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ORIGINAL: daddysprop247

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth


thing is, this slave wants to do Master's bidding...whatever that "bidding" might entail, even if there is suffering, distastefullness, sharing, unpleasanttry,etc....so which is it, is this slave being treated like property if she's willing and wants to do whatever Master directs to be done(no matter what), or is she only really, truly treated like property if Master manages to make her feel like responding "NO-WAY, Motherfucker, the slave doesn't want to do that!!!!" to one of his demands, at some point along the path? 

lmbo...if i even thought such a thing...forget about actually stating it aloud, but simply thought it, Daddy would sense it, knock my lights out, revive me with a bucket of water and some slaps, knock 'em back out again, revive me, then check me into the nearest mental health clinic, because i will have clearly lost my everlasting mind, lol.

wonderful post beth.

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ORIGINAL: Estring

I have told my slave that it is easy to be a slave when you are told to do something that you enjoy. The test is when you are told to do something you don't enjoy.
I think ownership goes beyond that though. You are owned when you wake up in the morning and instead of thinking, "what will I do today", you are thinking "what does Master need today". I may have my slave do something that she may enjoy, but it is done when I want it, not when she wants it.

Bravo

I am copying this one down Estring, can I add it to my online journal?

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ORIGINAL: TallDarkAndWitty

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

I'm not convinced and wonder whether a slave wouldn't be a possession rather than a piece of property. Semantics, semantics.

Could you explain what you see as the difference?

Taggard

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ORIGINAL: NefertariReborn

Taggard,

I got you way back at post 1.  There's a certain "thrill?" "pleasure?" in reinforcing for yourself that it (he/she/shim) is yours.  you push it to the limits knowing it has no choice but to respond.  And to think of the car analogy....you don't put your lumina in overdrive and head down the highway, the shit will fall apart.  your ferrari is built to do that, in fact if you run it too soft the damn thing's engine isn't happy.  Ppeople can claim all kinds of things until Tthey are in the trenches.  When the bullets fly that's when the true heroes, or at least those willing to do it scared but do it anyway, show themselves.  I like sending one to a friend's house and saying "Clean it!"  while she and I go shopping somewhere.  The look in My friend's eyes when she hears him say "Yes, Mistress!" and starts oganizing the clean up process, is enough adrenaline for a Mastercard afternoon.  Secretly inside I'm saying "Yes, girlfriend, I OWN that bitch!" and I get off on that.  To those who don't , bully for them. 

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ORIGINAL: kittinSol

'Property' implies a legally protected right  to enjoy the use of an object - land, real estate, chattel. Property doesn't constitute an object or a thing, it just represents an action. The notion arises where one can have his/her right to land or chattels respected and enforced by a court of law. Property must be acquired legitimately in order to be enjoyed as such. It transpires from this that a slave cannot constitute a piece of property since no legal contract may bind the object to its 'owner'.

By contrast, possession is a much vaguer principal. Possession is somewhere between physical detention and absolute ownership (as in property). For possession to occur, it's necessary that there is a physical detention of an object and the intention to hold the thing in question as one's own. Possession is incomplete ownership. I think it may be more suitable for the purpose of describing 'ownership of a slave' for fun and play. Or whatever rocks your boat, huh...

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I think it may be more suitable for the purpose of describing 'ownership of a slave' for fun and play. Or whatever rocks your boat, huh...

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ORIGINAL: MzMia

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ORIGINAL: NefertariReborn

Taggard,

I got you way back at post 1.  There's a certain "thrill?" "pleasure?" in reinforcing for yourself that it (he/she/shim) is yours.  you push it to the limits knowing it has no choice but to respond.  And to think of the car analogy....you don't put your lumina in overdrive and head down the highway, the shit will fall apart.  your ferrari is built to do that, in fact if you run it too soft the damn thing's engine isn't happy.  Ppeople can claim all kinds of things until Tthey are in the trenches.  When the bullets fly that's when the true heroes, or at least those willing to do it scared but do it anyway, show themselves.  I like sending one to a friend's house and saying "Clean it!"  while she and I go shopping somewhere.  The look in My friend's eyes when she hears him say "Yes, Mistress!" and starts oganizing the clean up process, is enough adrenaline for a Mastercard afternoon.  Secretly inside I'm saying "Yes, girlfriend, I OWN that bitch!" and I get off on that.  To those who don't , bully for them. 

I understand TOTALLY what Taggard means by {needing proof}, I need a lot of fucking proof.
Nefertari, you are my new collarme hero, YOU excite me.
hehehe
Okay Taggard, Nefertari and I are going to have a party and do some evil, nasty, and wicked things---
cause we like it like that.
Nefertari? how low can you go girl?

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ORIGINAL: BossyShoeBitch

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ORIGINAL: daddyscherry

Although i don't think that it all has to be unpleasant and distasteful i do agree with Taggard that there is something to be said for having to do things like this.

my Daddy said to me once that obeying when it was easy didn't mean as much as obeying when it was really difficult to do...where is the submission in obeying only the things that you want to obey or find pleasurable to do? If not challenged to submit in the face of something you might not readily agree with,desire or whatever then where is the submission?

It doesn't have to be a sharing thing and i am really not trying to say that what i described above is right or true or anything.....because a state of mind, regardless, can be a very powerful thing....

It can be something as simple as having to wear something that you don't want to wear....My Daddy once had me wear an outfit that just SCREAMED hooker out to meet an old friend of his....we were supposed to go to dinner in Beverly Hills to some posh place and here I was gonna look like I was rented entertainment....It felt awful at first....then i just accepted that my Daddy wanted me to wear it....it was a struggle though. But as HIS he can chose to have me dressed any way he chooses.

That's a small example...there have been other bigger ones, that i have just hd to grin and bear because that was what he wanted. Each time, it makes me personally feel more like his slave.

I have also had fantasies about this very thing, considering writing a story about it for my site....

Cherry,
It seems to me that you did write about something like this on your site (and I thoroughly enjoyed reading it.)

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ORIGINAL: daddyscherry
This is not too dissimilar at all from this whole thread...submitting to that which you would already want to do is submitting because you are doing it for the other person when they want you to etc. but doing something that you don't wish to do quite as much is just going alittle deeper in submission.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: daddyscherry
This is not too dissimilar at all from this whole thread...submitting to that which you would already want to do is submitting because you are doing it for the other person when they want you to etc. but doing something that you don't wish to do quite as much is just going alittle deeper in submission.

And that comparison is where the problem lies.

Is a mother more devoted because her birth was painful rather than easy?

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

Internal and external validation is something I still struggle with, sometimes I can subsist on internal and sometimes I need external but internal sure is a hell of a lot nicer.

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ORIGINAL: Estring

I have told my slave that it is easy to be a slave when you are told to do something that you enjoy. The test is when you are told to do something you don't enjoy.

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I think ownership goes beyond that though.  You are owned when you wake up in the morning and instead of thinking, "what will I do today", you are thinking "what does Master need today". I may have my slave do something that she may enjoy, but it is done when I want it, not when she wants it.

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

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ORIGINAL: daddyscherry
This is not too dissimilar at all from this whole thread...submitting to that which you would already want to do is submitting because you are doing it for the other person when they want you to etc. but doing something that you don't wish to do quite as much is just going alittle deeper in submission.

And that comparison is where the problem lies.

Is a mother more devoted because her birth was painful rather than easy?