and Holder's upcoming dickwaving over this, done. We'll be hearing about this for years to come, and not for the right reasons.

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Which member of the Martin family owned that residence (i.e. the name 'Martin' would have been on the mailbox)?

That doesn't go anywhere either though, the guy never talked to him and didnt know his name, he shot him instead.

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I would have been evasive and hiding and not gone home (to keep my location safe and so I would not be as easily found in future so as to be stalked)..

I know gated communities have holes in their security, I used to live in one and imo, unless you have a 24/7 guard, you will not be as secure as you think you are.. I know of a gated community in CA that has a 24/7 guard and about 10,000 residents and the crime rate is extremely low (some still does exist, there is no way to eliminate it 100%) so its one of the safest communities I know of.. My point about someone needing a passcode/key is that they have a right to be there, either cuz they live there or are legit visitors of someone that lives there..

The point of my post was that people, in the US in particular, are very adversarial, very "my rights trump yours", very easily offended, and tend to take the law into their own hand.. if people were less so, and saner, attempting to use calm, reason, commonsense, and treating people like you would like them to treat you.. then a lot less people would die due to the same/similar mistakes.. and there would be no political football to focus on..

Sure, the lawyers, politicians and media make money from this.. I dont agree with that either..

A kid is dead cuz some (gun toting) nutbar with a single digit IQ couldnt see a kid walking down a street at 7:30pm as anything but a "suspect".. and you are absolutely right, this is a "routine incident".. which means it happens with great frequency.. what does that say about this country?

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Which member of the Martin family owned that residence (i.e. the name 'Martin' would have been on the mailbox)?

That doesn't go anywhere either though, the guy never talked to him and didnt know his name, he shot him instead.

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Which member of the Martin family owned that residence (i.e. the name 'Martin' would have been on the mailbox)?

That doesn't go anywhere either though, the guy never talked to him and didnt know his name, he shot him instead.

When was the last time you asked a six foot tall teenage youth with face tattoos and a hoodie if he needed a ride at nite?
Not trying to stir shit, seriously asking.
Last time I picked up a stranger who wasn't standing next to a smoking cars was years ago. And if they'd had face tattoos and raised my hackles-no freaking way.
Sorry, not trying to sound prejudiced against anyone who has/is into, face tattooing-it's just that society kinda sees it as the equivalent of tattooing Born To Lose across your visage.

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. Even if he did do all you say, that still doesn't mean he knew who the kid was.

Again, that is entirely the point. Zimmerman DID NOT KNOW HIS OWN NEIGHBOR. Not 'didn't recognize him that night", but to Zimmerman's mind, the black folk weren't neighbors... That's why he didn't bother to offer the kid a lift home out of the rain.