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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 1:12:32 AM

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by Susan Shields
Is Mother Teresa's Missionaires of Charity really what it looks like, from outside? Find out the untold story of what goes on inside, as former nun Susan Shields unreveals secrets.
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The following article has been published in arrangement with the Free Inquiry magazine, USA. We are grateful to them and Jahed Ahmed to make this article available to us.

Yes very reliable source - wonder what religion Ahmed is and what possible motivation there could have been there

Are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that because someone affiliated with the publication containing the FIRST PERSON ACCOUNT has the last name "Ahmed", that has any impact on HER credibility as an author?

If so, then you owe all of us an apology for having to witness you embarrassing yourself.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 1:14:28 AM

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-doing the best she knew how, to care for the poor and dying?

Obviously "the best she knew how", didn't include antibiotics if she knew that your dying soul would go to what she believes to be "heaven"...

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 1:25:14 AM

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Thanks for listening. That last post wore me out (not yours, mine). But I appreciate what you say, UR2Badored: It's clear, like you said before- she just had to be a Total Monster to live her life the way she did, and win the Nobel Peace Prize (sarcasm intended).

I don't want to beat it to death - I pretty much summed up everything I've got to say with that last post (never say never, but if that's not good enough, I don't know what would be. From me, anyway).

farglebargle: So? And? what does that really prove? What is it proof of? PROOF!? Did you see the delineation between Hearsay evidence, and Proof in that last post of mine? It applies. Opinions are not facts.** Nor are they necesarily indicators of a pervasive, systemic, enduring phenomenon. When you can prove they were, I am all ears. tr reading thuis thread from beginning to end - it's just not that long (or at least the last post I wrote). Pretty Please? My typing finger is just getting all calloused. Thanks in advance.

kittensol: re: Your long post about the Mother of Charity sister, etc you cited on this last page: That's fine - she has a right to any opinion -but she is still just one person, it is only one opinion - even if she differred with Mother Theresa.You ever differ with your boss about anything? I think this hardly completely devalues Mother Theresa's entire life's work, or the fact she won a Nobel Peace Prize, IMO (and to know why I believe this, I refer you to my most recent post on this thread - 'cuz my fingers are tired).

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 1:43:26 AM

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-doing the best she knew how, to care for the poor and dying?

Obviously "the best she knew how", didn't include antibiotics if she knew that your dying soul would go to what she believes to be "heaven"...

Yes, a good point I struggle with that too.
I understand a third world country would be substandard. Heck, Here in the US some of the New Orleans Hospitals, prior to Katrina I believe were substandard.

However, the money that was being raked in......it seems that your concerns could have been addressed.

Susan--It is way too late for that-- the horse has been beatened to death and has started the epoxification process. We have glue, now.
Go to sleep!

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 1:46:46 AM

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I know, I know, I am going now (really. I am tired. Nighty night, UR2Badored. See 'ya round sometime soon)...

*Wow. I just now realized that if someone on this thread - who has vehemently posted as "proving" Mother Theresa is a total fruad - had even bothered to even read the sources he cited - he'd have realized Mother Theresa had been Beatified, not Canonized as a saint (because the source they used did say that in the very first paragraph of his "Mommie Dearest" citation (by Christopher Hitchens). Hmmm.

I think that if that someone can barely manange to maybe not even skim the first paragraph (much less read) their own sources they are citing as "evidence" (Hearsay evidence, I might add) then maybe someone's strong opinion's ought not to be taken very seriously? I dunno - it's a judgment call. Hmmm.

P.S. That is not an Ad Hominem attack. I consider it a very valid point of a true debate. If we keep debating this, I am going to need to require they be very, very specific about facts vs. Hearsay evidence, and things like burden of proof, and how the are met.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 1:59:50 AM

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So the truth is irrelevant to you? All that matters to you is the PR machine not facts? Thanks for the info, I can safely ignore any further ignorant bleatings you may make.

The "truth" according to who? Why don't you provide any sources for the "truth" you have stated? Where did you get all of this "truth" from? Sorry but, i always consider the source of the "truth" i am being given.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 2:08:56 AM

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Fast reply:

At first I thought the vulture of Calcutta to be a psychopath. (See quotes below.) But then I stumbled across this description of Sadistic Personality Disorder (http://samvak.tripod.com/personalitydisorders31.html): "Sadists like to inflict pain because they find suffering, both corporeal and psychological, amusing. They torture animals and people because, to them, the sights and sounds of a creature writhing in agony are hilarious and pleasurable. Sadists go to great lengths to hurt others: they lie, deceive, commit crimes, and even make personal sacrifices merely so as to enjoy the cathartic moment of witnessing someone else's misery.

