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a gorean slave - 1/14/2004 11:23:52 AM

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this girl is an owned slave of an exacting Master. Trained in the Gorean style and living in the public worlds of a workplace, family who do not embrace this lifestyle choice, and a general community in which life goes on around us. We live our own values day in and day out and strive to be the best we can become.

This girl is not an expert on much of anything, and does not hold herself out to be so. Yet, is open to discussing and sharing information, attitudes and opinions in a non judgemental and non-intrusive way, should anyone be interested.

This is not an attempt to convert anyone to the Gorean ways, nor is it of any interest what others may think of core values held by this girl, that others might wish to see defended.

shai^tana

RE: a gorean slave - 1/14/2004 7:39:35 PM

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Ok... I'm sorry... what did you learn as a Gorean slave to be considered a gorean slave? The only things that I can possibly even think of that could be considered training Gorean style would be the Positions and the Serves. Other then that I would like to know what you have actually learned about BDSM.

-=> Satyr! <=-

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/14/2004 11:55:59 PM

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hi,
i am not a Gorean slave. however, i do have an interest in Gor, and from the reading i have done, the things that i did note is that it is is a way for a slave to learn that she is an object, also constant reinforcement of her place in a mans life, which is how my Dominant also believes... as well as the respect Gorean slaves must demonstrate to Domanants in order to be considered a Gorean slave. they usually carry themselves very well on-line.
i am a behavioral scientist who dedicated my life to slavery, and i guess i will always study people, hazard of the trade, lol. this slave loves to study different areas of the BDSM subculture, present to Master, or He presents to me, and We incorporate what fits us into our life. We have some Gor beliefs and Old Gaurd beliefs as well as our own beliefs. it makes us open-minded and well rounded.
peace to All!
s kim
slave to Sir Mike
24/7

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/15/2004 5:10:34 AM

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Good Morning Master LrdSatyr8

You have asked what this girl has actually learned about BDSM. The truth is, that being a slave to a Gorean Master for these years, whatever has been learned has been more about who and what this girl is, and less about the formal arena of BDSM. Something many people do not easily grasp is that even if there were no sexual intimacy, no bondage, no punishment, one could still be a slave. It would seem to be more about affecting how one views themselves, and where at their core, they feel most at peace. It is about un-learning what we were socialized to believe, and learning how there is greater freedom and peace of spirit when one embraces an attitude and belief system in one's life that feeels so totally right.

The Goreans have a very firmly established and entrenched view of themselves and the world around them. There is (minus the gamers of course) a solid and unshakeable belief in the proper order of things in the world, and how Masters and slaves must behave in order to be consistent with what nature intended. Yes, the books are filled with bondage and the "use" of slaves is clearly a huge factor. The books would be boring indeed if they were more of a psychological/sociological/behavioural technical manual. The bondage is a tangible method of conveying how tightly held is the Gorean slave. It is not only physically, but cognitively and in almost all other ways as well. It is an example of a harsh reality, and may be seen as a metaphor for examples of that harshness in life in general. For example, in the world when the work arena for this girl becomes stressful and demanding, it is the mental toughness and discipline learned as a Gorean slave that is the most helpful tool to cope, and put things in their place. A Gorean slave knows the value of learning to acquiesce, and bowing to a stronger power.

A Gorean slave is far more than stylized behaviours, yet those are an integral part of the expectations. To be a Gorean slave, one has to embrace the learning of what is meant by those positions. There is a great deal to study and work through. It is not a matter of behaving in a certain fashion because it is described in the books. In our realities sometimes the "books" have to be modified to address a girl who may have a physical ailment or deformity which precludes a certain position, and certainly one would be hard pressed to see anyone try to toss a girl to a sleen, thalarion, or tarn.

