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Disappointed with Couch Potato Master - 6/22/2004 4:19:24 PM   
ravenblade


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I had entered what I had hoped to be a fulfilling slave relationship with a Master, but he turned out to be all talk and no action...He would talk the talk but held back in every way possible and needless to say it was disappointing...I found myself switching to the Dominant role and dominating him instead and talk about even a greater disappointed...

He wants to continue our relationship as my "Master" but it's been a disappointed how he has held back so much even to the point of that as much as I want to be his 24/7 slave..he tends to be very neglectful in my training...He wouldn't even force my submission and became a "Couch Potato of a Master" *sigh*.....


Now I find myself looking at wanting to learn how to become a Mistress in order to fufill that void my Couch Potato Master left in me...are there any good sites to recommend on how to be a Mistress or how to deal with someone who is not even a part-time Master...

*broken heart* ravenblade
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RE: Disappointed with Couch Potato Master - 6/22/2004 4:29:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ravenblade

Now I find myself looking at wanting to learn how to become a Mistress in order to fufill that void my Couch Potato Master left in me...are there any good sites to recommend on how to be a Mistress or how to deal with someone who is not even a part-time Master...

*broken heart* ravenblade


Hmm, sorry to hear about your misfortune, ravenblade.

Reread what you wrote above. Now, ask yourself if you know what you want. You might have a dud of a Master, but you also might have lost your own focus. You are seeking polar opposite directions above. One is going to lead you back to your Master, one will not.

You might want to talk with your Master about these feelings. You also might want to step back for a short time and explore your own internal directions too.

Either way, be good,
Kurt

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RE: Disappointed with Couch Potato Master - 6/22/2004 4:56:11 PM   
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I guess you can say I want to give my Couch Potato Master a chance...I enjoyed serving him however disappointing it was and had hoped that in serving him I would be able to help him learn how to be a better Master but it's difficult when he seems to only want to go for the thrill and not truly be a Master....

I know that I'm very strong willed and I've begged him on my hands and knees many times to break me so I can serve him but he seemed to get the thrill for a few minutes then loses interest....It really becomes disappointing when I find myself dominating him instead..

I guess you can say in my heart, I have the heart of a Mistress and not a slave and I should be looking for a slave of my own...but oh the pleasure of submitting and serving a Master...Lol..I guess I just needed to talk it out loud and deal with the sadness of that lost...Lol

I don't want to give up hope on my Master however much a dud he is...
Lol..but I know I may have to face the direction of either finding a new Master to serve or becoming a Mistress....I'm glad that I have those like you who can listen and understand.

When I began my service with him it was with high hopes that he will punish and pleasure me and teach me how to be a good slave.....but the disappointments...It was like it was more for instant gratification and then he'll act like nothing ever happen...or he'll go to far and just publiclly humilate me and that was it...Talk about being a disappointed slave....Come to think of it...as I type this...I think I may just have to find a new Master....one who takes his role seriously and who takes having a slave seriously.....

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RE: Disappointed with Couch Potato Master - 6/22/2004 4:56:36 PM   
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Ravenblade,
I have to agree with autumn's sentiments. You are choosing two completely different paths. Nothing wrong with that ordinarily. Although, you never say you had switch tendancies to begin with. You only wanted to be his 24/7 slave.
Some soul searching definately couldn't hurt. Also I cannot stress enough. Communication. I know you've probably heard it before, but it is so important. Perhaps your Master thinks he is doing all he can? I don't know, I'm merely taking a stab in the dark here.
Also, just speaking for myself here. I have a full time Dominant he does not force any submission on me. I give it freely. That's part of being in a relationship. It almost sounds like you want to top him from the bottom?

Maybe I'm mishearing here. Only you can answer that.

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RE: Disappointed with Couch Potato Master - 6/22/2004 5:03:05 PM   
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Unfortunately he isn't...I really think he is one of those couch potato masters who does it for the thrill but not the seriousness...Even when I gave him complete submission freely and told him I would even gladly sign a contract....he would be dis-interested and well....Lol...hanging with his friends was more interesting to him than being a Master...Lol

To be honest, I'm new to the master/slave experience and had only explored it because he expressed interest in it...but it's a case where I appear to be more interested in it than he is....I think for him, it's more of a thrill than something for him to really explore.

I've told him that if he wants to go further with me, he has to be geniunely interested, but then he backs off which says a lot there...but as usual..he would come back...It makes me wonder if perhaps deep down, he wants to be dominated...

I'm not sure if I understood and hoping I wasn't misreading..but do you think, sub4hire, that maybe I'm the one who wants to be the Dom in a relationship?? I know when my Master and I are together...I end up becoming his Mistress instead...talk about confusion having my Master call me his Mistress...when I yearn for him to dominant me.