Sadists are masters of abuse by proxy and ambient abuse. They terrorize and intimidate even their nearest and dearest into doing their bidding. They create an aura and atmosphere of unmitigated yet diffuse dread and consternation. This they achieve by promulgating complex "rules of the house" that restrict the autonomy of their dependants (spouses, children, employees, patients, clients, etc.). They have the final word and are the ultimate law. They must be obeyed, no matter how arbitrary and senseless are their rulings and decisions.

Most sadists are fascinated by gore and violence. They are vicarious serial killers: they channel their homicidal urges in socially acceptable ways by "studying" and admiring historical figures such as Hitler, for instance. They love guns and other weapons, are fascinated by death, torture, and martial arts in all their forms".

Psychopath quotes from wikipedia: "The prototypical psychopath has deficits or deviances in several areas: interpersonal relationships, emotion, and self-control. Psychopaths lack a sense of guilt or remorse for any harm they may have caused others, instead rationalizing the behavior, blaming someone else, or denying it outright. Psychopaths also lack empathy towards others in general, resulting in tactlessness, insensitivity, and contemptuousness. All of this belies their tendency to make a good, likable first impression. Psychopaths have a superficial charm about them, enabled by their low self-consciousness, a willingness to say anything without concern for accuracy or truth. This extends into their pathological lying and willingness to con and manipulate others for personal gain or amusement. The prototypical psychopath's emotions are described as a shallow affect, meaning their overall way of relating is characterized by mere displays of friendliness and other emotion for personal gain; the displayed emotion need not correlate with felt emotion, in other words. Shallow affect also describes the psychopath's tendency for genuine emotion to be short lived and egocentric with an overall cold demeanor".

"psychopaths are also careless in the way they treat themselves. They frequently fail to alter their behavior in a way that would prevent them from enduring future discomfort".

"It is thought that any emotions which the primary psychopath exhibits are the fruits of watching and mimicking other people's emotions".

"They have no empathy, remorse, anxiety or guilt in relation to their behavior. In short, they truly are devoid of conscience. However, they understand that society expects them to behave in a conscientious manner, and therefore they mimic this behavior when it suits their needs".

Quote from another forum: "A few articles state that a highly intelligent/educated psychopath can be disciplined and achieve long-term goals, so as to fulfill his urges without resorting to crime. Such people might be overrepresented in criminal law, surgical medicine and business. This seems to indicate a conscious control on the affective dimension of his mind".

Quote from another website (http://www.human-nature.com/nibbs/01/psychopathy.html): "What is most outstanding about psychopaths is that they appear extremely at ease with themselves. They can be articulate, are often highly intelligent, and are regularly described as ‘charming’, and ‘convincing’".

Quote from another website (http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20061209/bob9.asp): "The 34 men with high scores on a psychopathy test gave him a surprise. Despite many investigators' assumption that psychopathic criminals lack self-control and often act impulsively, most of the psychopathic Canadian killers had planned the ruthless, cold-blooded murders that they had committed".

Someone with Sadistic Personality Disorder does not become a good person when she dresses in the clothes of a nun and does not become a christian because she is a member of the catholic church. These were merely disguises that allowed the vulture of Calcutta to relish in and to contribute to the suffering of other people.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 2:39:06 AM

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Well, Hey: I hear you and everything, BUT -It's not like that counter-points to those points have already been covered (3 times, in various ways) or anything. Maybe I am one too, then - or you. Oh wow -so is my niece, maybe (maybe not, though). Whaddya know?

This "proves" Mother Theresa definitely is one then Rule? *Can you say: Interesting POV, possibly, but still Hearsay "evidence"?

I wonder how many other Pyschopathic Sadists have ever won the Nobel Peace Prize?

Any guesses? You're just the person to answer that question, Rule. Give it a shot. With reasons why you think so -behind all of the the theorizing, too. I am truly fascinated. If you think I don't understand where you are going...you are dead wrong. So go ahead - give it a go.

***Major point to consider: Prove that even if you think so, that is wasn't concensual. I don't mean opine - I mean prove it.