Its about the harshness of what happens when a slave (or Master for that matter) deviates too far from the position Goreans believe life intends for each to have. The Goreans see that having significant and perhaps severe consequences. They simply see that life intends one to Master or lead, and one to follow and submit. They know which is which, and have little patience when either steps outside that definition. For the Masters it is much concerned with the attriiibute of Honour, and this is indeed a cornerstone.

Its not at all really about BDSM at the heart of things. After all, BDSM in general senses describes more activities than mentatlities or structured means of seeing the world. There is probably more variance within BDSM-ers than within Goreans living in the world.Its more about

first how you see yourself

next, how you see yourself interacting in the world at a level that feels comfortable deep inside you and is consistent with your views of your place in life

knowing that a stylized way of Gorean life exists in the Norman books, and as with all recorded patterns of living, one takes from it, what one finds is relevant, helpful to provide a foundation for your life and functioning, and possible given circumstances. (Just as people do with Biblical texts, self help books, diet plans etc)

striving to fulfil the expectations that the Gorean beliefs hold.

Perhaps this has done something toward answering what You have posted.
shai^tana

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/15/2004 5:12:56 AM

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nice to hear from you candyslave.

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/15/2004 1:09:41 PM

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this girl has been trained in the ways of Gor, she began as a bdsm slave and then found Gor, it was the total and complete surrender of the Gorean slave that drew her to this lifestyle, as we live on earth there are many things of the Gorean books that can not be lived here, but the bottom line of the Gorean slave is total obedience, and that is what kayra strives for on a daily basis... kayra wishes the Free well and sweet service to the slaves

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/16/2004 6:26:12 PM

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In regards to LrdSatyr8:

I am relatively new to the lifestyle and still forming opinions and experience in both the Gorean and BDSM styles. I see both styles as attractive and both styles as legitimate. I do not partake in a combative GOR vs. BDSM mentality ,as many do, for I do not see one as being "better" or more "legitimate". I am oft surprised that either side would take an aggressive stance against one or another style. I see this as a weakness in one's own beliefs. After all the lifestyle, whatever path one may choose, is a personal choice. Perhaps I am naive in thinking that all of us should get along and support eachother in what is overall a Dominant/Submissive lifestyle.

I understand that Gorean ways take the Dominance and submission to a deeper, not better, level and strives to create an atmosphere of true ownership. This can be done in BDSM, but it is not a pervasive,mandatory ideology of BDSM. I think most can agree that what is BDSM can be defined in many ways and the participants have a wide variance in style and etiquette. Gor, however, does not. There is a prescribed etiquette and variance is not easily ,if at all, tolerated.

In essence Gor and BDSM entertwine and the onlooker may see no difference, other than a fictional story attached to one sides philosophy. The difference that I see is what comes down to terminology and mindset. What is a submissive? What is a slave? How do the two factions define these two? Are they one and the same? Perhaps the answer comes down to the power of "NO" and the level of power each, the submissive and slave, believes it holds.

I, for one, find Gor fascinating. I am not sure if it is the path that I would choose, but I see the honor in it. And if I choose it then a girl will have pride in it. Thank you shai^tana for the willingness to discuss the lifestyle and bring to light your views on the matter. I wish you and your Master well. ~tyger

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/17/2004 4:59:16 PM

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Hello, shai^tana:

Thank you for your post; it is good to hear the thoughts of another who lives the "Gorean lifestyle" as it is termed - especially in that you spoke so clearly on the way such is lived; not a role-play game, but a true commitment and living of certain principles, a way of thinking and be-ing that goes against the grain for many, but is exactly what some need, and desire, and find their 'place' in...

This girl is in training with a Gorean Master, as of very recently; He acts in the role of Mentor and Teacher to the girl. She is also talking with and getting to know, One who had expressed interest in a girl, to Master (though He does not own this girl, she is permitted to call Him that to help remind her of her place).

So, in everyday English, as most here don't usually communicate in third-person speech *G*... I find it is both the security and solidity in the Gorean philosophy and mindset, that for me is the place I belong. As someone else said, it is primarily an understanding of one's place, very clearly defined and delineated.