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RE: Disappointed with Couch Potato Master - 6/22/2004 5:11:32 PM   
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hmmmm
ravenblade
dident you
have a contract
which stated
what you expected
out of a Master
and if you did and
if He broke it then
I suggest you move
on and stop moaning
and groaning about
what has not worked
for you in your mind.
It takes two to make
and brake a relationship
and if you are a slave
your words in My opinion
are totally out of order
however if you are a sub
it is to be expected for
you to bitch and moan but
your destiny is choosen
by you hence if you are
where its not what you want
thats your fault for being there
as you are an adult sub with
choice but the way I look at
it you seem to want to play
the Switch card and what I see
is sumone whom hasent a clue
what THEY ARE ABOUT hence
might of made their selfs
out to be more then what they
were and the Master is simply
reacting to what He thought He
was getting as well. Your crying
and moaning here are falling
on deaf ears for you get what
you bargined for I feel and its
with in your power to change it
and no one elses here. Disrespecting
a Dominant only shows your own
short commings or is that cummings.

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RE: Disappointed with Couch Potato Master - 6/22/2004 5:15:56 PM   
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Actually no contract was ever signed detailing anything....and what was worse was that majority of the time..I was the Dom in the party and he was the Sub/Slave.

Personally, I prefer other and not the Dom role...I agree with sub4hire..It was probrably a case of lack of communication...The way my Master acted...I think he wanted to be the one dominated from the way he would beg and plead with me....Sigh...

I think a new Master or be just learning the role of Mistress is what's going to be in order....Hard to be a slave when the Master is at the slave's feet.

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RE: Disappointed with Couch Potato Master - 6/22/2004 5:17:50 PM   
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ravenblade this not too uncommon exeperince youa re going through with the master you meet. That is why so many slaves and sub will go on line to seek out what they are not getting from their own Masters who have changed or all talk and no show. The thing you need to figure out that you desire to serve and since your master is not giving you what you need is the relationship working then.

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RE: Disappointed with Couch Potato Master - 6/22/2004 5:30:04 PM   
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*whew* that'a relief...It's actually ironic...I had never pursue the idea until I met,well to shorten it, my CPM (Hard to keep writing Couch Potato Master all the time)...He and I would talk about it during our early relationship and he would keep asking me if I was sure I wanted to get into this and if I understood what I was getting to and etc. etc....

He would told me he had always thought about pursuing a Master/Slave relationship and couldn't find anyone willing, etc. etc. and I told him I was up to it since I had never thought or pursued it...

Talk about irony when I was looking forward to being his Sub/Slave 24/7 like he promise and it has turned into the opposite...

He actually left and yet kept coming back...I've finally told him...If he is serious that I'm not playing and I'm pursuing it, but that he had to decide how serious he was...He kept saying he was very serious, that he was my Master etc. etc. yet I wouldn't hear from him sometimes for a week and then he would turn up and end up submitting/becoming my slave...It was causing a huge role confusion being his Mistress yet he wanted me to be his Slave...

Lol..Up till now I didn't know who to talk to and he has shown every signs of really not understanding what a Master was...I was actually the one having to teach him!!

I began to realize I had a CPM so I just wanted to 1. make sure that I was not misunderstanding the Master/Slave relationship and 2. deal with the fact that I was playing Mistress more than slave/sub.

After talking to all of you hear...I realized that I have not a Master but someone who wants to dabble but not be serious....My CPM is all talk and no show...Even when he is not being my Master, he likes to brag but then runs when confronted...Sigh...I had hope as his willing Slave I could find ways to help him...but as I looked at the relationship I have..I've realized that in reality I'm more of his Mistress than his Slave...

The overall theme of our relationship, he has had me dominated him more than him dominate me save in talk.....He would always talk the talk but sigh...no show...

Scorpio...Sub...Mistress...thank you all for helping me realize this...Pending a miracle..I think my path may be as a Mistress...Even now as I typed..he called and asked about me dominating him yet demanded I call him Master...a difficult task when he is at my feet...

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Signs of a Good Master - 6/22/2004 5:31:23 PM   
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What do I need to do to find a good Master should I go that route?? Can you tell I need to be taught and trained??

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RE: Signs of a Good Master - 6/22/2004 6:11:36 PM   
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you need a whole lot more then training and teaching
you need to learn for your self what it is you truly seek.
and it is with you that I see the short commings because
raven how can you sit there and judge that which you
have no experiance at???I call that being a hypocrit.

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RE: Signs of a Good Master - 6/22/2004 6:38:22 PM   
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You should do nothing other than be true to yourself. Know who you are and what you seek out of life.