Although, I have to say - I do think proving Psychopath (even if you ever managed to prove Sadist) is going a bit far, don't you?

Especially if you're gonna cite Wikipedia as your arm-chair psychoanalyzing source.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 3:22:41 AM

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This "proves" Mother Theresa definitely is one then

She meets the criteria of both SPD and psychopath:
make personal sacrifices
promulgating complex "rules of the house" that restrict the autonomy of their dependants
must be obeyed, no matter how arbitrary and senseless are their rulings and decisions
fascinated by gore and violence
vicarious serial killers
are fascinated by death, torture
deficits or deviances in ... interpersonal relationships, emotion
rationalizing the behavior
tendency to make a good, likable first impression
superficial charm
willingness to con and manipulate others for personal gain
careless in the way they treat themselves
disciplined and [able to] achieve long-term goals
extremely at ease with themselves.
articulate
highly intelligent
‘charming’
‘convincing’

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*Can you say: Interesting POV, possibly, but still Hearsay "evidence"?

I do not am a source-snob. I am able to determine truth and untruth myself. I am not dependent on a majority consensus, nor on Institutions nor Reputations to decide for me what is right and wrong, true or false.

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I wonder how many other Pyschopathic Sadists have ever won the Nobel Peace Prize?

So do I.

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO
Any guesses?

How about Kissinger and how about Amnesty International? How about the International Committee of the Red Cross? How about Médecins sans frontiers?

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ORIGINAL: SusanofO
***Major point to consider: Prove that even if you think so, that is wasn't concensual.

That what wasn't consensual? I have no idea what you are talking about.

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Although, I have to say - I do think proving Psychopath (even if you ever managed to prove Sadist) is going a bit far, don't you?

No, I do not think that is going far. SPD may be seen as a subcategory of psychopath. There clearly is some overlap between SPD and psychopath.

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Especially if you're gonna cite Wikipedia as your arm-chair psychoanalyzing source.

I repeat: I do not am a source snob. Nor do I use bold lettertypes as often as you do.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 3:31:53 AM

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Rule: Well, you figure parts of that out - with proof that is less than "Hearsay" or opinion - and please do let me know what you come up with. I am truly mesmerized - fascinated. But I gotta get some sleep sometime today.

I simply can't do much more right now; Hell - SugarMyChurro isn't even bothering to his read his own source citations (I mean he would have know n about Mother Theresa being Beatified, vs. Canonized, if he was. It is in the first paragraph of "Mommie Dearest" article by Christopher Hitchens,on n Salon.com he just today cited as a source of "proof").

Gimme a Break.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 3:53:32 AM

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Using Google on "mother Theresa is a sadist" I got only one hit that was accessible only by cache. It has a You Tube movie in two parts. I do not know what was said in the movie as my speakers are not connected to my computer.

Using Google on "mother Theresa" in combination with "was a sadist" I got four pertinent hits.

Quote of the first hit: "Originally Posted by iceman299: 'I'd like to hear Penn's theory on Mother Teresa's sexual kicks off of dying people'.

'He never said it was a sexual kick, he used the word "kink" and it was clearly sarcastic'".

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 3:58:05 AM

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Rule - This actually isn't meant for you. - I ran across this on the Internet - and thought it could be helpful in this thread, for people who love to cite their opinions as (apparently) irrefutable facts, etc. I am not referring to you - I do think it will help this diuscussion generally (hope you believe me when day that) But I am going to bed now. So see ya'll later.
I am not attempting to be consecending in any way, toward anyone - I genuinely think it might help discussion.

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Critical Thinking

FACTS, OPINIONS and REASONED JUDGEMENTSContributed by: Patty Illing, Reading Lab, Longview Community College
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FACT: Statement of actuality or occurrence. A fact is based on direct evidence, actual experience, or observation.
OPINION: Statement of belief or feeling. It shows one's feelings about a subject. Solid opinions, while based on facts, are someone's views on a subject and not facts themselves.
REASONED JUDGEMENTS: These are conclusions reached by an individual based on premises which can be either facts or opinions. In Critical Thinking, we are most interested in Well - Reasoned Judgements, since it is these alone which advance our knowledge. The memorization of facts or the impassioned proclamation of opinions will not do this.