To give oneself completely to Another as Their posession....is to be completely vulnerable. But knowing that a Gorean Master holds his Honor above all, understands the depth of responsibility that goes with ownership, and knows that that is HIS place, gives one the security and safety to so give herself to Him; knowing He will use her to whatever degree, and in whatever ways, please Him, but that He in turn will do whatever is needful to keep the slave in "good running condition" - physically, mentally, emotionally - she doesn't need to concern herself with those things, only to be always 'transparent' to Him in order that He have the information He needs about her.

I have need to NOT struggle with how much authority or say-so each person has in the relationship, for me that sort of constant negotiation as to roles and extent is unsettled, unsettling, insecure, too free-floating... and as slave, it is very clear Who chooses, both for Himself and for me. I find i thrive in situations where the expectations of mind/attitude, behavior, and action are very clear - and in "this" place, i am not left to my own whims of when i decide i want to submit, and when i'm just 'not in the mood'. I am slave, i serve - and that is my place, that is my purpose. That removes a world of struggles and conflicts, for me, right there!

There is a very intense self-discipline a slave must learn; all the small things, and large things, that are required of her. Everything she is, the things she does, her behavior and demeanor around others, all reflect on her Master and His ownership. Her focus is on Him, what pleases Him and how... she could 'choose' to do things her own way, but then it has become a more conventional D/s relationship, hasn't it? - with the struggle for who-takes-responsibility-for-what.

But, for those who find that their place is within the structure, discipline, depth of responsibility, and understanding of one's clear place and purpose in the 'scheme of things' that to me summarize what "Gorean lifestyle" means, those things - the security, the discipline, the 'dying to self' and focus on her Master's needs, wants, preferences that a slave learns - fulfill her, complete her, in a way that a D/s or equal-power relationship could never do.

Of course, a Master has His own responsibilities - if it's Your possession, You have to do 'periodic maintenance' at least..... but that's not for this girl to worry about - thank goodness!

I was given a very sharp reminder, just yesterday, in talking with a coworker who is a social worker, of how "twisted and unhealthy" the entire realm of BDSM is considered by the 'vanilla' world -- her ex was a strong Dominant, though i think neither were aware of such a thing. She shared how He was One who needed to nurture and protect what she called "needy women" -- and that He was a control-freak, to boot. She made it very clear that, within her 'mental framework' as a social worker, such personality qualities were perverted, sick, abusive... but He sounded to this girl a very loving and strong Dominant - though, with the coworker being a 'control' person herself, a girl can see what a power-struggle would have characterized that relationship. BUT ...... was reminded that we are all pretty "odd" at the very least, when seen from a 'vanilla' perspective - so isn't all the argument about "sub or slave?" or talk of how this-or-that isn't "real" BDSM, just something that divides us, who are the only support we have, each other, against a pretty hostile society?

walk in light,
facets

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/18/2004 12:54:25 PM

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Hello Facets

Thank you for your post. It is very nice to read of the experiences of others and the ways in which the lifestyle choices they make, serve to bring them a deeper sense of themselves and closer to what they crave at their core.
Again, thank you for your post.

shai^tana

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/18/2004 5:43:42 PM

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Many who are more bdsm centric seem to have great difficulty with undersanding Gorean concepts.

Basically all the John Norman did was take old cultural models from our past and incorporate them into a sci fi setting, where they could play out unimpeded by modern concens.

But what Gor does have, is a common belief system that stresses consistency honor and focus as main ingredients of it's culture.

Those who choose it feel comfortable within it's framework,and tend to be adamant in not being swayed from thier convictions.

Naturally, this tends not to play very well with those who have a "do your own thing" view of life.

But what I actually enjoy the most about Gor is it expresses a *life* rather than merely *play* philosophy.

In may ways, I wish the scene in general could be more so.

Regards Terry

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/18/2004 7:52:29 PM

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Great reply Terry... short... to the point... and dead on.