Your future Master is not going to want someone trained by someone else. They are going to have their own techniques they want to teach you. A good Master will anyway. Its much harder to unteach someone then teach them again. Than to teach them in the first place. Just don't be wishy washy when it comes down to who you are. That would only aggrivate anyone.

Above all else READ. Everything you can lay your hands on. Watch people. Go to munches. Just keep in mind what is one person's way does not need to be your way. We are all individuals here. When you find your Master the two of you will be a couple. You won't be a huge couple with the rest of the world. So, do what is best for you.

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RE: Signs of a Good Master - 6/22/2004 7:26:00 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ravenblade

What do I need to do to find a good Master should I go that route?? Can you tell I need to be taught and trained??


I see a cascade of problems here. Perhaps it will help to break down the problems and once anatomized look at each on their own.

Something changed-
CPM is not what he portrayed? Or did you lovingly gave him too much credit and read into him more than what was there. Sit back and ask yourself if he is the same as when you first became involved with him. Did he change or did you?

If it was him that changed than there is hope. Try and see what drove his desires early in the relationship. Why did he Dominate you. What is different today than back then? Often Doms are in it for the challenge. If you became too willing they suddenly loose interest. If you beg for someone to take you submission you are begging the wrong person. It will cheapen the gift and that is not your fault, it is theirs. Anyone worth their weight in salt desires your submission as much as you desire their control. Once that balance is off, the exchange of the gifts becomes a lopsided equation and so does the D/s relationship. A Dom is not always going to tell you that, in fact, part of their gift can often be feigned indifference to your gift. Here is why D/s is for couples and not for players, because it takes that level of intimacy to have the exchange. (I know, I know, it sounds like the cliché situation that men get so upset about, when a woman expects us to just ‘know’ something… but c’est la vie)

But as I have always thought, a submissive cannot push with the rope, only pull. If he is only a weekend-Dom, there is not much that can be done. A submissive will never force her Dom into something that is not already in his heart/mind. And even if by some miracle she was able to, it would be fake, shallow and would end the moment she stopped applying the force, energy and effort. There is a reason that Doms are few and far between – it takes that effort. It takes creativity. It takes self-esteem. It takes time and energy. It can be nurtured by a submissive, but it cannot be grown in a fallow field.

Reading through your replies though, I think you have perhaps changed more than him. He might never have been what you desire today. But it was enough for you at the beginning. It is perhaps the most common tale from submissives, they outgrow their Masters. This is partially the subs fault and partially the Doms. Over time, subs tend to loose more and more of their inhibitions and the danger/romance/risk whatever drew them to D/s in the first place seems to effect them less and less. The lessening of the effect is because they have become used to the sensation. Like a drug or a roller coaster it takes more, higher, faster to stimulate them to that same extent. The limits that subs have inplace when starting their journey into D/s stretch faster and farther than the ones held by most Doms.

It is up to the Dom to slowly introduce new and creative adventures into the relationship. Reruns just wont cut it in D/s. As a Dom, I have hard and fast rules that I will not break. I will not bend and I will not exceed. If I were foolish enough to reach those with a sub too quickly, it is my own fault that she seeks more. New and exciting is a concept for all great lovers, vanilla or dark.

Now comes the part I have been avoiding. raven, I don’t think you should make any major choices until you know your own desires. (Here is a 55-gallon drum of worms I am opening) I don’t believe that a person is in their heart-and-soul a switch. I am not a person that speaks of ‘true’ Doms or subs. That ‘true’ concept is an elitist label from a vocal minority. Many of the leaders in a community are not speaking for the majority anyhow. But I do believe that a person is not a switch, they are just playing the role. Don’t get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with playing… forget the ‘true’ crap if two people are playing roles, who is anyone else to say that they are doing it wrong? But play doesn’t match up with your desire for 24/7. Nobody is going to be happy playing a lifestyle. I see a lot of soul searching in your future. I hope that this community and others can help you figure out your direction and bring you back into balance.

Be good,
Kurt

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RE: Signs of a Good Master - 6/22/2004 7:30:20 PM   
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Mistress Dread,
In this case..the same way I would call this as not about being a Master/Slave but about control and from what I'm picking up signs of possible abuse.

Just got off the phone with...I won't even call him a Master anymore...and let's just say...following my heart is the best call...The guy turn out to be just a player who wanted control...nothing in the healthy Master/Slave area either....

Not going to repeat what was in the phone conversation but I will say this..when I try to talk to him...I ended up calling his bluff and finding out some unsettling things that is making me glad that he was just a CPM.