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The analysis of these "opinions" or conceptual premises is rather complex, involving the reconstruction of the conceptual theory being offered, and the criticism of that theory. We will approach this analysis in a step -by-step method using a flow chart for analyzing the Conceptual Theories offered by these premises.

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Does the author have the skill and experience to make such a statement?
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Are the facts relevant to the point being made?
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Do the facts prove the claim being made or do they merely suggest that the claim is reasonable?

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Remember that your acceptance of an author's opinion or claim depends on your own view of the subject and of the writer's work. To help evaluate an author's ideas, you need a clear understanding of your opinions. One way to do this is to keep a reading journal in which you record your thoughts and reasons as to why you agree or disagree with the author. This journal will help you define your ideas and give you a starting point for a more thorough exploration of the topic. You might also try to write a journal entry for each argument you consider in which you attempt to defend the viewpoint of the author. Remember, there are intellectual standards which apply to the expression of "facts" and "opinions" just as there are intellectual standards which apply to "Reasoned Judgements".

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 4:14:06 AM

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There is a short biography of Mother Theresa below. She's won a few other awards besides the Nobel Peace Prize. Hmmm.The actual scope of her work also involved much more than work with only the Missionaries of Charity.

Mother Teresa The Nobel Peace Prize 1979 Biography

Mother Teresa was born Agnes Gonxha Bojaxhiu in Skopje*, Macedonia, on August 27, 1910. Her family was of Albanian descent. At the age of twelve, she felt strongly the call of God. She knew she had to be a missionary to spread the love of Christ. At the age of eighteen she left her parental home in Skopje and joined the Sisters of Loreto, an Irish community of nuns with missions in India. After a few months' training in Dublin she was sent to India, where on May 24, 1931, she took her initial vows as a nun. From 1931 to 1948 Mother Teresa taught at St. Mary's High School in Calcutta, but the suffering and poverty she glimpsed outside the convent walls made such a deep impression on her that in 1948 she received permission from her superiors to leave the convent school and devote herself to working among the poorest of the poor in the slums of Calcutta. Although she had no funds, she depended on Divine Providence, and started an open-air school for slum children. Soon she was joined by voluntary helpers, and financial support was also forthcoming. This made it possible for her to extend the scope of her work.

On October 7, 1950, Mother Teresa received permission from the Holy See to start her own order, "The Missionaries of Charity", whose primary task was to love and care for those persons nobody was prepared to look after. In 1965 the Society became an International Religious Family by a decree of Pope Paul VI.
Today the order comprises Active and Contemplative branches of Sisters and Brothers in many countries. In 1963 both the Contemplative branch of the Sisters and the Active branch of the Brothers was founded. In 1979 the Contemplative branch of the Brothers was added, and in 1984 the Priest branch was established.

The Society of Missionaries has spread all over the world, including the former Soviet Union and Eastern European countries. They provide effective help to the poorest of the poor in a number of countries in Asia, Africa, and Latin America, and they undertake relief work in the wake of natural catastrophes such as floods, epidemics, and famine, and for refugees. The order also has houses in North America, Europe and Australia, where they take care of the shut-ins, alcoholics, homeless, and AIDS sufferers.

The Missionaries of Charity throughout the world are aided and assisted by Co-Workers who became an official International Association on March 29, 1969. By the 1990s there were over one million Co-Workers in more than 40 countries. Along with the Co-Workers, the lay Missionaries of Charity try to follow Mother Teresa's spirit and charism in their families.
Mother Teresa's work has been recognised and acclaimed throughout the world and she has received a number of awards and distinctions, including the Pope John XXIII Peace Prize (1971) and the Nehru Prize for her promotion of international peace and understanding (1972). She also received the Balzan Prize (1979) and the Templeton and Magsaysay awards.
From Nobel Lectures, Peace 1971-1980, Editor-in-Charge Tore Frängsmyr, Editor Irwin Abrams, World Scientific Publishing Co., Singapore, 1997
This autobiography/biography was first published in the book series Les Prix Nobel. It was later edited and republished in Nobel Lectures. To cite this document, always state the source as shown above.

* Former Uskup, a town in the Turkish Empire which is now Skopje, capital of Republic of Macedonia.

