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alovelyone -> collar of protection (5/28/2007 6:23:16 PM)
I am looking for a consensus on what it means to be under someone collar of protection. I thought it meant that the sub had somene who watched over them, someone they could call on for help, someone to be there to protect them if needed but did not imply ownership. I accepted a collar of protection and now after several months have been told that it means I am his property and anyone who wants to play with me has to go through him and he is the one who negoitates I do not get a say. I'm really confused and am still talking to him about it but just wondered what others thought about this.

hereyesruponyou -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 6:31:19 PM)
To me it means what you two decide it means. I have known people for whom it meant either definition. It depends on how much "protection" you feel you need. If what he is not offering is what you desire than you need to straighten that out or move on, IMO

Masque66 -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 6:33:32 PM)
'Collar of protection' is a new one to me. I haven't heard of it before. But understand that before anything you are your own property. You give your control up, they don't take it. This is not something negotiable. It's not something you can be tricked into. If you didn't know you were becoming his property from minute one, then you weren't. You're not his property now and unless you decide so, you never will be.

earthycouple -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 6:34:09 PM)
I'm sorry but you will never get concensus on much here....everyone has their own opinions as to what everything means....from collar of protection to is my font black or dark gray. As for collar of protection... I believe it to mean a bit of both. What is protection? Is it from yourself or others? If you have a collar of protection to me it means while that person doesn't own you he is looking after your well being and should be included in the picking and choosing of potential play partners. Once this person with greater knowledge has given his opinion then you should take that opinion into great consideration. In my mind if you choose to ignore this person's opinion then what's the point? A mentor is more like what you mentioned first...someone to call for help and ask questions of. I personally don't believe in a collar of protection. If I care about someone, I'll help when I can and where he wants that help. I have a friend now who asks my opinion of people's profiles before he considers emailing them. It's up to him to make the final decision but he values my input.

Nosathro -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 6:35:19 PM)
greetings Goreans generally do not use collars of protection. However it is my general understanding that such collars are limited in scope. Meaning that the slave is not the property of a Master or Mistress but for a time under their guidance. If some other person wanted to use the slave the slave would referr that person to the Master who protects her. Be Well Nosathro

SadisticMan -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 6:36:31 PM)
kind of what a mentor provides a sub. ? I've found that a few subs with mentors are in effect collared mentally by them.

spanklette -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 6:42:39 PM)
Do a search on the forums for collars of protection...there are dozens of threads about them. In my opinion, they mean very little in the online realm, however, I can see their usefulness at a play party or event. But, it's your opinion that matters here. What does it mean to you? When you accepted this collar of protection, what were the guidelines set forth by the Dominant in question? If he's changed the rules on you, then I would no longer consider myself under his protection...in fact, I would think he was one of the people that I needed protection from.

Suleiman -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 6:44:50 PM)
Honey, there is no concensus. People can't even agree on the exact definition of slave, submissive, master, dominant, top or bottom. Collars are their own whole can of worms. It means whatever you and your partner/mentor/teacher/whatever agree that it means, and no matter what, SOMEONE will tell you that you got it wrong.

SadisticMan -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 6:50:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Suleiman Honey, there is no concensus. People can't even agree on the exact definition of slave, submissive, master, dominant, top or bottom. Collars are their own whole can of worms. It means whatever you and your partner/mentor/teacher/whatever agree that it means, and no matter what, SOMEONE will tell you that you got it wrong. amen to that

SimplyMichael -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 7:33:14 PM)
It generally means another sucker found a home.

octavia -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 7:44:23 PM)
glad I found this thread. I have been hearing about these lately. Been offered a few even. Personally I've chosen not to accept any so far. It just seems like I would loose the freedom I need to really talk to different Dom's and get to know them. Of course I'm not going to play parties etc atm so dont really understand what purpose they serve anyway. Well, except that it would be fun to play protected slave.... " Oh! I can't say yes.. you must go ask that big guy over there...." [sm=whoa.gif]