This is someone who wanted something for free and something else. When I try to talk to him person to person...not Master/Slave or whatever...well...let's just say that I am seriously either learning if I need be on my own to be a Mistress or finding me a true Master...

He was anything but polite, communicative or within the boundries of a Master/Slave relationship...Basically...he started to threaten me and tried to scare me...When I discuss that I was talking to others on this board and learning what a Master/Slave relationship was supposed to be...he got VERY VERY mad..and told me to shut up and that I didn't know how to be a slave...What he was telling me he wanted borderline on pure abuse...

I have too much respect for myself as a person and as a woman to put up with that...I'm willing to play slave..but what he wanted...well...It was something that was a little too dark.

I finally understand now why he was a CPM. I think he was even more than just a player..I think there was an underlying need for control and abuse and he was trying to find an outlet to use it.....

When I try to rationally talk to him about our relationship as a Master/Slave he became very agitated and upset to the point he became very angry and belligerant...This wasn't the actions of someone who was truly interested in being a Dom. I think he was trying to mask being a Master for something more darker.

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Distrubing phone call - 6/22/2004 7:40:38 PM   
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CPM is definetely not what he portrayed himself to be...someone who was truly interested in being a DOM wouldn't be as belligerent if not as lazy as he has been...He even went, "Whatever go find someone else." I told him, "I will".

I think what made him dominate me then was that it was a novelty...plus he inadvertantly gave away a clue when he accused me of not knowing what a Master was...Last I check..a Master does not intentional try to cause any form of harm to another person....

I picked up a strong clue that I think he has a different understanding and was in it for pure control masked as a Dom/Slave relationship. After having the conversation on the phone with him....I got the strong impression that this is more of a novelty for him than a true life calling...

I think in the right circumstances...I wouldn't have a problem with 24/7...but with him..instincts kept telling me something was off kilter...

Too many times I was able to dominate him and he reminded me too much of power hungry people who are in it for some form of compensation that they can't get other ways...

After I got offline and called him to try and have a heart and heart..he became very agitate and irritated that I was exploring and questioning...He kept asking me why couldn't I just shut up and except whatever he had to say...I have a problem when ppl try to force me to accept their form of reality when it doesn't borderline healthy.

The fact that he wasn't even seriously learning the Dom/Sub/Slave life was concerning me...basically...he was making up the rules as he saw it...It was a very eye opening phone call for me and it made me realized definetely what not to have in a Master or be in a Mistress...LOL

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Have outgrown - 6/22/2004 7:53:46 PM   
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I think I've not only outgrown...but I think he was probrably shocked I'm more serious about having a D/S relationship than he is...then again..we are talking about a CPM who brags about being a fashion victim...He dresses to impress...not because of himself but for others...He even pierced his ear because he figure it was "in style" then stop wearing the earring when it was no longer cool...sigh..

Lol...I need to explore and find out what I need and want...and if it's truly a Master or to be a Mistress

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RE: Have outgrown - 6/22/2004 8:25:32 PM   
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I agree with a lot of what folks had to say and I think AUtumn was pretty much dead on.

However I keep seeing you go from one end to the other:

Either I have to be the dominant or find another dominant.

Personally - off the cuff - it sounds like you may be a switch to some extent.

So I'd say this to you - don't force yourself into choosing one or the other, but allow yourself the freedmom to explore BOTH sides if you are truly drawn to both sides.

Don't limit yourself unless your soul says "I simply am not that, but I *am* this", but you find that you keep going back and forth - realize that's OKAY - and may simply be that you have a calling for *both* roles at various times.

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RE: Have outgrown - 6/22/2004 8:32:50 PM   
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I tend to go from one to another because basically and honestly...I'm still so new to this...I was introduced to this by someone who didn't take this as seriously as I thought they would...Until I met him...I wasn't involved with the D/S llifestyle or had thought about it...

It was a game for him...a novelty and he was looking for someone who was open to the thought...I think he didn't expect to find me more interested than he had expected...

For me...it's open a whole new side that I love and enjoy and I know that intimidates him...

I may be a Mistress or I maybe a Slave...You're right..I don't know...and it just happen that my first time was with someone who really didn't know what they were doing..but at least he help me get the courage to discover myself..I have to give the jerk credit on that level...LOL

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RE: Have outgrown - 6/22/2004 8:37:24 PM   
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I'm just so glad to have found this message board..It's sad that there are decoy Masters out there...

I wish I had a better Master who could be teaching me this rather than having to learn on my own.

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Relax, ravenblade - 6/22/2004 8:54:00 PM   
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Chill.

Or you'll jump into another relationship with someone you'll end up calling a jerk in a few weeks.


JMO,

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