ModTwo

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/28/2004 8:40:06 AM

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~smiles~
at both the slaves and Free's comments..... you give your Master honor shai^tana in your words, ways and in the eyes of the public. What Free, Man, Woman, Dominant, Vanilla would not desire to have that which gives Them the same thing of any suplicant? (Looks up at ModII and * blinks~)
Honor, Respect,Commitment, Integrity, Desire,Devotion, Selfless Love.

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RE: a gorean slave - 1/28/2004 1:09:16 PM

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MistressDREAD

It is kind of You to take the time and express Your thoughts, which have been related to the Master of this slave. This girl can only be gratified and proud of her slavery, yet again.

shai^tana

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RE: a gorean slave - 2/9/2004 6:14:00 AM

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walks in to post My ADVO here but after looking over the Gorean slaves area knows that they do not need it smiles and carries on down the hall..............

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RE: a gorean slave - 2/9/2004 2:09:21 PM

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Greetings

Another site that is also helpful to subs/slaves and Master and Mistress's alike is www.dslifestyles.net among the many hundreds available . Tho this one was not a member at the time of your recent discussion, am hoping that it may provide some light tho it looks it has been covered. *smiles* This one hopes all to Be Well
Kajira rani

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RE: a gorean slave - 12/12/2004 5:35:49 PM

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As a long time fan of science fiction and fantasy, including works that feature slavery and mastery in exotic detail, I have been faccinated with Gorean training for a long time. I read much about Gorean training, and find it quite interesting. Some aspects of it really appeal to me. I have thought about getting a gorean trained slave (kajira?) and enjoying her service to me. I have also studied Old Leather and Old Guard, and find similar strict training fascinating.

Unfortunately, as much as I like being a Dom, and doing sub/slave training, I am not comfortable with it as a 24/7 lifestyle. I do not require that I be bowed down to, eyes downcast, as I enter a room, or whatever.

I might demand that my sub follow my instructions to the letter, and have her acknowledge that she deserves punishment if she does not perform correctly, but I see that as a very different "play" approach from Gorean. Some people, who are heavily ritualistic-minded, or who otherwise find comfort and solace in strict M/s protocol enjoy it, and I wish all those people well. It just does not appeal completely to me.

Thank you for your posts. I really enjoyed reading them.

Take care!

Dom Mark

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RE: Information - 5/19/2005 3:12:45 AM

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Excuse me. I would like to know What is The SLAVECONTRACT?

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RE: a gorean slave - 5/19/2005 7:40:37 AM

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ORIGINAL: shai^tana

this girl is an owned slave of an exacting Master. Trained in the Gorean style and living in the public worlds of a workplace, family who do not embrace this lifestyle choice, and a general community in which life goes on around us.

Hi shai^tana,

Your post is eloquently written, and it's nice for a change to see the entire thread is staying in a civilized, polite demeanor. <G>

My question for you is this: Does your family know your lifestyle choice and what (if any) is their reaction to it?

cello

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RE: a gorean slave - 5/30/2005 2:21:44 PM

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this one has followed this thread with interest, so far. he is also a slave, though of the male persuasion, and as such is currently online....

where do male Gorean slaves go in this place????

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A lighter view of Gorean slavery - 5/30/2005 5:22:42 PM

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There's "gorean" as total long-term submission, which is one thing, and there's light play in the Gorean style. The latter can be fun for any submissive.

Take her out in an skimpy outfit. One that's skimpier than she's comfortable with. Insist that she stand up straight and carry herself proudly. A slave is not allowed shame. If a man looks at her, she must meet his eyes, not look down. If a woman looks daggers at her, she must look back and perhaps smile a bit.

A slave is not permitted to adjust her clothing for modesty, If too much shows, so be it. Of course, panties are never worn, unless they are all that is worn.

By the end of the evening, she'll be ready to be taken and used. You'll find out what slave heat is.

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