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 8:02:49 PM)
It means someones likes feeling that they aren't capable enough to take care of themselves like a responsible adult, but capable enough to choose someone else to be responsible for them. http://www.collarchat.com/m_961372/mpage_1/key_protection/tm.htm#961499 What are they protecting exactly? http://www.collarchat.com/m_928161/mpage_2/key_protector/tm.htm#928919 collars for protection http://www.collarchat.com/m_650375/mpage_1/key_protector/tm.htm#650457 under my protection http://www.collarchat.com/m_429158/mpage_1/key_protector/tm.htm#429174 protected submissive http://www.collarchat.com/m_297049/mpage_3/key_protector/tm.htm#297706 the need to protect

SadisticMan -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 8:20:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: alovelyone I accepted a collar of protection and now after several months have been told that it means I am his property and anyone who wants to play with me has to go through him I think we all missed her point here...... You are NOT his property, I would think that a collar of protection would not preclude him from becoming an ass about it. Sounds like a sneaky way to collar someone because he is a loser and he preys on new subs, offering his "collar of protection" as guidance then twisting it, taking advantage of your position. If this was a professional type of thing it would certainly be viewed as inappropriate without a doubt. As a post above said, you need protection from him. Go to some local munches, find the co-ordinators, they are generally well thought of in the community and talk with them, in public !! Don't take this kind of bull and think you have to live up to ever changing rules. Be safe and don't go alone with anyone.

VikingHouse -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 8:20:42 PM)
Once again another opportunistic predator reveals his simple-minded agenda to delude anewbie and we aren't privy to his name so that he can be ostracized into Oblivions Realm for some punishment tours. Why continue talking with the predator? Why even acknowledge his presence? I noted that you attend two different groups in Texas, I'm ot sure who they are or who manages them, but, I would urge you to discuss your filema with them. I DO NOT ACCEPT THAT PREDATORY shouldn't be outed in a group or minch. If you continue to tolerate his behaviour, I think that you're doing a disservice to those that might encounter him and think that he's okay-dokey. Gentry quote: ORIGINAL: alovelyone I am looking for a consensus on what it means to be under someone collar of protection. I thought it meant that the sub had somene who watched over them, someone they could call on for help, someone to be there to protect them if needed but did not imply ownership. I accepted a collar of protection and now after several months have been told that it means I am his property and anyone who wants to play with me has to go through him and he is the one who negoitates I do not get a say. I'm really confused and am still talking to him about it but just wondered what others thought about this.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 8:28:02 PM)
Exactly how is willingly taking a protection collar predatory behavior? Plenty of slaves who accept protection collars happily become owned by their protector in the future. This particular one doesn't want it- she should end it. Are we to eliminate everyone in the scene who has bad communication skills and makes undue assumptions?

SadisticMan -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 8:29:52 PM)
No, just the ones who change the rules mid-course without negotiation.

LuckyAlbatross -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 8:33:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SadisticMan No, just the ones who change the rules mid-course without negotiation. But people do that in relationships all the time, heck plenty of vanilla marriages turn into Ds relationships. Are they suddenly bad and wrong also? The only problem so far is that the dom has decided to change the rules. Guess what? She can say no and leave. So can he if she decided the rules had changed. People are just so quick to say "Bad dom! Lock him away!" and NOT make the person who got herself into this accountable in any form whatsoever.

SadisticMan -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 8:37:35 PM)
You do bring up good points there, the value of open discussions.

Evanesce -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 8:57:50 PM)
To me, a collar of protection is a big load of crap. However, to answer your question, a collar of protection means that you get to lean on someone else if you find yourself in a situation where another dominant doesn't want to take "No" for an answer. It doesn't mean the one offering said "protection" owns you. No one owns you until YOU say they own you, lovelyone. Your alleged protector needs to go back to dom school.

nearnyccouple -> RE: collar of protection (5/28/2007 9:08:43 PM)
is this an online collar or did you accept it real time? quite frankly if its online only i wonder who and what you need protection from? theres always the little x at the top of the screen that you can use to protect yourself. i have been to clubs where i received "tacit" protection from the Dominant friends that i attended with, and had no need for a collar.

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