Mother Teresa died on September 5, 1997.
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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 4:46:57 AM

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So? She was a greedy thief. She received lots of money intended to alleviate the suffering of the masses and her victims never saw an aspirin tablet's worth of it. All they got were blunt, non-sterilized hypodermic needles. Her getting these awards devalued all of them, has made any other person or institution that received the same award suspect, has made suspect the people that awarded the award. Anyone she ever associated with, including kings, popes and presidents, must be considered tainted.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 6:03:45 AM

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To try to make an argument that Mother Teresa had a sadistic personality disorder and was a psycopath is beyond ludicrous and ridiculous. It amazes me that you would even attempt something so incredulous. You have some deep seated need to tear this woman down, her ideology must threaten you in some way to make such a futile leap as to use such a tactic. To even begin to understand her just a little it would do you good to understand catholic theology.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 6:08:28 AM

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I think it is Catholic history that people are imprinting on MT's motives.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 6:11:55 AM

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Rule: You apparently missed, (or chose deliberately to completely ignore) the Critical Thinking thread I just posted then?

Or is this another one of those things you "just dont do"? perhaps (just 'cuz you don't wanna do it?)
I can appreciate cute Eccentric types - only to a point, though, he. It's nice if they frequently keep their opinions within the realm of the potentially proveable. When debating with me, that is.

Where's your possible proof?

Elaborate, please. How many patients? From where? In how many places?

Cite some evidence that is not a mere opinion, for definition of what this is - just go to that Critical Thinking post.

Then post some - a paragraph - anything - that actually proves (and is not mere opinion) that this:

1) Happened and was pervasive and-or also that it happened due to some kind of investigation by law enforcement.

2) Prove that it negates getting a Nobel Peace Prize.

P.S. Any religious hang-ups of yours, past or present - are not relevant - and not my problem to deal with - I am not going to - act like they are, or let any be some Albatross around my neck - so you can forget about that altogether.

How can you honestly expect anyone who takes this topic seriously -or who values true debate, and honest discussion -to seriously consider this POV of yours - if you don't even attempt to prove 1) and 2)?

This isn't just - tit-for -tat, post whatever opinion you feel like - and then pontificate on what an Objective Thinker you are. It doesn't quite work that way -

I've been fool enough to take this topic, and this topic's turn of events seriously - from some people who seemed to claim they wanted to debate. Wow - won't make that mistake with the same folks on another thread, that's for sure. They truly plain don't know how to do it - that's why they're not doing it. Sorry to be so blunt.

I cited 3-4 posts from other sources that you are just gonna blow off (But - note to SugarMyChurro: At least I read mine, first ).

I am not completely expecting this of you Rule- BUT - if you actually...

Just Don't care? Fine. Debate with yourself then. I have a long memory for that kind of thing, though (which I suppose can be good or bad depending on your POV).

But right now, I am exhausted, and gotta go, or I am really going to be in trouble.

- Susan

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 6:12:58 AM

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I'm an athiest and really don't get this thread. Fucking hell, she was a nun who tried to do some good in the world. She wasn't Hilter. She wasn't gassing innocent people to death or torturing them. I reckon she met a whole lot of people in her life, did any of them turn to Catholicism after meeting her? Actually, I have no idea

, but I wouldn't think they'd be flocking to the Vatican and demanding entry into the church. As always, all these claims come up when the person in question has carked it and can't defend themselves.

If you want to get mad, get mad, but at least pick on something worthwhile. This is just crap.

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RE: Mother Teresa's dark night of the soul - 8/26/2007 6:25:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: velvetears
To try to make an argument that Mother Teresa had a sadistic personality disorder and was a psycopath is beyond ludicrous and ridiculous.

Thank you.

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ORIGINAL: velvetears
It amazes me that you would even attempt something so incredulous.

Thank you again. I appreciate the flattery.

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ORIGINAL: velvetears
You have some deep seated need to tear this woman down

I have a deep seated need to yawn. *Yaaawn*

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ORIGINAL: velvetears
her ideology must threaten you in some way to make such a futile leap as to use such a tactic.

The rationalizations of people with SPD and / or psychopaths most certainly qualify as an ideology, yes. But convince me those rationalizations do not.

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ORIGINAL: velvetears
To even begin to understand her just a little it would do you good to understand catholic theology.

Fuck corrupted catholic ideology. Jesus healed the sick. He did not sit next to them to gloat as they suffered and died. Saint Paul cared about people. Any catholic ideology that promotes suffering has nothing to do with either Jesus or saint Paul, but is inherently evil.

< Message edited by Rule -- 8/26/2007 6:32:09 AM >

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